the "Save" Act

[moradatiger70]

Why would you be against this?

The bill requires state election officials to ask about citizenship before providing applicants with voter registration forms. It also requires an individual to provide proof of citizenship before registering to vote in federal elections, allows state officials to accept a variety of documents to make it easy for citizens to register to vote and provides states with access to a federal agency database in which they can remove noncitizens from voter rolls and confirm citizenship for those who lack proof.

The measure also directs the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to determine whether to begin removal proceedings of noncitizens who have been identified as having registered to vote in federal elections and requires DHS to notify state chief election officials when an individual has been naturalized, allowing them to exercise their new right to vote.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

Democrats only care about illegals getting them in here and give them money and Social Security and have them vote Democrat.

 

[moradatiger70]

Democrats only care about illegals getting them in here and give them money and Social Security and have them vote Democrat.

Their argument is that the SAVE Act is unnecessary because it is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections.

 

[iceheart08]

Why would you be against this?

The bill requires state election officials to ask about citizenship before providing applicants with voter registration forms. It also requires an individual to provide proof of citizenship before registering to vote in federal elections, allows state officials to accept a variety of documents to make it easy for citizens to register to vote and provides states with access to a federal agency database in which they can remove noncitizens from voter rolls and confirm citizenship for those who lack proof.

The measure also directs the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to determine whether to begin removal proceedings of noncitizens who have been identified as having registered to vote in federal elections and requires DHS to notify state chief election officials when an individual has been naturalized, allowing them to exercise their new right to vote.

I'm gonna give my honest answer. None of it is necessary and it's all just political bullshit. There is nothing in your writeup above that isn't already the case or being doing.

What situation is the first clause trying to prevent? It's not a requirement that the form ask about citizenship (it does), it's an extra question. The impact will be that nobody is handed voter registration forms. Less voter registration due to a stupid admin hurdle is bad.

"Requires an individual to provide proof of citizenship before registering". Again, redundant. The form asks for proof and then it's checked.

There are too many variables to removing people from voter rolls, too many human errors, too many details, for people to be given broad power to remove others from rolls without extensive verification. Currently there exists a waiting period to ensure that election officials don't just get it a wrong a bunch of screw up people's right to vote.

So, no, I wouldn't vote for that nonsense. It doesn't accomplish anything.

 

[iceheart08]

Democrats only care about illegals getting them in here and give them money and Social Security and have them vote Democrat.

This is objectively stupid

 

[fatpiggy]

Their argument is that the SAVE Act is unnecessary because it is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections.

If it is already illegal, then there should be no problem confirming as much.

 

[iceheart08]

If it is already illegal, then there should be no problem confirming as much.

You are right. Adding laws on top of laws is always a good thing. More laws is fantastic and will totally not lead to a bunch of unintended consequences.

 

[fatpiggy]

You are right. Adding laws on top of laws is always a good thing. More laws is fantastic and will totally not lead to a bunch of unintended consequences.

Democrats make laws to micro manage your life, down to making you have paper straws, getting shots, types of energy, how much water flow you can have. But God forbid we make a law to regulate and restore confidence in our elections.

 

[fatpiggy]

The Democrats excuse is it's too much regulation? This is where Democrats draw the line? LOL, no. They want the votes.

 

[moradatiger70]

You are right. Adding laws on top of laws is always a good thing. More laws is fantastic and will totally not lead to a bunch of unintended consequences.

This would be a law to certify that non-citizens cannot vote. Just an extra layer of security, you might call it. With such an important decision, don't you think every layer of security is a good thing?

The environment in the country has changed and the election integrity process needs to change with it, as we have done with other factions within this country.

Why would there be any sort of contention with this on either side? What would be your unintended consequences?

 

[dpic73]

The Democrats excuse is it's too much regulation? This is where Democrats draw the line? LOL, no. They want the votes.

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[fatpiggy]

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You are confusing Hispanics with illegal immigrants. As usual.

Many Hispanics (legal immigrants) come from socialist countries and vote Republican because they literally fled socialism.

Illegals are violating the law and democrats are more sympathetic to their causes.

 

[fatpiggy]

I'm gonna give my honest answer. None of it is necessary and it's all just political bullshit. There is nothing in your writeup above that isn't already the case or being doing.

What situation is the first clause trying to prevent? It's not a requirement that the form ask about citizenship (it does), it's an extra question. The impact will be that nobody is handed voter registration forms. Less voter registration due to a stupid admin hurdle is bad.

"Requires an individual to provide proof of citizenship before registering". Again, redundant. The form asks for proof and then it's checked.

There are too many variables to removing people from voter rolls, too many human errors, too many details, for people to be given broad power to remove others from rolls without extensive verification. Currently there exists a waiting period to ensure that election officials don't just get it a wrong a bunch of screw up people's right to vote.

So, no, I wouldn't vote for that nonsense. It doesn't accomplish anything.

Is elon wrong?

 

[dpic73]

You are confusing Hispanics with illegal immigrants. As usual.

