Theories on why libs are so bad at talk radio and message boards?

[chassc]

The best thing I ever learned to do was to not feel an attachment to a party. For me, it was the Republican Party that I had to leave. But even after I distanced myself from them, I still felt defensive when they or their views were attacked. Once I finally let loose of that last little bit of connection, I could sit back and see the utter hypocrisy from both sides and not be hesitant to call out the Pubs or defend a “liberal” position. On 99% of issues that I have a working knowledge of, I can argue for either side. Some say that’s weak but I disagree. I can’t and won’t be linked to either. They are both embarrassing.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Seems low imho

The problem is the crazies are the majority of the voters. I have plenty of issues of with Obama but the rights hate was almost entirely based on foxnews coverage. Now we have CNN doing the same thing to Trump. I blame foxnews for showing how profitable fake news can be.

 

[wallaceb]

You used the Washington Post to prove your point? Oh no, definitely zero bias here lol

Might as well have used the Huffington Post or maybe even let Rachel Maddow tell us...

No better than citing Fox News...

 

[Howard's Jock]

Washington Post is one of the more credible news sites around. They are left leaning, but I’d hope you don’t let an journalist political leaning dictate your views.

Thank you for ignoring all the facts. I wouldn’t expect any less from the people that don’t believe in facts anymore.

you dont know jimbob real well do you?

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

If you identify as either a liberal or a conservative you aren't bringing logic to the table in political discussions. Either label connotes inherent biases that mitigate logic and reason. By and large, individuals who identify as either don't think for themselves.

This is just a sort of silly notion. Your views are generally going to coalesce in one direction or another. That doesn't mean you're always a product of groupthink (and it's impossible to completely get away from groupthink, as you showed with your post trying to claim that only non-conservatives or non-liberals think for themselves, which is a way of claiming your own group's superiority), but it's just a fact of life.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

The best thing I ever learned to do was to not feel an attachment to a party. For me, it was the Republican Party that I had to leave. But even after I distanced myself from them, I still felt defensive when they or their views were attacked. Once I finally let loose of that last little bit of connection, I could sit back and see the utter hypocrisy from both sides and not be hesitant to call out the Pubs or defend a “liberal” position. On 99% of issues that I have a working knowledge of, I can argue for either side. Some say that’s weak but I disagree. I can’t and won’t be linked to either. They are both embarrassing.

Tribalism isn't the only way to be "attached" to a party. It just sounds like your own thinking was too tribalistic. So much of the anti-political stuff I see is stuff like this where people claim to be too good for actual politics. I don't love electoral politics or how our political process sometimes works, but I'm not going to act like I'm above it all so I can act superior.

 

[Howard's Jock]

the fact that this thread is still going on a friday afternoon means we are all losers...

 

[Tiger1425]

What has 8000 legs and 8000 teeth? A Trump Rally.

 

[chassc]

Tribalism isn't the only way to be "attached" to a party. It just sounds like your own thinking was too tribalistic. So much of the anti-political stuff I see is stuff like this where people claim to be too good for actual politics. I don't love electoral politics or how our political process sometimes works, but I'm not going to act like I'm above it all so I can act superior.

You thought I came across as thinking I’m too good?
Yeesh...

 

[dpotter24]

Foxnews and trump told them them unemployment and gdp numbers didn’t mean anything when Obama was in office. Now trump and foxnews brag about how great he is doing based on these same numbers.

Same?! Uh no. Not even close.

 

[clemben]

The OP is right...

Probably 10% of folks on the left who are so invested in identity politics can't have a rational discussion.

And there is probably 10% (although in the Trump era I think that number has increased with even more emotionally based partisanship) on the right. If not 20%. On the right it can be very difficult to have a conversation if an issue is deeply rooted in a spiritual belief that is part of a worldview (for example, I am actually socially conservative and not in favor of abortion, but having a discussion about granting a fetus personhood can be an untenable as identity politics).

If you want to debate an issue with an independent OP--just state the issue...

 

[okclem]

This is just a sort of silly notion. Your views are generally going to coalesce in one direction or another. That doesn't mean you're always a product of groupthink (and it's impossible to completely get away from groupthink, as you showed with your post trying to claim that only non-conservatives or non-liberals think for themselves, which is a way of claiming your own group's superiority), but it's just a fact of life.

