Time to ban children from churches?

[Orange&Purple]

I think separation of church and state is beneficial for both.

Jesus didn't live in a Christ centered nation and didn't seem to spend a bit of time worrying about that. I think Christians are absolutely damaging their witness by trying to convert people by force through the government, rather than by love for their neighbor, the broken, the vulnerable. A lot of Christian conservatives love to say trans is a mental illness, which if they really believe that is true, hard to believe Jesus would treat them like they do.

I think our definition of separation of Church and State is not at all what the Founding Fathers intended at all.

Jesus spent more time with the “world” than he did with religious leaders and that’s He said in Matthew to go into all the world…so I’d say he did spend time worrying about getting the Gospel message out (we may be talking about different things on that).

While I completely agree that Christians do more harm than good at times with their messaging, the absolute fact is that Christians needs to stand on Biblical truth and confront sin, not condemn the sinners…you can’t accept everything and make everyone think everything is okay. If everything is okay then why did Christ die on the Cross?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

This we agree on! And I don’t want Government involved in the Church, I want the Church involved in Government

Have no issues with involved. But i think it is frustrating that Christians seem to be very keen when in government in legislating their morals when its something someone else shouldn't do (according to them, not public good things like murder lol), but then don't seem to follow a lot of the other morals in the bible when it comes to caring for the least of these, caring for the orphan/widow, feeding the hungry

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I think our definition of separation of Church and State is not at all what the Founding Fathers intended at all.

Jesus spent more time with the “world” than he did with religious leaders and that’s He said in Matthew to go into all the world…so I’d say he did spend time worrying about getting the Gospel message out (we may be talking about different things on that).

While I completely agree that Christians do more harm than good at times with their messaging, the absolute fact is that Christians needs to stand on Biblical truth and confront sin, not condemn the sinners…you can’t accept everything and make everyone think everything is okay. If everything is okay then why did Christ die on the Cross?

I don't remember Jesus spending all his time at the dinners with tax collectors/prostitutes chiding them, making up insulting pet names for them, calling them demons, etc. Now if they asked how to enter the kingdom of heaven, no doubt he would've told them the way. Feels like he loved first, then the rest came later if they wanted in based on the love.

But basically, so many in my generation in particular grew up being told to love your neighbor as yourself, and then it feels like now, we're being told empathy is a sin. And seeing so many "Christians" around so filled with anger, absolutely to the brim. Maybe that's not you, so not meaning to make that personal. But so much anger, so much worried about "winning" and trolling, and all this stuff that straight up doesn't matter and does nothing but make everyone not like you already absolutely cringe and want nothing to do with the faith.

 

[Orange&Purple]

Have no issues with involved. But i think it is frustrating that Christians seem to be very keen when in government in legislating their morals when its something someone else shouldn't do (according to them, not public good things like murder lol), but then don't seem to follow a lot of the other morals in the bible when it comes to caring for the least of these, caring for the orphan/widow, feeding the hungry

Amen!

 

[Orange&Purple]

I don't remember Jesus spending all his time at the dinners with tax collectors/prostitutes chiding them, making up insulting pet names for them, calling them demons, etc. Now if they asked how to enter the kingdom of heaven, no doubt he would've told them the way. Feels like he loved first, then the rest came later if they wanted in based on the love.

But basically, so many in my generation in particular grew up being told to love your neighbor as yourself, and then it feels like now, we're being told empathy is a sin. And seeing so many "Christians" around so filled with anger, absolutely to the brim. Maybe that's not you, so not meaning to make that personal. But so much anger, so much worried about "winning" and trolling, and all this stuff that straight up doesn't matter and does nothing but make everyone not like you already absolutely cringe and want nothing to do with the faith.

I didn’t say all of His time.

I do think people believe Christians should be quiet and let everyone live their own “truth” and that is so much against everything Jesus taught. I agree that we were taught to love God and love people…and we have at times failed in that miserably.

 

[dbjork6317]

This we agree on! And I don’t want Government involved in the Church, I want the Church involved in Government

Which church?

 

[Orange&Purple]

Which church?

Well, the Church I’m talking about is not a specific denomination or organization but the people of God…Christians, followers of Jesus Christ. We need more Christian’s involved in Politics and in seats of authority. We need to get back to Biblical values and morality in this Country. We need to get back to being a Christian Nation.

 

[dbjork6317]

Well, the Church I’m talking about is not a specific denomination or organization but the people of God…Christians, followers of Jesus Christ. We need more Christian’s involved in Politics and in seats of authority. We need to get back to Biblical values and morality in this Country. We need to get back to being a Christian Nation.

Lol don’t Christians hold like every single seat of authority that exists in the united states?

 

[Orange&Purple]

Lol don’t Christians hold like every single seat of authority that exists in the united states?

Not hardly lol