Terrible story, a beautiful young lady in 5 Points

[MBTiger23]

Hyperbole?

Simple question...was it a good idea for her to get in a car, with a stranger, alone?

Better than walking back to the dorms by herself which was her other option. Uber should be safe and she made a mistake by getting into the wrong car. It's not like the young black male waved her down and said hop in the back seat. She thought she was getting in a sober, safe ride home.

 

[Chefkdh]

She was in Five Points, she was drunk, got separated from her friends, tried to call an Uber to get home safe and was preyed on.

She was actually trying “risk management”

No one knows how she got separated from her friends. Did they leave her, did she leave them? No one knows the facts. You are stating that she didn’t do a good job keeping herself safe which is pointing the finger directly at her...sorry but regardless she was doing things that every college kid does. She probably goes to Five Points multiple times a week and has probably Ubered home on multiple occasions. But now some on here are talking about what she could have done better instead of what the asshole did to her

That’s pretty fvcked up honestly

Look at it this way: focusing on punishing or hating the criminal doesn’t help the next person. You can only prevent it from happening again by focusing on what she could have done better to avoid it. A murderer is gonna be a murderer, not many ways to avoid that.

Now if you want to discuss rape culture then we can focus more on the predator

 

[Chefkdh]

I travel for business and women I know get into Ubers alone all the time. Same with cabs. Been happening for years and years!! This is not new

Hell I Uber almost weekly and so do most people in my industry...male and female

In your industry are these women drunk off their ass at 2am? I’m not referring to sober females taking a regular uber. If this girl was sober is very likely she would have recognized it wasn’t the right vehicle.

 

[nmerritt11]

Look at it this way: focusing on punishing or hating the criminal doesn’t help the next person. You can only prevent it from happening again by focusing on what she could have done better to avoid it. A murderer is gonna be a murderer, not many ways to avoid that.

Now if you want to discuss rape culture then we can focus more on the predator

So yes you’re pointing the finger at her...”focus on what she could have done better”

May as well make college dry towns because college kids do this same thing every single night! So do business people! So do the average American...people get drunk and call Uber and Cabs every single night by the minute.

Sorry man...we are just gonna disagree here. You are obviously saying her death was because she made a mistake rather than an evil person preyed on a college kidnout having a good time

 

[nmerritt11]

In your industry are these women drunk off their ass at 2am? I’m not referring to sober females taking a regular uber. If this girl was sober is very likely she would have recognized it wasn’t the right vehicle.

Often times women are over served and are intoxicated. Yes most of the time someone assures they are in an Uber safe but that doesn’t mean bad things cannot happen.

 

[Tiger1031]

Five points isn’t a good area, but my point was that it could happen anywhere

It COULD happen anywhere, but the odds of it happening there are astronomically higher than other places that are more safe. Take it as you will, but it is what it is .

 

[Trading Tiger]

Uber should be safe and she made a mistake by getting into the wrong car.

We are in full agreement.

 

[Chefkdh]

Often times women are over served and are intoxicated. Yes most of the time someone assures they are in an Uber safe but that doesn’t mean bad things cannot happen.

Fully agree. And that situation would be just as tragic. Crossing off the caution checklist doesn’t make it any more tragic

 

[bcrown320]

It COULD happen anywhere, but the odds of it happening there are astronomically higher than other places that are more safe. Take it as you will, but it is what it is .

Agreed. Still stand by that it has nothing to do with USC. Very unfortunate that a college’s bar scene isn’t a good area of town, and that’s what makes it more likely. But theoretically anywhere that has uber could have this happen

 

[nmerritt11]

Fully agree. And that situation would be just as tragic. Crossing off the caution checklist doesn’t make it any more tragic

I just feel too many people are placing the blame on her not being responsible enough rather than the asshole being a predator. She didn’t do anything wrong. Drinking legally and making an attempt to go home safely without driving

That’s what most people ask of their kids. Now this thread shows people will say “well she shouldn’t have been there” or “her friends shoulda done better” or “if she wouldn’t have got so drunk” or “if she wouldn’t have left her friends” etc

If...if...if...

She was the victim and is makes me sick people will sit behind a keyboard and say that she should’ve done better as she lays dead and her family grieves

 

[Chefkdh]

I just feel too many people are placing the blame on her not being responsible enough rather than the asshole being a predator. She didn’t do anything wrong. Drinking legally and making an attempt to go home safely without driving

That’s what most people ask of their kids. Now this thread shows people will say “well she shouldn’t have been there” or “her friends shoulda done better” or “if she wouldn’t have got so drunk” or “if she wouldn’t have left her friends” etc

If...if...if...

