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We don’t live in isolation of everyone else. I think we’re both agreed that an ascendant China is a serious threat to the United States. You’re gonna want friends to take them on.
Agreed. He was also in San Diego yesterday working on an agreement called the AUKUS pact with Australian and UK leaders that will serve to thwart China's Indo-Pacific ambitions.

 
The problem is the primary.

What we'll probably get is 6-7 candidates. Trump will have his block - let's say ~35% - and the rest will split the remaining 65%, who would probably go for most of them if 'their person' wasn't running. In other words, DeSantis voters who would go Haley with no issue but they like DeSantis 'just a little bit better' - yet they would still pick either Haley over Trump. I hope that makes some sense.

Unless we get a clear leader among those, no one else will get above 30% and Trump will get the nomination.
I can't support anyone that Mitch McConnel wants. Whoever that is, i'll vote for.

They're all on the same team, pretending to be on different teams. That's one of our many major issues. I don't want anyone who is a mega millionaire on tax payer salary telling us who "they want".
 
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Agreed. He was also in San Diego yesterday working on an agreement called the AUKUS pact with Australian and UK leaders that will serve to thwart China's Indo-Pacific ambitions.

Not just friends - we need areas to launch attacks from. Land bases that can't be sunk the way a carrier can.

I saw a video about this a few days ago. Probably not the most accurate thing in the world but it discussed a theoretical war game exercise involving China trying to invade Taiwan, and the ensuing battle. It is below, but I cannot speak to to how credible the exercise is.



Long story short - the US can win but we would (in the exercise) lose a lot of men, a lot of aircraft, and 1-2 carriers.

This is also why (until recent events made it unavoidable) it was a bad idea to make enemies with Russia. Russia's military isn't much but they do make good cannon fodder and distraction.
 
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The problem is the primary.

What we'll probably get is 6-7 candidates. Trump will have his block - let's say ~35% - and the rest will split the remaining 65%, who would probably go for most of them if 'their person' wasn't running. In other words, DeSantis voters who would go Haley with no issue but they like DeSantis 'just a little bit better' - yet they would still pick either Haley over Trump. I hope that makes some sense.

Unless we get a clear leader among those, no one else will get above 30% and Trump will get the nomination.

Yep. Need the candidates to consolidate early.
 
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From an anti Trump outfit.


I fear the U.S. is going to have to suffer through Trump/Biden II (a.k.a. Old or Older).

It's feeling inevitable, though I admit that a lot can change in 2 years.

 
Agreed. He was also in San Diego yesterday working on an agreement called the AUKUS pact with Australian and UK leaders that will serve to thwart China's Indo-Pacific ambitions.

That doesn't fit into the whole, "Biden is a weak, senile old man who doesn't have the strength to take on China" narrative that Donnie wants to share. On the other hand, bragging about the chocolate cake you shared with Xi is apparently to be commended, along with waltzing into North Korea to shake hands with Kim Jong whatever after Otto Warmbier got tortured to death by those pieces of shit. Donnie said that Kim told him he didn't know about it, and he'd take him at his word. Think about that, the same loser who thinks that his own countrymen are part of some cabal to rig elections against him is willing to take the dictator of flipping North Korea at his word.
 
Not just friends - we need areas to launch attacks from. Land bases that can't be sunk the way a carrier can.

I saw a video about this a few days ago. Probably not the most accurate thing in the world but it discussed a theoretical war game exercise involving China trying to invade Taiwan, and the ensuing battle. It is below, but I cannot speak to to how credible the exercise is.



Long story short - the US can win but we would (in the exercise) lose a lot of men, a lot of aircraft, and 1-2 carriers.

This is also why (until recent events made it unavoidable) it was a bad idea to make enemies with Russia. Russia's military isn't much but they do make good cannon fodder and distraction.
Russia has been set against the US long before recent events. Naive to think otherwise.
 
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That doesn't fit into the whole, "Biden is a weak, senile old man who doesn't have the strength to take on China" narrative that Donnie wants to share. On the other hand, bragging about the chocolate cake you shared with Xi is apparently to be commended, along with waltzing into North Korea to shake hands with Kim Jong whatever after Otto Warmbier got tortured to death by those pieces of shit. Donnie said that Kim told him he didn't know about it, and he'd take him at his word. Think about that, the same loser who thinks that his own countrymen are part of some cabal to rig elections against him is willing to take the dictator of flipping North Korea at his word.
As much flak as he takes, you really have to give the man credit for working his ass off. He might not talk good but his actions speak loudly that he cares about this country and it's security.

