Time to ban children from churches?

[firegiver]

I’d argue that in a world with no moral absolutes that there would be no injustice. And the person who fought against the imagined injustice would be a fool.

If doing what you think is right makes you a fool, then embrace being a fool in someone's eyes. Thats being brave. There are no moral absolutes because morality keeps changing. Be as aware and as informed as you can be, otherwise, you have little basis for your own morality. Again, morality is in the eyes of the beholder. How else can you justify the moral abominations that god himself performed in the bible. Or that our lauded founding fathers baked into the constitution?

Being able to handle and empathize with someone, makes you able to see the world through their eyes. That empathy is a key component to morality. Because again, morality aint absolute. Your finite experience shapes yours.

 

[Budgripe86]

I am not arguing that my stance that murder is wrong is a moral absolute. I’m arguing that is my individual moral belief and that many others also share that individual moral belief. There is no such thing as moral absolutism and those who claim there is are simply assigning their own personal morals to be absolute.

Are you saying that I should look at the child molester who’s individual moral belief tells him that it is good and right to molest children and weigh it against your’s that says it is wrong and immoral and conclude that you both are believing and acting morally? I should then view you both as the same caliber of sentient beings acting on your free will, correct?

 

[Budgripe86]

If doing what you think is right makes you a fool, then embrace being a fool in someone's eyes. Thats being brave. There are no moral absolutes because morality keeps changing. Be as aware and as informed as you can be, otherwise, you have little basis for your own morality. Again, morality is in the eyes of the beholder. How else can you justify the moral abominations that god himself performed in the bible. Or that our lauded founding fathers baked into the constitution?

Being able to handle and empathize with someone, makes you able to see the world through their eyes. That empathy is a key component to morality. Because again, morality aint absolute. Your finite experience shapes yours.

What I was implying is that in a world of no absolute morality there could be no legitimate claims of justice or injustice. If morality is the eye of the beholder then ultimately so is the idea of justice and injustice. One man’s justice would be injustice to another. And no individual or collective would have the moral authority to determine who is correct. Therefore if a man were fighting for justice for a perceived injustice he’d simultaneously be causing injustice on the just.

In reality what it would look like is that there would be no injustice in the world as everyone theoretically is acting justly, according to the morality they’re beholding or have learned from experience as you put it.

 

[dbjork6317]

Are you saying that I should look at the child molester who’s individual moral belief tells him that it is good and right to molest children and weigh it against your’s that says it is wrong and immoral and conclude that you both are believing and acting morally? I should then view you both as the same caliber of sentient beings acting on your free will, correct?

No you should determine from your own mortality if the action is moral or not.

 

[Budgripe86]

No you should determine from your own mortality if the action is moral or not.

So in the future it’s possible you could start a thread celebrating rather than condemning the child molesters within religious organizations?

 

[dbjork6317]

So in the future it’s possible you could start a thread celebrating rather than condemning the child molesters within religious organizations?

You’re being ridiculous at this point and going in circles. Not sure if it’s purposeful or not.

 

[Budgripe86]

You’re being ridiculous at this point and going in circles. Not sure if it’s purposeful or not.

Neither was purposeful. I appreciate the convo, thanks for the time.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

So in the future it’s possible you could start a thread celebrating rather than condemning the child molesters within religious organizations?

Anyone can believe anything is moral or not. Doesn’t mean I have to change my own morals. And society isn’t run by moral, it’s run by law.

 

[WapPride]

Absolutely shocked I tell you

Former North Dakota lawmaker to plead guilty to traveling to pay for sex with minor

A former North Dakota lawmaker who was one of the most powerful members of the Legislature has signed a plea agreement with federal prosecutors on a charge that he traveled to Europe with the intent of paying for sex with a minor.

apnews.com

 

[anon_gwg7wjjhm2lka]

 

[TigerGrowls]

I just think it’s important to protect children and the church is an institution that has been proven to be a gathering place for child predators. There are arguments that we need to regulate when and where drag shows can take place in order to protect children, so IMO it’s important we also regulate churches to protect children since incidents of child sexual abuse are much more common in the church than at drag shows.

There’s also talk that those who are under 18 should not be able to take hormone therapy because of the life altering impacts, and I’d argue that children should not be able to attend church due to the life altering impacts that can happen to them there both mentally and physically.

Keeping in mind that I do not even attend church even though I am a spiritual person that believes in God I think its safe to say that kids are safer in church than going to school. Whats your solution?

