Have you actually slowed down your anger and outrage long enough to actually read the Report?
Didn't think so.
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Have you actually slowed down your anger and outrage long enough to actually read the Report?
Didn't think so.
Yep. The whole thing. It was a soft coup attempt. And it was cheating.
What I thought. You didn't read it. That wasn't the summary or the opinion of the author.
The Summary was that Hillary made up the claims of Russian Collusion and that John Brennnan knew it and briefed Obama and Biden (among others) on it. It also concluded that Trump, unequivocally, did not collude with Russia.
Also, check out the polls on the vearcity of the Russian Collusion pre and post report. You are in a small minority that still believes in Russian Collusion. Almost everyone has come around to the truth except the most ardent Rachel Maddow followers. Rachel clearly had a dog in the fight considering she touted a false claim for years. Even Sleepy eyes Chuck Todd admits it was a dirty political trick that eroded the faith of the American public. Even CNN claims it was a stain on the FBI.
Can you provide the "definitive" proof that Adam Schiff (intelligence committee) had saying that Trump colluded with Russia? I'll be waiting for your evidence.
They cheated. Not the society i want to live in and not the society i want for my children and the future of this nation.
Don't care about polls, That isn't proof. Nobody cheated, Trump lost.
Can you provide the definitive proof that Adam Schiff was talking about? Or at least point me to what page it was on in the report?
And Trump did lose. The question is did he lose fairly. And the answer is no.
Best is relative I suppose. If you need a sophisticated surgery, and only want the best, where are you going? Norway? Or maybe Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, etc…
Who develops the best medications on the world? Who develops the best treatments?
Like it or not, our capitalistic healthcare system has resulted the the best innovation in healthcare in the entire world and has driven the advancement of treatments that now span the globe.
And let’s not pretend that a cutover to socialized medicine solves some of the underlying issues in US healthcare. We have an unhealthy foundational population completely unrelated to the healthcare funding mechanism. Just look at obesity rates. US tips the scales at a whopping 36.2% of adults being obese. Not overweight, obese. This leads to a host of chronic conditions, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, musculoskeletal disorders, etc.
Socialized medicine doesn’t fix that.
European countries range from 19-26%. The difference has a massive impact on healthcare costs.
Perhaps we should get laser focused on fixing the obesity epidemic, among other preventative measures, instead of turning the entire system on its head. The same system that is the undisputed leader in healthcare innovation worldwide.
Obesity Rates by Country 2024
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This is what I can't understand about Trumpers. He spent a part of every day demonizing 55% of the population and was the most hated president of all time, not to mention his horrifically clownish approach to the pandemic, but you still believe he should have gotten the most votes. Why can't you accept that Americans came out in force because they wanted him out of office and they don't want him to return. The majority of Americans hate him for the same reason you love him, but you oddly believe that we want more of that bullshit anyway, simply because you love how he hates us. Strange bubble you live in...
@yoshi can you not provide the evidence?
Or do you think its OK for a sitting member of congress, on the intelligence committee none the less, to fabricate lies to tell the American Public?
You have latched on to this one piece of information like it's some smoking gun. It's not.
You realize, I hope, that multiple the bags can be true at the same time? The FBI should have done a better job vetting the info, but they also followed the information and were not politically motivated in the investigation. In fact, that was the finding of the prosecutor.
They didn’t vote for Joe Biden last time. They voted against Donald Trump. And they will again.
Amid their disappointment over the Durham report, Trumpers are seizing the moment to please the MAGA crowd by attacking Schiff and anyone who had the nerve to stand up to their orange goose. In the end, none of this mattered and had no bearing on why he was voted out. He lost because he deserved to.
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Can you provide the evidence Adam Schiff was talking about. Yes or No ? If so, please provide a link or just let us know on which page it's on in the Durham report.
No they won't. They will be apathetic to Joe's agenda and realize they were much better off under the Trump administration. Trump fans will be rabid to right the injustices.
“My colleagues might think it’s OK that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic candidate for president as part of what’s described as the Russian government’s effort to help the Trump campaign,” he said. “My colleagues might think it’s OK that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the son did not call the FBI, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help — no, instead that son said he would ‘love’ the help with the Russians. You might think it was ok that he took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience running campaigns, also took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that the president’s son-in-law also took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that they concealed it from the public. You might think it’s ok that their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn’t better. You might think it’s OK. I don’t.”