She was the victim and is makes me sick people will sit behind a keyboard and say that she should’ve done better as she lays dead and her family grieves

I feel it comes off as “she should have” when most people really mean “if only she had”. At least I hope anyways

 

[Tiger1031]

I just feel too many people are placing the blame on her not being responsible enough rather than the asshole being a predator. She didn’t do anything wrong. Drinking legally and making an attempt to go home safely without driving

That’s what most people ask of their kids. Now this thread shows people will say “well she shouldn’t have been there” or “her friends shoulda done better” or “if she wouldn’t have got so drunk” or “if she wouldn’t have left her friends” etc

If...if...if...

She was the victim and is makes me sick people will sit behind a keyboard and say that she should’ve done better as she lays dead and her family grieves

I get that and I agree. It’s a crappy world we live in.

 

[Earle36]

I feel like the girl, would admit she made a mistake, by being intoxicated. I’m not blaming her, young people and older folks make mistakes all the time. Unfortunately, this cost her, due to evil in this world.

 

[ForzaTigre]

How should a girl get home by herself, then? The only irresponsible thing she did was not check that she was getting into the right car. A woman taking an uber by themselves isn’t really a problem.

You don’t. Jesus Christ man. You never ever get in any vehicle by yourself as a female if you don’t know them. And at 2am? How dumb can you be?

 

[nsp1996]

It's a dangerous world out there. This isn't the Matrix or some other Hollywood fantasy. In our real-life universe, no normal female will be have a good chance of survival against an adult male who is intent on killing her. Fact. Laws, Religion and Social norms are what keeps women from being subjugated by men. However even though that works for most of us, murderers and rapists don't care about all that.

So sad that she made a mistake and didn't check that it was her correct ride, so sad that her friends didn't do that for her... and she happened to run into one of those people in our society that doesn't care about human life.

Not to blame her... But was she aware of her own vulnerability? Was she taught?

Edit: I'm the parent of boys.... but wow.. what a challenge to parent girls... empower them, but still give them the reality that they are physically vulnerable... god bless you parents. So sad.

 

[Clemblack]

It's a dangerous world out there. This isn't the Matrix or some other Hollywood fantasy. In our real-life universe, no normal female will be have a good chance of survival against an adult male who is intent on killing her. Fact. Laws, Religion and Social norms are what keeps women from being subjugated by men. However even though that works for most of us, murderers and rapists don't care about all that.

So sad that she made a mistake and didn't check that it was her correct ride, so sad that her friends didn't do that for her... and she happened to run into one of those people in our society that doesn't care about human life.

Not to blame her... But was she aware of her own vulnerability? Was she taught?

Bro, she did something thousands of women do every day. She was a college student. This could have been your family member. The person who wasn't taught here was the killer.

What is wrong with people ITT?

 

[nsp1996]

Bro, she did something thousands of women do every day. She was a college student. This could have been your family member. The person who wasn't taught here was the killer.

What is wrong with people ITT?

Yes. My female family member checks the licence plate of every uber she gets in. She also doen't get in ubers drunk a 2am. So no, it could not have been my family member. Try again.

 

[Clemblack]

Yes. My female family member checks the licence plate of every uber she gets in. She also doen't get in ubers drunk a 2am. So no, it could not have been my family member. Try again.

Well I'm happy to hear your female family member is impervious to uber murder. But you're victim blaming, no matter how you slice it.

 

[casellers84]

Yes. My female family member checks the licence plate of every uber she gets in. She also doen't get in ubers drunk a 2am. So no, it could not have been my family member. Try again.

We’re all glad you can ride your high horse on a message board. That’s obviously important here.

 

[nsp1996]

Well I'm happy to hear your female family member is impervious to uber murder. But you're victim blaming, no matter how you slice it.

Lol. Try again, snowflake. Just stating facts. I have a female family member... she always checks the licence plates of her ubers... and she's not getting into ubers drunk at 2am w/o checking the licence plates. Not impervious to murder... but not getting murdered by this guy.

 

[OrangeRegalia]

It's a dangerous world out there. This isn't the Matrix or some other Hollywood fantasy. In our real-life universe, no normal female will be have a good chance of survival against an adult male who is intent on killing her. Fact. Laws, Religion and Social norms are what keeps women from being subjugated by men. However even though that works for most of us, murderers and rapists don't care about all that.

So sad that she made a mistake and didn't check that it was her correct ride, so sad that her friends didn't do that for her... and she happened to run into one of those people in our society that doesn't care about human life.

Not to blame her... But was she aware of her own vulnerability? Was she taught?

Edit: I'm the parent of boys.... but wow.. what a challenge to parent girls... empower them, but still give them the reality that they are physically vulnerable... god bless you parents. So sad.

You’re pathetic.

 

[nsp1996]

We’re all glad you can ride your high horse on a message board. That’s obviously important here.

Not obvious to me. Help me out, please.

 

[OrangeRegalia]

Yes. My female family member checks the licence plate of every uber she gets in. She also doen't get in ubers drunk a 2am. So no, it could not have been my family member. Try again.