 

[dbjork6317]

Alabama youth minister allegedly threatened to kill his wife if teen rape victim did not send nude photos

He is accused of having forced sexual intercourse with the 13-year-old girl on multiple occasions, as well as performing sex acts on her.

www.al.com

 

[Allornothing]

Alabama youth minister allegedly threatened to kill his wife if teen rape victim did not send nude photos

He is accused of having forced sexual intercourse with the 13-year-old girl on multiple occasions, as well as performing sex acts on her.

www.al.com

Sentence him to death. I have no problem with that as long as you do the same to people who feel the way you do. You agree with killing babies who never had a chance at life.

 

[DW4_2016]

Sentence him to death. I have no problem with that as long as you do the same to people who feel the way you do. You agree with killing babies who never had a chance at life.

Nice redirect

 

[dbjork6317]

Sentence him to death. I have no problem with that as long as you do the same to people who feel the way you do. You agree with killing babies who never had a chance at life.

If this Christian man had gotten the 13 year old that he raped pregnant, would it be your stance that she should be legally required to carry that pregnancy to term and have the child?

 

[Allornothing]

If this Christian man had gotten the 13 year old that he raped pregnant, would it be your stance that she should be legally required to carry that pregnancy to term and have the child?

Christian men don't rape children for starters. Only a Christian impersonator would do such a thing.

As to your question, NO. In that scenario, rape, incest, health of the mother I understand.

 

[dbjork6317]

Christian men don't rape children for starters. Only a Christian impersonator would do such a thing.

As to your question, NO. In that scenario, rape, incest, health of the mother I understand.

So you agree with killing babies who never had a chance at life?

Sounds like we’re both pro choice.

 

[Allornothing]

So you agree with killing babies who never had a chance at life?

Sounds like we’re both pro choice.

How stupid are you?

Do you people take a class or something to get to this level of ignorance?

I stated my views. They are there for the world to see.

"Sounds like we’re both pro choice." NO! You're just to stupid to read.

 

[okclem]

If I haven't said it before, the Catholic Church is in my top 5 most evil organizations to ever exist on this planet.

 

[Allornothing]

If I haven't said it before, the Catholic Church is in my top 5 most evil organizations to ever exist on this planet.

could be, but I would like to see the research.

Where did he touch you?

I'm willing to bet you don't go to "church" on Sunday. I don't either. My bond with GOD is much stronger than that.

 

[okclem]

could be, but I would like to see the research.

Where did he touch you?

I'm willing to bet you don't go to "church" on Sunday. I don't either. My bond with GOD is much stronger than that.

Fvckin cool 😎

 

[dbjork6317]

How stupid are you?

Do you people take a class or something to get to this level of ignorance?

I stated my views. They are there for the world to see.

"Sounds like we’re both pro choice." NO! You're just to stupid to read.

You literally just said that you would support that 13 year old’s ability to CHOOSE whether or not to carry that pregnancy to term.

Hate to break it to you, but you’re pro choice.

 

[Allornothing]

Fvckin cool 😎

You've already stated that you were an Atheist/Agnostic. I'm not gonna try and convince you.

Why can't you folks just leave us alone? We don't need you! You produce nothing.

We earn and provide for our families. Every one of your policies suck. Just leave us alone. This was a great nation before you "educated" people sought to DESTROY it.

You are not going to like the alternative. I've got my popcorn. Bring it!

 

[dbjork6317]

You've already stated that you were an Atheist/Agnostic. I'm not gonna try and convince you.

Why can't you folks just leave us alone? We don't need you! You produce nothing.

We earn and provide for our families. Every one of your policies suck. Just leave us alone. This was a great nation before you "educated" people sought to DESTROY it.

You are not going to like the alternative. I've got my popcorn. Bring it!

Ah yes, we need to leave you alone. We’ll be happy to - just take “in god we trust” off the money, remove “under god” from the pledge of allegiance, start taxing churches, stop trying to divert my tax dollars to Christian schools, stop trying to put 10 commandments and the Bible in the public schools my taxes pay for, and stop using religion as a reason for passing laws that damage the lgbt community and women’s autonomy.

Then maybe we’ll “leave you alone.”

 

[Allornothing]

You literally just said that you would support that 13 year old’s ability to CHOOSE whether or not to carry that pregnancy to term.

Hate to break it to you, but you’re pro choice.

No. I'm not pro choice.

So here is another question. Why does a homosexual like you ever worry about the abortion thing? You'll never, you're partner will ever birth a child. Why is that so important? What do you gain if a young person aborts their baby?