No it isn't, at all. I didn't say liberals and conservatives can't think for themselves. I said by and large liberals and conservatives don't think for themselves. I probably should have added the qualifier "when it comes to politics," but that seemed redundant given the thread topic. Whether you identify as one or the other, it is extremely likely that you will side with your chosen team regardless of the issue and regardless of how well- reasoned and logical you are on non-political matters.

 

[VeniceTiger]

This is a dumb post, but I think the reason things appear that way is the same reason why there are more right of center think tanks, magazines, and talk radio hosts: there are more mainstream venues to vent liberal spleen. Conservatives had to create their own venues.

Conservatives had to create their own venues because they disagree with science. Takes a lot of effort to come up with some kind of narrative why science isn’t important and shouldn’t be paid attention to.

As podcasting gains in popularity, it will be interesting to see which party is able to build a greater presence through that medium.

 

[Sobchak Security]

Good God, this is the most poorly moderated message board around

 

[Cabotiger]

the fact that this thread is still going on a friday afternoon means we are all losers...

113 baby!!

 

[Howard's Jock]

Good God, this is the most poorly moderated message board around

im glad it stays here...the round table is where threads die

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

OP definitely has a tiny weenie

Interesting that when people on the board refer to the OP, I usually hear the words huge and dick to describe him.

 

[CU12341234]

@CU12341234 and @heatovermeat get your boners in here


To the OP, us liberals have a hard time debating with conservatives like yourself because we have to dumb down our vocabulary. It’s like a PhD trying to have a deep conversation with a plumber who got his GED a few months prior.

Also, I have to applaud you for staying consistent and saying that all liberals have only emotionally based positions.

Make sure your son doesn’t go to an institution of higher learning, don’t want him to be around too many liberals

Rent. Free. Sucka.

 

[CU12341234]

Foxnews and trump told them them unemployment and gdp numbers didn’t mean anything when Obama was in office. Now trump and foxnews brag about how great he is doing based on these same numbers.

Obama's numbers aren't close to what Trump has done. Wtf??

 

[johnhugh]

Rent. Free. Sucka.

I only know who you are due to your embarrassing ignorance. Jokes on you

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Obama's numbers aren't close to what Trump has done. Wtf??

Trump hasn’t caused anything to skyrocket. You are now accepting numbers you once rejected. So yes, if you compare everything to 2009 it isn’t close. Everything is going up the same as it has been for the past few years.

We are are rolling a long time in between recessions. It’s not if but when at this point. If it doesn’t hit before 2020 Trump is elected again. Hits before 2020 he’s gone. I think Hillary winning would have been better long term for the republicans. Instead Trump decided to hold on to the hot potato.

A recession would do wonders for the democrat socialist popularity. And when that day comes I’ll blame all you Trumpsters.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Conservatives had to create their own venues because they disagree with science. Takes a lot of effort to come up with some kind of narrative why science isn’t important and shouldn’t be paid attention to.

As podcasting gains in popularity, it will be interesting to see which party is able to build a greater presence through that medium.

SMH

Read this: https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/science-and-the-left

Even if your premise were correct, it had very little to do with why conservatives had to create their own venues.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

No it isn't, at all. I didn't say liberals and conservatives can't think for themselves. I said by and large liberals and conservatives don't think for themselves. I probably should have added the qualifier "when it comes to politics," but that seemed redundant given the thread topic. Whether you identify as one or the other, it is extremely likely that you will side with your chosen team regardless of the issue and regardless of how well- reasoned and logical you are on non-political matters.

And that has to do with the fact that you have a consistent philosophy, not necessarily that you’re being tribalistic. You could just as easily criticize people who see themselves as “moderates” for being incoherent.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

You thought I came across as thinking I’m too good?
Yeesh...

Yes, that’s exactly how it comes across when people talk about how they’re too good for party politics.

 

[okclem]

And that has to do with the fact that you have a consistent philosophy, not necessarily that you’re being tribalistic. You could just as easily criticize people who see themselves as “moderates” for being incoherent.

It doesn't make one bit of difference to me, I consider myself 100%, literally apolitical. I do not engage with any of it. I'm not conservative, moderate, liberal, or any other label. I do not vote. In the grand scheme of what I devote my attention to, it might as well not even exist.

But from my unavoidable observances of human behavior as it relates to politics in this country, the dynamic surrounding the entire political spectrum is further removed from logic and reason than I can tolerate. I would consider re-engaging if things settled back considerably more to the center, but it's clearly going in the opposite direction. This is why i hate Trump so much, he is too intentionally polarizing to be good for this country long term, regardless of any short term successes he might facilitate. The current political climate is totally unsustainable.