Posted too soon. Edited post above: You’re ****ing pathetic.

 

[nsp1996]

You’re pathetic.

You're super intelligent... as displayed by your response.

 

[OrangeRegalia]

You're super intelligent... as displayed by your response.

I’ve stated my peace on this earlier in the thread. Now I’m just here to say what I said.

 

[nsp1996]

Posted too soon. Edited post above: You’re ****ing pathetic.

Please explain why I am ****ing pathetic. Just trying to understand your thought process... if you have one.

 

[Poker_Tiger]

Agreed. Still stand by that it has nothing to do with USC. Very unfortunate that a college’s bar scene isn’t a good area of town, and that’s what makes it more likely. But theoretically anywhere that has uber could have this happen

Sorry - how does 5 points, the U of SC bar scene, not have anything to do with U of SC? Does down town Clemson's bar scene not have anything to do with Clemson University?

Yes, it COULD happen anywhere. It DID happen in 5 Points, as a LOT of bad stuff does.

 

[ForzaTigre]

Bro, she did something thousands of women do every day. She was a college student. This could have been your family member. The person who wasn't taught here was the killer.

What is wrong with people ITT?

Completely agree with him. She made a huge mistake. As a female you just don’t get into a strangers car by yourself at 2am. A 9 year old knows that.

Not sure why you struggle to see that.

 

[cuandcofcfan]

Five points isn’t a good area, but my point was that it could happen anywhere

Much more likely to happen at five points then almost every are in SC.

 

[BroMontana]

You don’t. Jesus Christ man. You never ever get in any vehicle by yourself as a female if you don’t know them. And at 2am? How dumb can you be?

Completely agree with him. She made a huge mistake. As a female you just don’t get into a strangers car by yourself at 2am. A 9 year old knows that.

Not sure why you struggle to see that.

Dude, you are being absolutely ridiculous. I’m just seriously wondering what you would have told her to do, as you haven’t offered any solutions ITT, just ridicule. You’re a 21 year old female, drunk in a bar scene and unable to find your friends.

To me, you have three options:

1) call a car service who is relied upon to be a sober solution to getting you home SAFELY, despite the fact that it’s a “stranger”
2) drive home wasted and risk her life and everyone else’s on the road
3) walk home on the streets of Columbia as a 21 year old wasted female

At that time, if she tried calling any other friends to pick her up, they would all likely either be sleeping or drunk themselves. So please, in all your infinite wisdom, tell me an actual SOLUTION as opposed to sitting behind your computer and pointing blame at an innocent girl who was just trying to get home safely.

 

[FranktheDank]

You don’t. Jesus Christ man. You never ever get in any vehicle by yourself as a female if you don’t know them. And at 2am? How dumb can you be?

I hope you were trolling here and this isn’t your true character shining through. An innocent 21 year old girl was murdered and you’re gonna call her dumb for it??
Maybe you’re the 1 perfect person on earth but I’ll speak for every other poster on this site and say that we have all done “dumber” things, drunk or sober, than mistakingly get into a car that resembled the Uber you called.

 

[mappleb]

You don’t. Jesus Christ man. You never ever get in any vehicle by yourself as a female if you don’t know them. And at 2am? How dumb can you be?

Hey, you and @nsp1996 are real pos for your posts ITT...just thought you needed to know that

 

[nsp1996]

Well I'm happy to hear your female family member is impervious to uber murder. But you're victim blaming, no matter how you slice it.

No I'm not. And you are intellectually deficient.

I never said that My female family member is impervious to uber murder. I did say that my female family member would never be a victim of this specific crime. She would never call an uber drunk at 2am . And she also ALWAYS checks the licence plate and the picture/description of the driver before she gets in... so no, this specific crime would have never happened to her.

I'm sorry, not sorry, if that offends you.

 

[nsp1996]

Hey, you and @nsp1996 are real pos for your posts ITT...just thought you needed to know that

Well you thought wrong.

Bottom line... is that this young lady made a mistake. And, unfortunately she made it and a predator got her. Many other people made mistakes that same night.. and got another chance. But, she did not. Women/Girls need to be careful. There is a big, big world outside whatever people think is their safe space... and in that big world, women are at a physical disadvantage when faced with male predators. The margin of error is very slim. Real life is not Hollywood.

A drunk female by herself, is a prime target. She didn't have a good enough sense of her own vulnerability.. neither did the "friends" that were out with her or they would have verified that uber before she got in. Better yet ... They/She would have adhered to the buddy rule and not gone anywhere alone.

Small knife for last ditch defence? Maybe she had one. If she did not... maybe that would have made the difference.

I'm sorry if all this conflicts with a worldview that everyone should be free to do anything, in any way that they want, any time. While I agree with that.. criminals don't care, and so that is not reality.

Sorry.