“You might think it’s OK that the president’s son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communication with Russians through a Russian diplomatic facility,” he added. “I don’t think that’s OK. You might think it’s OK that an associate of the president made direct contact with the GRU through Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaks. You might think it’s OK that a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say, in terms of dirt on his opponent. You might think it’s OK that the national security adviser-designate secretly conferred with a Russian ambassador about undermining U.S. sanctions, and you might think it’s OK he lied about it to the FBI. You might say that’s all OK, that that’s just what you need to do to win. But I don’t think it’s OK. I think it’s immoral, I think it’s unethical, I think it’s unpatriotic and, yes, I think it’s corrupt, and evidence of collusion.”
Adam Schiff Presents His 'Evidence of Collusion'
The House Intelligence Committee chairman and foe of President Trump delivered a fiery speech on Thursday morning
www.rollingstone.com
Ignore Gen Z at your own risk, who will make up almost a quarter of the electorate in 2024. Do you really believe these young voters give a flip about the "injustice" done to Trump? LOL
Abortion, Climate change, Racism, Anti- LGBTQ legislation and Gun Violence prevention will be top of mind for those voters, NOT retribution for your tired, special needs cantaloupe.
FYI, Gen Z will be the largest generation in our history and also our most diverse. As a matter of fact, they will be our first non-majority white generation so you better care about their concerns if you want to remain relevant.
Incessant bitching about Schiff, Collusion and trans will not move the needle but keep it up, it's only helping us.
Waiting @yoshi121374
Lets see if we can agree on the basic fact that Adam Schiff intentionally lied and mislead the American public.
He either had the evidence or he didn't. Can you point to the page in the Durham report that backs up his claims?
What's sad is you think that you somehow "Got me". I don't care about Adam Schiff, I've never voted for Adam Schiff. As stated above, Schiff felt he had information based on what he knew at the time, he probably was overly aggressive and should have vetted it better. That said, it doesn't matter. No matter how much you and your MAGA buddies want this to be a huge deal, it's just not. Sorry?
So they voted against Trump before January 6th mindfvcked a whole bunch of people and the election cheating stuff alienated a ton as well. But now everyone is going to get on board and vote for Trump?
Im not trying to "get you" at all. It just seems that we can't agree on a basic truth. Did Adam Schiff intentionally lie to the American public. Yes or no.
He claimed he had evidence and he did not. It was not a mistake. If it was a mistake he would present the evidence that he thought was correct and turned out to be incorrect. This was not an innocent mistake he made, it was an intentional deception of the American public.
If we can't agree on that we know you are not arguing in good faith. Either admit he intentionally deceived or you are relegated to Troll status.
And it absolutely does matter. An intentional lie is an attempt to put your thumb on the scale, and that my friend is cheating. And thats just the the first of many intentional lies by the government that all happened to damage Trump. Cheating.
So if we get down to, say, 25% of the population in the obese range, that’s all of a sudden going to mean that health care costs less? That millions of Americans aren’t going into debt due to medical bills? That millions of Americans aren’t going to purposefully avoid going to the doctor because they can’t afford it? Give me a break, obesity isn’t the cause of the issues with our healthcare system - if anything it’s a symptom.Best is relative I suppose. If you need a sophisticated surgery, and only want the best, where are you going? Norway? Or maybe Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, etc…
Who develops the best medications on the world? Who develops the best treatments?
Like it or not, our capitalistic healthcare system has resulted the the best innovation in healthcare in the entire world and has driven the advancement of treatments that now span the globe.
And let’s not pretend that a cutover to socialized medicine solves some of the underlying issues in US healthcare. We have an unhealthy foundational population completely unrelated to the healthcare funding mechanism. Just look at obesity rates. US tips the scales at a whopping 36.2% of adults being obese. Not overweight, obese. This leads to a host of chronic conditions, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, musculoskeletal disorders, etc.
Socialized medicine doesn’t fix that.
European countries range from 19-26%. The difference has a massive impact on healthcare costs.
Perhaps we should get laser focused on fixing the obesity epidemic, among other preventative measures, instead of turning the entire system on its head. The same system that is the undisputed leader in healthcare innovation worldwide.
Obesity Rates by Country 2024
worldpopulationreview.com
But let’s say you’re right. What policies do you suggest we take on to get “laser focused” on fixing obesity? How do we tackle that issue?
I’ll tell you what’s helped me lose a lot of weight over the last year - medications. Medications that, if I lost my job tomorrow, I’d no longer be able to afford. This means that not only am I dependent on work for money, but also for necessary medications. Wouldn’t it be great if I could change jobs without having to worry about losing my ability to pay for my healthcare needs? Wouldn’t it be great if all of a sudden, none of us were beholden to major corporations for healthcare and instead they were forced to compete for laborers with higher wages?