 

[okclem]

@camcgee the notion that i consider myself too good for party politics is comically asinine. Just preposterous.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

@camcgee the notion that i consider myself too good for party politics is comically asinine. Just preposterous.

You should stop saying you are, then.

This is the best thing I’ve read on this whole phenomenon: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/hollywood-resistance-celebrities-fake-rebellion/

Let me know what you think.

 

[CU12341234]

Trump hasn’t caused anything to skyrocket. You are now accepting numbers you once rejected. So yes, if you compare everything to 2009 it isn’t close. Everything is going up the same as it has been for the past few years.

We are are rolling a long time in between recessions. It’s not if but when at this point. If it doesn’t hit before 2020 Trump is elected again. Hits before 2020 he’s gone. I think Hillary winning would have been better long term for the republicans. Instead Trump decided to hold on to the hot potato.

A recession would do wonders for the democrat socialist popularity. And when that day comes I’ll blame all you Trumpsters.

Oh my fvck! Lulz

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Oh my fvck! Lulz

I guess you’ve missed all the socialist winning primaries. Kind of like when the tiki torch whites started saying they are the tea party lol. I personally love hearing teapartiers justify Trumps liberal tariffs.

 

[CU12341234]

I guess you’ve missed all the socialist winning primaries. Kind of like when the tiki torch whites started saying they are the tea party lol. I personally love hearing teapartiers justify Trumps liberal tariffs.

Wait so Bernie Sanders and his socialist utopian ideas was screwed over by the Dems is somehow Trump's fault? That's some pretzel logic if I've ever seen one. The dem voters are electing socialists bc they appeal to emotion based ideas. Just admit the 2 parties have lurched further apart but only 1 party is embracing socialism. Fact.

 

[heatovermeat]

I guess you’ve missed all the socialist winning primaries. Kind of like when the tiki torch whites started saying they are the tea party lol. I personally love hearing teapartiers justify Trumps liberal tariffs.

Can we both just agree that liberals are disgusting pieces of trash?

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

Wait so Bernie Sanders and his socialist utopian ideas was screwed over by the Dems is somehow Trump's fault? That's some pretzel logic if I've ever seen one. The dem voters are electing socialists bc they appeal to emotion based ideas. Just admit the 2 parties have lurched further apart but only 1 party is embracing socialism. Fact.

I didn’t say it’s Trumps fault. I think if the economy crashes under trump it will be the final straw the socialist need

 

[CU12341234]

I didn’t say it’s Trumps fault. I think if the economy crashes under trump it will be the final straw the socialist need

And WHO will vote for them???? It's a rhetorical question.

 

[Casa_del_Tigre]

And WHO will vote for them???? It's a rhetorical question.

You sound like a liberal downplaying the teapartiers when Obama was president.

 

[CU12341234]

You sound like a liberal downplaying the teapartiers when Obama was president.

The Tea Party was created organically and advocated for smaller gov't then of course was exploited by the establishment Repubs. Obama will go down as the worst President in this country's history. He lost more Dem seats throughout the country than any other Prez and for that, I thank him. That was really his only accomplishment while in office. lol

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

The Tea Party was created organically and advocated for smaller gov't then of course was exploited by the establishment Repubs. Obama will go down as the worst President in this country's history. He lost more Dem seats throughout the country than any other Prez and for that, I thank him. That was really his only accomplishment while in office. lol

 

[okclem]

You should stop saying you are, then.

This is the best thing I’ve read on this whole phenomenon: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/hollywood-resistance-celebrities-fake-rebellion/

Let me know what you think.

I'll tell you what...point out to me where I said I was too good for it, and then I'll click on your link. Do you have any idea how arrogant and condescending you sound reducing my thought process to mere snobbery?

 

[johnhugh]

The Tea Party was created organically and advocated for smaller gov't then of course was exploited by the establishment Repubs. Obama will go down as the worst President in this country's history. He lost more Dem seats throughout the country than any other Prez and for that, I thank him. That was really his only accomplishment while in office. lol

Obamacare saved a family friend’s life so for that I thank him

 

[CUtiger (actual)]

Obamacare saved a family friend’s life so for that I thank him

And devastated the lives of millions of others'.

Anecdotal evidence is step one of defeat.

 

[johnhugh]

And devastated the lives of millions of others'.

Anecdotal evidence is step one of defeat.

You’re wrong but that’s ok, should be normal for you