Many Hispanics (legal immigrants) come from socialist countries and vote Republican because they literally fled socialism.

Illegals are violating the law and democrats are more sympathetic to their causes.

Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections. That's all

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Democrats make laws to micro manage your life, down to making you have paper straws, getting shots, types of energy, how much water flow you can have. But God forbid we make a law to regulate and restore confidence in our elections.

Are your examples not new laws/regulations?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

You are right. Adding laws on top of laws is always a good thing. More laws is fantastic and will totally not lead to a bunch of unintended consequences.

I would imagine they'll be fine with added cost in the budget, similar to the 87k IRS agents needed to answer the phones, etc.

 

[fatpiggy]

Is elon wrong?

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Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections. That's all

Is elon wrong?

 

[fatpiggy]

Are your examples not new laws/regulations?

Good reading comprehension. My point is why is it this new law where the democrats draw the line. They will micro-manage every detail of your life, but not voting. Don't attempt to regulate our elections to ensure their integrity.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Good reading comprehension. My point is why is it this new law where the democrats draw the line. They will micro-manage every detail of your life, but not voting. Don't attempt to regulate our elections to ensure their integrity.

Thank you. Didn't think I came in aggressive, but you do you.

I thought his point is things are already laws, and this just adds unnecessary red tape. Your point seemed to be that Democrats do the same thing. But your examples were new regulations. But I guess you were making a new point. My sincerest apologies.

 

[BlueRidgedf]

This is objectively stupid

 

[moradatiger70]

Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections. That's all

Thank you. Didn't think I came in aggressive, but you do you.

I thought his point is things are already laws, and this just adds unnecessary red tape. Your point seemed to be that Democrats do the same thing. But your examples were new regulations. But I guess you were making a new point. My sincerest apologies.

The Save act reassures this. It's a win-win.

I don't mind a little red tape for high-security issues, just like I don't mind some of the longer lines after we had to verify people do not carry weapons on an airplane. That was already a law, but we had to ensure it did not happen or do our BEST to make sure!

 

[UrHuckleberry]

The Save act reassures this. It's a win-win.

I don't mind a little red tape for high-security issues, just like I don't mind some of the longer lines after we had to verify people do not carry weapons on an airplane. That was already a law, but we had to ensure it did not happen or do our BEST to make sure!

If there is data I'm missing showing otherwise, I apologize. But we had pretty good evidence it was an issue with airplane security. This just feels like a manufactured issue to me. I haven't seen any evidence of illegals voting in elections being an issue in need of solving. So it feels to me like someone didn't like losing, so they searched for things to blame, combined it with a big political issue (immigration), and then now we're adding red tape to solve for this issue that didn't exist. Would generally think illegal immigrants would actually avoid things like voting where if caught they could be deported.

 

[dpic73]

Good reading comprehension. My point is why is it this new law where the democrats draw the line. They will micro-manage every detail of your life, but not voting. Don't attempt to regulate our elections to ensure their integrity.

Read Project 2025 if you want to talk about micro-managing.

 

[fatpiggy]

Read Project 2025 if you want to talk about micro-managing.

Trump denounced Project 2025. Strike that off your list of things to worry about and move on to the next one.

 

[dpic73]

Trump denounced Project 2025. Strike that off your list of things to worry about and move on to the next one.

Yeah apparently he doesn't know who authored it and knows nothing about it but disagrees with it. 🤔

 

[LaniKaiTiger]

Seems fine.

It's a federal regulation about a power delegated to the states. Now the right wants it. Why would someone be opposed to it? Idk, they see it as onerous

 

[moradatiger70]

If there is data I'm missing showing otherwise, I apologize. But we had pretty good evidence it was an issue with airplane security. This just feels like a manufactured issue to me. I haven't seen any evidence of illegals voting in elections being an issue in need of solving. So it feels to me like someone didn't like losing, so they searched for things to blame, combined it with a big political issue (immigration), and then now we're adding red tape to solve for this issue that didn't exist. Would generally think illegal immigrants would actually avoid things like voting where if caught they could be deported.

Maybe you're right, or maybe I'm right.
I'd contend that showing proof of citizenship sure sounds like common sense to me if there happens to be any doubt at all. I have yet to hear a reason why this would be such a big issue.
https://www.usa.gov/prove-us-citizenship

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Maybe you're right, or maybe I'm right.
I'd contend that showing proof of citizenship sure sounds like common sense to me if there happens to be any doubt at all. I have yet to hear a reason why this would be such a big issue.
https://www.usa.gov/prove-us-citizenship

Have yet to hear a reason, or a reason you agree with? I think @iceheart08 already provided a reason.

 

[fatpiggy]

Yeah apparently he doesn't know who authored it and knows nothing about it but disagrees with it. 🤔

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Here is his real platform so you can at least worry about the correct things.

 

[dpic73]

Here is his real platform so you can at least worry about the correct things.