You’re also vastly overestimating the value of innovation when a chunk of the population can’t even afford to take advantage of those treatments.
Well they did cheat. They may (or may not) have changed vote counts, but they used the full power of the government to decieve the American public. That is cheating.
The bold is just not correct.
GenZ is smaller than both the Boomer and Millennial generations. Additionally, your comment implies that "GenZ" is still growing. It is not. Gen Z's birth years are between 1997 and 2012. Name of the current Generation is 'Gen Alpha" which is on pace to be the smallest Generation on record due to the declining birth rate ... which is a HUGE problem.
edit: now, if your statement means that GenZ will be the most/largest "politically" active/tuned in???? I could see that
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I stand corrected...I knew I read it somewhere but couldn't remember, but I did find the article that stated it. Still huge though.
As far as growing, I was referring to the voting age population.
"Generation Z, comprised of Americans born since 1997, is the largest generation in American history. It’s also the most diverse, so much so that some have proposed that it be called the “plurals” to reflect the racial and ethnic pluralism that will make Gen Z the first majority nonwhite generation."
How Much Could Younger Voters Affect Future Election Outcomes?
Millennial and Gen Z Americans will be the majority of the electorate in 2028. But predicting which party will benefit will be challenging. These young voters care more about policy than party, according to experts.
www.governing.com
oh wow how cool the owner of twitter is now dumping directly into your brain. so smart
Yeah "Great Statement" is some real propaganda. How dare he suggest you watch something.
You guys can't stand it that the MSM doesn't control the narrative anymore.
Well, yea. If we reduce our rate of obesity into the 19-26% range, our prevalence of chronic conditions, heart disease, diabetes, musculoskeltal issues, cancer, etc etc. all go down. Because of that, total healthcare costs go down dramatically.
That means lower health insurance premiums and lower expenses in government funded models. Those lower costs free up money to redefine deductible thresholds, invest more in prevention and do other things that can positively impact financial struggles attributed to healthcare.
From the CDC:
People who have overweight or obesity*, compared to those with healthy weight, are at increased risk for many serious diseases and health conditions. These include:1,2,3
- All-causes of death (mortality).
- High blood pressure (hypertension).
- High LDL cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol, or high levels of triglycerides (dyslipidemia).
- Type 2 diabetes.
- Coronary heart disease.
- Stroke.
- Gallbladder disease.
- Osteoarthritis (a breakdown of cartilage and bone within a joint).
- Sleep apnea and breathing problems.
- Many types of cancer.
- Low quality of life.
- Mental illness such as clinical depression, anxiety, and other mental disorders4,5.
- Body pain and difficulty with physical functioning6.
And that's just one condition example... And wow, look at the cost categories below. Think the issues triggered by obesity factor into these?
Even your example is indicative of a problem within our healthcare system. Perhaps you have a unique condition, but for most people, obesity is 100% self-inflicted. There is also a zero cost solution - diet and exercise. I've lost 12 pounds this year. My 33s were feeling a bit tight and I just wasn't where I wanted to be as I approach 40. Precisely zero other people, healthcare companies, health insurers or government entities needed to contribute 1 cent or 1 minute of time to make this happen. It's my job. I gained the weight. I'm 100% accountable to losing it.
We need a strong injection of personal responsibility and accountability. If you're whining about healthcare costs, but are obese, or are frequenting golden corral and fast food joints, then WTF. You are part of our healthcare problem.
I don't have all the answers, but here are two proposals:
- Invest in nutrition and exercise education in low income and high obesity areas. Invest in healthy food subsidies in "food deserts" and other areas where healthy food options are hard to come by.
- Restructure health insurance premiums to allow for rating of individuals based on preventable health conditions. We already do it for smoking. Do it for obesity and other preventable categories that have a high correlation to healthcare costs. Want to save money? Lose weight.
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A vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. Trump will not win a general election. MAGA is a loser at the polls.
counter point: If people don't die, theres nothing for the lawyers to divy out to the next generation. People dying is normal.Well, yea. If we reduce our rate of obesity into the 19-26% range, our prevalence of chronic conditions, heart disease, diabetes, musculoskeltal issues, cancer, etc etc. all go down. Because of that, total healthcare costs go down dramatically.
That means lower health insurance premiums and lower expenses in government funded models. Those lower costs free up money to redefine deductible thresholds, invest more in prevention and do other things that can positively impact financial struggles attributed to healthcare.
From the CDC:
People who have overweight or obesity*, compared to those with healthy weight, are at increased risk for many serious diseases and health conditions. These include:1,2,3
- All-causes of death (mortality).
- High blood pressure (hypertension).
