What Are y’all hiring for?
Staffing Shortages
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Still nope. The solution is there's no such thing as unemployment. You get laid off, fine, ish happens, I understand that and I'm sympathetic. So you go to the Public Works Dept, and you get assigned a task to complete, and you get paid as soon as you're done. You can do that as long as you like, but it's on a day to day basis. You might be a garbage man one day, a painter the next, and an errand boy the day after that, but there are plenty of easy jobs (and plenty of out of work people) to get everything done.
You can't work one day because you have a job interview or two lined up? Great! That's the whole idea! You go get yourself a job, but you don't get paid because you didn't do any work. But it will pay off in the end when you get that full-time job.
THIS is what I don't understand. Why is it that a person making the minimum should be trying to raise a household of 4. You should be raising a household of one and probably even be having a roommate. That is what is wrong with this country. We have a generation that doesn't prepare themselves for their future and jump in and have kids and then complain to everyone else that they can't cut it. Prepare yourself. Grow your skillset, start earning a living wage and THEN start a family.
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Everything. Entry to senior level.
Want to hear some thing crazy, we are paying BDRs, very entry level roles that typically move into small business sales roles or marketing roles, packages of over than $70k and we still can’t get them or keep them. Another software company is offering $100k for the same role. Can you imagine a recent college grad making $75k-$100k and complaining about it. It happens every day.
Not to be the old man, but I made $29k in 04 when I got out of college and lucky about that because I knew people who made less.
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Certainly didn’t imagine this to be A 4 page thread but glad I asked. Many smart responses in here. Really good thread!
Not everyone is able to choose the situation into which they are placed in life. Even so, let’s assume you are married with 2 young children, high school diploma and technical skills training, wife has similar education. If your top earning potential is $15/hour, then another household wage earner (wife) at similar or less wages won’t even scratch the surface of child care for those two kids. Are you saying that people in this income bracket shouldn’t have a family? If I had waited until I was financially stable to start my family it would’ve never happened haha.
Again, single person at $15/hour is just over 50% of the average median income for Greenville county. And that’s from 2020 which doesn’t account for about 20% inflation. This is a real problem for many.
I shoujd get two of my favorite Econ professors from the 80s on here and do a little explaining…just entry level 101 stuff.
140k? good lawd that's nuts. I'm going to start blogging about something, haha.
Yeah, I have a good friend teaching high school, who as long as I've known her has enjoyed teaching. But, with the way things are now, she's getting to the point of being miserable with it, and she's a hippie- laid back art teacher at a nice high school. Can only imagine the morale at some of these dumpy schools.
It speaks to the depth of the question. I’ve read every response. Great insight. Very complex situation we have here.
Unemployment is at just under 3.7 percent, just shy of the high of 3.5 for the last fifty years. Kind of mind boggling. It seems that the really "bust ass" jobs are hurting at finding employment. I would like to see what trade school and community college enrollment is doing. Maybe some are getting retrained so they can get a better job, and maybe the older folks decided that life is too short.
The labor participation rate is about a percent below where it was right before the pandemic, but had been increasing over Trumps term which had not happened in the last couple of decades.
First of all some back story here.
I'm an IT guy and since I do some maintenance at night after business hours, I have an office at home that has an identical setup. When COVID hit and the University shut down, I lost about 20 mins of work... The time it took me to leave the office, drive back home, and start working again. And since I'm salaried anyway, I guess I really didn't lose anything. Over two years later, I'm still working from home. I'm pretty old and have always had good jobs with benefits and expectations that I should work 40 hours a week. I try and get in somewhere around 45. When something breaks or we have a crunch time situation, I work as many hours as I need to to get the job done. I've turned down a lot of potential jobs over the years with higher salaries b/c there's an expectation that you work 50+ hours a week. And there's nothing wrong with a business expecting that if they are up front about those expectations. But personally, I don't see it as an improved salary if I'm making 50% more and working 60 hours a week. I'm simply working longer hours and getting more money because I'm working more. So in short I take my job seriously and try to give good value for a good salary, make no mistake about it... I work to live, I do not live to work.