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I've just shown you that he lied about knowing the authors behind Project 2025 but of course we should trust him anyway. He also doesn't detail how he plans to accomplish the goals you posted and that's where the devil lies. Plus, some have already been addressed by Biden(see 4,5, 7, 14)

We also know that he and the RNC are aligned with most of the plans laid out in the project, in fact, the RNC has been working feverishly interviewing candidates to take the place of all the people he plans to fire and part of their litmus test is asking them if they believe the election was stolen. He also said the below:



Make no mistake, it's not that he disagrees with Project 2025, he's just worried that the details will cost him voters.

Republicans call Trump’s move to distance himself from Project 2025 ‘preposterous’

Trump’s claim to ‘know nothing’ about radical rightwing plan recognizes it could sink his campaign, ex-Pence adviser says

www.theguardian.com

 

[TigerGrowls]

You are right. Adding laws on top of laws is always a good thing. More laws is fantastic and will totally not lead to a bunch of unintended consequences.

How do you explain one of the most intelligent minds on the planet in Elon Musk thinking this is a great idea?

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[fatpiggy]

I've just shown you that he lied about knowing the authors behind Project 2025 but of course we should trust him anyway. He also doesn't detail how he plans to accomplish the goals you posted and that's where the devil lies. Plus, some have already been addressed by Biden(see 4,5, 7, 14)

We also know that he and the RNC are aligned with most of the plans laid out in the project, in fact, the RNC has been working feverishly interviewing candidates to take the place of all the people he plans to fire and part of their litmus test is asking them if they believe the election was stolen. He also said the below:

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Make no mistake, it's not that he disagrees with Project 2025, he's just worried that the details will cost him voters.

Republicans call Trump’s move to distance himself from Project 2025 ‘preposterous’

Trump’s claim to ‘know nothing’ about radical rightwing plan recognizes it could sink his campaign, ex-Pence adviser says

www.theguardian.com

Actually, what he said is that “some of the things they are saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal”

At least let your hate be based on honest information.

 

[dpic73]

Actually, what he said is that “some of the things they are saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal”

At least let your hate be based on honest information.

I was addressing these parts of his statement:
“I know nothing about Project 2025.”
“I have no idea who is behind it,”

But fine, if he really finds it ridiculous and abysmal, I'd like to know exactly which parts he disagrees with because I guarantee I could find a quote where he promoted a similar idea or said something equally ridiculous and abysmal.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I was addressing these parts of his statement:
“I know nothing about Project 2025.”
“I have no idea who is behind it,”

But fine, if he really finds it ridiculous and abysmal, I'd like to know exactly which parts he disagrees with because I guarantee I could find a quote where he promoted a similar idea or said something equally ridiculous and abysmal.

Dpic...your liberal brain is not equipped to understand or interpret the 5D chess mind of the great President Trump so don't even try.

 

[dpic73]

Dpic...your liberal brain is not equipped to understand or interpret the 5D chess mind of the great President Trump so don't even try.

Unlike you, I'm not a pawn who believes the stupid moves that son of a bishop makes. Check-mate

 

[The89Tiger]

Here is his real platform so you can at least worry about the correct things.

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How will he do this?

He wants to prevent WW3 but not be an active participant in NATO and commit to protect our allies. So Russia taking over Europe will prevent WW3?

Get rid of cartels? Again, how? They are in foreign countries we can’t control without invading…

Boost our economy by becoming isolationist? Won’t work.

The outcomes he described are great. He has no proof he can accomplish most of them.

He also just gut punched all the social conservatives that blindly follow him by taking out key pieces of their platform like marriage being between a man and a woman and supporting a federal ban on abortion.

Just like all the Reagan republicans in the south were originally democrats that changed parties to get elected, Trump went from supporting Hillary not that long ago to claiming to be the conservative leader.

 

[harristeeter]

Dpic...your liberal brain is not equipped to understand or interpret the 5D chess mind of the great President Trump so don't even try.

Unlike you, I'm not a pawn who believes the stupid moves that son of a bishop makes. Check-mate

Ok, so which one of you is the one on the horse?

 

[fatpiggy]

How will he do this?

He wants to prevent WW3 but not be an active participant in NATO and commit to protect our allies. So Russia taking over Europe will prevent WW3?

Get rid of cartels? Again, how? They are in foreign countries we can’t control without invading…

Boost our economy by becoming isolationist? Won’t work.

The outcomes he described are great. He has no proof he can accomplish most of them.

He also just gut punched all the social conservatives that blindly follow him by taking out key pieces of their platform like marriage being between a man and a woman and supporting a federal ban on abortion.

Just like all the Reagan republicans in the south were originally democrats that changed parties to get elected, Trump went from supporting Hillary not that long ago to claiming to be the conservative leader.

Not be an active member of NATO? Can you please show me where he said that? Sounds like you watch MSDNC

 

[dpic73]

Ok, so which one of you is the one on the horse?

Isn't it obvious that I'm the one laying the smackdown? 😅