How does abortion affect homos?

 

[Allornothing]

Ah yes, we need to leave you alone. We’ll be happy to - just take “in god we trust” off the money, remove “under god” from the pledge of allegiance, start taxing churches, stop trying to divert my tax dollars to Christian schools, stop trying to put 10 commandments and the Bible in the public schools my taxes pay for, and stop using religion as a reason for passing laws that damage the lgbt community and women’s autonomy.

Then maybe we’ll “leave you alone.”

You'll wish you did.

 

[dbjork6317]

No. I'm not pro choice.

So here is another question. Why does a homosexual like you ever worry about the abortion thing? You'll never, you're partner will ever birth a child. Why is that so important? What do you gain if a young person aborts their baby?

How does abortion affect homos?

Lot of projection going on here

 

[Allornothing]

Ah yes, we need to leave you alone. We’ll be happy to - just take “in god we trust” off the money, remove “under god” from the pledge of allegiance, start taxing churches, stop trying to divert my tax dollars to Christian schools, stop trying to put 10 commandments and the Bible in the public schools my taxes pay for, and stop using religion as a reason for passing laws that damage the lgbt community and women’s autonomy.

Then maybe we’ll “leave you alone.”

So, you're going to be a PH***it until the day you die. Got it.

You hate this country a lot. You should really start looking at other places. I'll provide money to help you get there. Wherever you want to go you fvcking POS.

 

[Allornothing]

Lot of projection going on here

How so?

 

[dpic73]

So, you're going to be a PH***it until the day you die. Got it.

You hate this country a lot. You should really start looking at other places. I'll provide money to help you get there. Wherever you want to go you fvcking POS.

You are by far the worst human being on this board and it's not even close. You have no business attacking anyone else regarding their morality or beliefs when your only objective on this board is spewing your uneducated redneck venom. You're just nasty dude...

 

[Allornothing]

You are by far the worst human being on this board and it's not even close. You have no business attacking anyone else regarding their morality or beliefs when your only objective on this board is spewing your uneducated redneck venom. You're just nasty dude...

If you hurry you can get a reach around.

Smells like desperation.

You will see soon.

 

[dbjork6317]

So, you're going to be a PH***it until the day you die. Got it.

You hate this country a lot. You should really start looking at other places. I'll provide money to help you get there. Wherever you want to go you fvcking POS.

Deal. How much are you able to send?

 

[dpic73]

If you hurry you can get a reach around.

Smells like desperation.

You will see soon.

What will I see Hambone? You just keep confirming what we've been saying about MAGA all along. It's about hate and retribution, NOT making America Great Again. Just look at how you lick your chops at the thought of the misery you want to be inflicted on us. You're sick dude.

 

[Allornothing]

Deal. How much are you able to send?

depends on where you wanna go.

 

[okclem]

You've already stated that you were an Atheist/Agnostic. I'm not gonna try and convince you.

Why can't you folks just leave us alone? We don't need you! You produce nothing.

We earn and provide for our families. Every one of your policies suck. Just leave us alone. This was a great nation before you "educated" people sought to DESTROY it.

You are not going to like the alternative. I've got my popcorn. Bring it!

Take a lap, boy

 

[AugTig]

Ah yes, we need to leave you alone. We’ll be happy to - just take “in god we trust” off the money, remove “under god” from the pledge of allegiance, start taxing churches, stop trying to divert my tax dollars to Christian schools, stop trying to put 10 commandments and the Bible in the public schools my taxes pay for, and stop using religion as a reason for passing laws that damage the lgbt community and women’s autonomy.

Then maybe we’ll “leave you alone.”

Maybe one day you will realize how wrong you are. You are entitled to your views and opinions but forcing your garbage on everyone is not going to work. Why do you constantly bash everything involving the Christianity. Trying to justify your actions I suppose.

 

[okclem]

You'll wish you did.

Nobody is scared of you, cowboy. Or anyone like you.

 

[okclem]

Lot of projection going on here

Dude has definitely played a skin flute before. It's kind of obvious.

 

[DW4_2016]

How stupid are you?

Do you people take a class or something to get to this level of ignorance?

I stated my views. They are there for the world to see.

"Sounds like we’re both pro choice." NO! You're just to stupid to read.

two stupid.

 

[dbjork6317]

depends on where you wanna go.

I’m thinking 100k will do the trick. Then I can go pretty much wherever I want, quit my job while I work on getting a visa, etc. Is that worth it to you to have one less atheist in the country?