Here's what I think is going on and this is totally my personal observations: I know a good many folks (my wife included) that are what I would call "workaholics". In spite of the name, I don't consider it a bad thing. Folks like this pour themselves into their work and generally perform exceptionally well. A lot of their self worth comes from their satisfaction with their jobs and doing a really good job above and beyond what's expected of them. NOTHING wrong with that. Now that COVID is (mostly) in the rear view window, about 1/2 of those folks are back in the office and it's business as usual. BUT about 1/2 of them really had something of an epiphany (including my wife). Sitting at home watching lots of people die kind of put things in perspective for them. They say that they realized that they'd rather be spending that time with their family and have less money than working long hours at something that they don't even love doing and chasing promotions and more money.
Now these are not hourly workers... this is a solid white collar group, but couldn't that apply to hourly workers as well. Kind of like, I didn't like this job when I was doing it for $9 an hour and I STILL don't like it now that I'm making $15 an hour. I'm going to try and find or do something different or maybe I just won't work the number of hours that I did. If I don't like this job, I'll just move on to the next one.
I'm an IT guy and since I do some maintenance at night after business hours, I have an office at home that has an identical setup. When COVID hit and the University shut down, I lost about 20 mins of work... The time it took me to leave the office, drive back home, and start working again. And since I'm salaried anyway, I guess I really didn't lose anything. Over two years later, I'm still working from home. I'm pretty old and have always had good jobs with benefits and expectations that I should work 40 hours a week. I try and get in somewhere around 45. When something breaks or we have a crunch time situation, I work as many hours as I need to to get the job done. I've turned down a lot of potential jobs over the years with higher salaries b/c there's an expectation that you work 50+ hours a week. And there's nothing wrong with a business expecting that if they are up front about those expectations. But personally, I don't see it as an improved salary if I'm making 50% more and working 60 hours a week. I'm simply working longer hours and getting more money because I'm working more. So in short I take my job seriously and try to give good value for a good salary, make no mistake about it... I work to live, I do not live to work.
Here's what I think is going on and this is totally my personal observations: I know a good many folks (my wife included) that are what I would call "workaholics". In spite of the name, I don't consider it a bad thing. Folks like this pour themselves into their work and generally perform exceptionally well. A lot of their self worth comes from their satisfaction with their jobs and doing a really good job above and beyond what's expected of them. NOTHING wrong with that. Now that COVID is (mostly) in the rear view window, about 1/2 of those folks are back in the office and it's business as usual. BUT about 1/2 of them really had something of an epiphany (including my wife). Sitting at home watching lots of people die kind of put things in perspective for them. They say that they realized that they'd rather be spending that time with their family and have less money than working long hours at something that they don't even love doing and chasing promotions and more money.
Now these are not hourly workers... this is a solid white collar group, but couldn't that apply to hourly workers as well. Kind of like, I didn't like this job when I was doing it for $9 an hour and I STILL don't like it now that I'm making $15 an hour. I'm going to try and find or do something different or maybe I just won't work the number of hours that I did. If I don't like this job, I'll just move on to the next one.
I dont think the fifty year plan included a pandemic. lol. Our economy is a post pandemic, post lockdown economy. I am surprised we got back to operating as quickly as we did but we still have a long ways to go. People just got used to not working or working from home. Developed new habits.
It was fairly static under Trump prior to Covid. Look at the 10 year view.
United States Labor Force Participation Rate
Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 62.50 percent in December. This page provides the latest reported value for - United States Labor Force Participation Rate - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-term forecast and long-term prediction...
tradingeconomics.com
But you’re right in that it has not rebounded. I wonder how many jobs 1% translates to…..1.6 million?
We tried to put together a crew to renovate our new lake house. ALl that showed up was a bunch of white boy ex/cons. Made a mess of the house , pulled bogus permits, little carpentry skills, just complete frauds. Finally found a whit guy with four mexicans and they are doing a A1 job. These mexicans will work and the women will cook and their daughters drive me in my cadillac . We need more immigrants. White boys cant keep up with them mexican boys and white girsl wont cook and drive.
Yeah, that bold part is just not true. Real wages were increasing at a substantial rate during Trumps term until the pandemic hit. See below:
Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over
Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q3 2024 about full-time, salaries, workers, earnings, 16 years +, wages, median, real, employment, and USA.
fred.stlouisfed.org
It went up about .5% under his term up until the pandemic. While that is not a huge number, it is the first time it had gone up during a presidential term in 20+ yrs. I think 1.6M is probably pretty close. I think the labor market is roughly half the population.It was fairly static under Trump prior to Covid. Look at the 10 year view.