- High LDL cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol, or high levels of triglycerides (dyslipidemia).
- Type 2 diabetes.
- Coronary heart disease.
- Stroke.
- Gallbladder disease.
- Osteoarthritis (a breakdown of cartilage and bone within a joint).
- Sleep apnea and breathing problems.
- Many types of cancer.
- Low quality of life.
- Mental illness such as clinical depression, anxiety, and other mental disorders4,5.
- Body pain and difficulty with physical functioning6.
And that's just one condition example... And wow, look at the cost categories below. Think the issues triggered by obesity factor into these?
Even your example is indicative of a problem within our healthcare system. Perhaps you have a unique condition, but for most people, obesity is 100% self-inflicted. There is also a zero cost solution - diet and exercise. I've lost 12 pounds this year. My 33s were feeling a bit tight and I just wasn't where I wanted to be as I approach 40. Precisely zero other people, healthcare companies, health insurers or government entities needed to contribute 1 cent or 1 minute of time to make this happen. It's my job. I gained the weight. I'm 100% accountable to losing it.
We need to strong injection of personal responsibility and accountability. If you're whining about healthcare costs, but are obese, or are frequenting golden corral and fast food joints, then WTF. You are part of our healthcare problem.
I don't have all the answers, but here are two proposals:
- Invest in nutrition and exercise education in low income and high obesity areas. Invest in healthy food subsidies in "food deserts" and other areas where health food options are hard to come by.
- Restructure health insurance premiums to allow for rating of individuals based on preventable health conditions. We already do it for smoking. Do it for obesity and other preventable categories that have a high correlation to healthcare costs. Want to save money? Lose weight.
Its absolutely wild to me that you believe that reduced cost for healthcare companies/insurance companies would equal reduced cost for the average American. I also wonder how long it would take the country to get down to European levels of obesity. It would probably take decades to get down to 20% obesity rate in the US.Well, yea. If we reduce our rate of obesity into the 19-26% range, our prevalence of chronic conditions, heart disease, diabetes, musculoskeltal issues, cancer, etc etc. all go down. Because of that, total healthcare costs go down dramatically.
That means lower health insurance premiums and lower expenses in government funded models. Those lower costs free up money to redefine deductible thresholds, invest more in prevention and do other things that can positively impact financial struggles attributed to healthcare.
From the CDC:
People who have overweight or obesity*, compared to those with healthy weight, are at increased risk for many serious diseases and health conditions. These include:1,2,3
- All-causes of death (mortality).
- High blood pressure (hypertension).
- High LDL cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol, or high levels of triglycerides (dyslipidemia).
- Type 2 diabetes.
- Coronary heart disease.
- Stroke.
- Gallbladder disease.
- Osteoarthritis (a breakdown of cartilage and bone within a joint).
- Sleep apnea and breathing problems.
- Many types of cancer.
- Low quality of life.
- Mental illness such as clinical depression, anxiety, and other mental disorders4,5.
- Body pain and difficulty with physical functioning6.
And that's just one condition example... And wow, look at the cost categories below. Think the issues triggered by obesity factor into these?
Even your example is indicative of a problem within our healthcare system. Perhaps you have a unique condition, but for most people, obesity is 100% self-inflicted. There is also a zero cost solution - diet and exercise. I've lost 12 pounds this year. My 33s were feeling a bit tight and I just wasn't where I wanted to be as I approach 40. Precisely zero other people, healthcare companies, health insurers or government entities needed to contribute 1 cent or 1 minute of time to make this happen. It's my job. I gained the weight. I'm 100% accountable to losing it.
We need a strong injection of personal responsibility and accountability. If you're whining about healthcare costs, but are obese, or are frequenting golden corral and fast food joints, then WTF. You are part of our healthcare problem.
I don't have all the answers, but here are two proposals:
- Invest in nutrition and exercise education in low income and high obesity areas. Invest in healthy food subsidies in "food deserts" and other areas where healthy food options are hard to come by.
- Restructure health insurance premiums to allow for rating of individuals based on preventable health conditions. We already do it for smoking. Do it for obesity and other preventable categories that have a high correlation to healthcare costs. Want to save money? Lose weight.
And again, its chicken/egg. Obesity is a symptom of the very problem that it is also a contributor to. I’m with you on investment in nutrition and food subsidies, but good luck getting the Republicans you vote for to support such measures, as the GOP consistently voted against and mocked Michelle Obama’s initiative around healthy school lunches and continue to fight against free school lunches for children.
That's why we play the game. No one is annointing Biden after the shit show that has been his presidency. Anyone confident of his re-election ..... yikes.
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