United States Labor Force Participation Rate
Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 62.50 percent in December. This page provides the latest reported value for - United States Labor Force Participation Rate - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-term forecast and long-term prediction...
But you’re right in that it has not rebounded. I wonder how many jobs 1% translates to…..1.6 million?
Okay, here is a possible explanation. When someone that has normally participated in the workforce first goes on unemployment, two things happen. One, they feel some shame/embarrassment for not being able to support themselves. Secondly, they have to adjust their lifestyle to fit their income as best they can. They now have to focus on needs rather than needs and wants.
I'll relate it to a really bad haircut. The first few days are terrible bc people are seeing you for the first time. However, it gets much easier after the initial shame wears off. Once all your friends and relatives know you are getting assistance, it becomes less embarrassing. The second component of this is the simple desire to support yourself. This lasts after the initial embarrassment wears off. Over time, however, this is slowly eroded along with some of your self worth. At the same time, you grow accustomed to not having all the things you want and worked so hard to be able to provide. Now you no longer require the same income to maintain the same level of self satisfaction and are no longer ashamed(at least to a much lesser level) about receiving govt assistance.
Once this point is reached, many feel comfortable taking lesser jobs or working less hours and getting other forms of assistance(food stamps/snap for example) so they have just enough to get bye when they would never have accepted that lot in life prior. To me, this is the main reason we should make getting and staying on assistance programs more difficult. I'm not saying this happens in all cases, but we are ruining peoples self esteem and sense of worth by enabling many to get/keep assistance they don't have to have.
I have read enough. We weren't prepared for this virus originating in a communist controlled country who treat people like the dirt you find once you've shoveled out the first layer of dirt. That is a Communistic Society. If y'all don't think this is the Nü WahhrMethööd, welcome to 2022. iPhones, Biometrics, location services, and viral loads are the new bullets. It's coming. Covid probes
Steve Jobs worshippers can come on down and turn in your badge. Don't get me started. There are consequences to giving a voice to people who do not understand how their words are changed to fit specific agendas
Steve Jobs worshippers can come on down and turn in your badge. Don't get me started. There are consequences to giving a voice to people who do not understand how their words are changed to fit specific agendas
I'm lost as to your point as it relates to that chart. Of course the workforce was less during the pandemic, but is is 2M+ more now than 4 yrs ago.
20$ an hour jobs are a dime a dozen these days. People need to wake up and realize that isn’t a lot of money anymore. Highest bidder wins! Covid somehow someway exposed this….
I blame companies for rewarding CEOs, vp and upper management with all these big pay jobs and perks. These individuals then turn around and shat on the ones who actually get things done (your avg joe). I personally believe the work force has caught on. Greed has caught up to corporate America.
I blame companies for rewarding CEOs, vp and upper management with all these big pay jobs and perks. These individuals then turn around and shat on the ones who actually get things done (your avg joe). I personally believe the work force has caught on. Greed has caught up to corporate America.
When Covid hit the gov declared a lockdown. Of course some things still had to get done so they said the "essential" workers had to keep working while the non essential workers didn't. Then the essential workers looked around and ask why if we are so essential then why are we some of the lowest paid people in the country? The risk of Covid were still largely unknown. Maybe they were putting their lives at risk. Almost none got any extra pay for doing their jobs either.
Meanwhile if you just had a regular job you got unemployment pay plus a fed check that usually was worth a lot more than your job paid and you didn't even have to look for a job. Sit home and watch Netflix all day. Office workers and jobs like teaching got full pay and benefits and never had to leave home. But they still needed the things the essential workers provided. Food, fuel, police, hospital, ems, and the like. Things like this left a bad taste in many and they never looked at their jobs the same again. Most still have to work to survive but it will be at a higher wage. Don't expect workers to be loyal to their jobs anymore either.
Meanwhile if you just had a regular job you got unemployment pay plus a fed check that usually was worth a lot more than your job paid and you didn't even have to look for a job. Sit home and watch Netflix all day. Office workers and jobs like teaching got full pay and benefits and never had to leave home. But they still needed the things the essential workers provided. Food, fuel, police, hospital, ems, and the like. Things like this left a bad taste in many and they never looked at their jobs the same again. Most still have to work to survive but it will be at a higher wage. Don't expect workers to be loyal to their jobs anymore either.
If you have training above a high school diploma, your top earnings potential is not $15/hr right now in Greenville. As for the family aspect there is a good deal of room between not being able to meet a kids basic needs financially and being financially stable, imo. If having a family is important to you, I see nothing wrong with you having to live below your desired lifestyle level. Nothing wrong with having to eat sandwiches and ramen noodles instead of going through the drive through at Chick fila. Save up and buy 15 yr old Toyota corollas and get rid of two car payments. Work alternant shifts to reduce/eliminate day care needs.
Sadly our manufacturing plant has done this as well. About 1700 employees and only a hundred or so are eligible for the "perfect attendance" bonus. Sad state.
in todays labor market $15/hr is equivalent to minimum wage
small businesses are going to have to double and triple their wages to keep up with the inflation from pre to post covid.
I have personally tried to bring in kitchen help $17-$20 an hour and thats not enough,
$20-$25 an hour might be the new floor for putting the democrats in power.
but it is what it is.
small businesses are going to have to double and triple their wages to keep up with the inflation from pre to post covid.
I have personally tried to bring in kitchen help $17-$20 an hour and thats not enough,
$20-$25 an hour might be the new floor for putting the democrats in power.
but it is what it is.
That was exactly my point in response to a post about everyone sitting at home on entitlements. It’s simply not the case.
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This all boils down to the American dream has changed. The American dream was if you were smart enough and willing to work hard enough you could accomplish anything here.
Now it's how can I sit at home do little or nothing and get paid enough to live.
The liberals are currently working on. How can I sit at home do nothing and get paid equally with the engineers, doctors, etc. They have the bright idea that everyone is equal, but they aren't.
All men may be created equal, but there is separation shortly after birth
Now it's how can I sit at home do little or nothing and get paid enough to live.
The liberals are currently working on. How can I sit at home do nothing and get paid equally with the engineers, doctors, etc. They have the bright idea that everyone is equal, but they aren't.
All men may be created equal, but there is separation shortly after birth
As posted earlier in the thread, unemployment payments, etc are back to pre pandemic levels. The stimulus checks amounted to a couple months rent. There hasn’t been a Covid related unemployment benefit paid in over a year.
Here’s what’s happening: the largest demographic cohort in American history has been at or near retirement age for a decade now but not retiring at normal rates due to losses on retirement portfolios sustained in 2007-2009. Those people were/are occupying the higher paid positions in many companies and now they’re retiring. This creates a vacuum at the top and big opportunity for everyone below them. This wave of retirements has hit my sector (engineering) hard and it’s been pretty common for mid careers like me in our 30’s to see 30-50% wage increases over the last year with the right job change.
It’s not that people don’t want to work. It’s that there’s more open jobs than there are people and folks are able to be selective and a lot of jobs simply are not attractive or haven’t kept up with reality in terms of compensation. $15/hour is a good wage for a service sector worker but if they can go get an entry level clerk job that has long term career progression prospects and pays $20, the reason they aren’t bussing your tables isn’t because they’re lazy.
No where close to 400,000…assuming all people who were 18-65 were working which we know isn’t the case it would be around 250k. That’s not near enough to put the struggle that we are seeing on the work force. Of that 250k I’m sure there is a large percentage that were unhealthy and had other underlying conditions. Probably some that had people unable to work.
The scary part is how much the healthcare industry has been crippled both with supplies and staff.
The deaths “related” to COVID have not hindered the work force. Sorry that’s just rainbows and unicorns.
COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics
Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.
www.cdc.gov
Unless they were forcibly raped, then yes they do. You don't do some other stuff in life until you are ready. Children should definitely be at the top of that list. Don't rely on someone else to raise YOUR children.
Stay tuned. The upcoming recession, food shortage and energy shortage will be fun. But hey! At least we have competent leadership in Washington and the press secretary is a black lesbian, so that's good.
We have all genders and races covered! Bland no more mean tweets
A good start would be to get government out of peoples lives, quit pumping money into the economy and re-start American energy production.