On the other hand, it really is remarkable that the Republican's favorite candidate hates 55% of the population more than foreign dictators that wish us harm. And it must be why the base loves him because it sure is hell aint because he's a great leader.
 
As much flak as he takes, you really have to give the man credit for working his ass off. He might not talk good but his actions speak loudly that he cares about this country and it's security.

On the other hand, it really is remarkable that the Republican's favorite candidate hates 55% of the population more than foreign dictators that wish us harm. And it must be why the base loves him because it sure is hell aint because he's a great leader.
I'm not even willing to go that far, but this notion that he's blind or weak is plainly ludicrous. Hell, it's not like he's doing the job alone anyway. Bill Burns is a very capable CIA director, you're getting input from the military people. Compare that to Donnie, who apparently knows more than everyone, "more than the generals" in fact (despite running from the Vietnam War).

It shouldn't need to be said, but boring isn't a bad thing. People rail against the "deep state," "the swamp," etc, but you put people in positions where they have a lot of experience and know what they're doing. Is it glamorous? No. Are they out of touch to one extent or another? Without a doubt. But compare that to the literal circus that was the Trump administration, running through AGs, running through Directors of National Intelligence, running through CIA heads, all because they got on Donnie's bad side for who knows what ridiculous reason (probably for having the audacity to disagree with him). You want to talk about putting the country at risk? The "deep state" these people despise has somehow coincided with the US being the most prosperous and strategically secure country in the history of the world. I wonder why. Make America Great Again? When wasn't it great exactly?

And then yeah, I said it in another thread, but being friends with the likes of Xi, Kim, Putin, and whatever the scumbag dictator flavor of the day is isn't a good thing, though I don't doubt it's a status Trump aspires to.
 
I disagree with that thought but we will see what happens. DeSantis is a challenge and if he wins the republican nomination then I will go and vote for him in the general. But in response to your statement telling him to bow out...why would he bow out at this time when he is comfortably ahead of the number two by a large margin?

DeSantis should not be a challenge with the record that Trump posted of accomplishment but between the covid attack on the world and 7x24 negative media and lies it has worn away some of Trump's support by people that are weary of the constant battles. I am not weary. I am steadfast in my support of the peoples leader Donald J Trump.
Fine.

I appreciated most of Trump when he wasn't acting like a petulant teenager, or younger.
You can THINK the things he said so often.
You CAN'T say them.

Battle lines will be even more divided this time around.
What a mess.....

God Save America.
 
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We don’t live in isolation of everyone else. I think we’re both agreed that an ascendant China is a serious threat to the United States. You’re gonna want friends to take them on.
We do not need to bend over for the EU and others to continue to be strategic partners. We are getting bled dry and abused with the current international structure related to NATO and some of the regional trade agreements in place and that needs to stop. How much money has the rest of NATO sent to Ukraine?

With your high IQ I am sure you realize that we are borrowing the money to send to Ukraine and basically every other dollar spent on anything? Get ready to see more inflation in a bad way.
 
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DeSantis mimicking Trump stance on the Ukraine War. Good strategy on his part to mimick Trump on all policy issues and offer himself as a better person who will get the same results.

 
We do not need to bend over for the EU and others to continue to be strategic partners. We are getting bled dry and abused with the current international structure related to NATO and some of the regional trade agreements in place and that needs to stop. How much money has the rest of NATO sent to Ukraine?

With your high IQ I am sure you realize that we are borrowing the money to send to Ukraine and basically every other dollar spent on anything? Get ready to see more inflation in a bad way.
Absolutely, but I think Trump went too far in the other direction and was on his way to burning bridges.

The Baltic countries have sent an absurd amount of aid to Ukraine compared to their defense budgets. Poland has also stepped up big time. As it concerns the other states, they're waking up now to the threat that Russia presents to Europe. And yeah, we sent a hell of a lot more than them, and that grants us influence and power. What you're suggesting will achieve the opposite. You know how we gained so much influence over Western Europe in the first place? We joined the war and spent billions rebuilding Europe afterwards. Same with Japan. You would have bombed them and said, "We can't be spending billions on Japan when we can help people back home!" only to cry later when they wound up in the Soviet sphere.

The fraction of the entire federal budget we're "sending" to Ukraine isn't going to have any meaningful impact on inflation compared to trillion dollars in spending elsewhere. In any event, sending military equipment that's already been paid for sure as hell isn't going to. Inflation in the US is actually down since the war started. But by all means, continue to argue with me. It's enjoyable watching you make a fool of yourself
 
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Absolutely, but I think Trump went too far in the other direction and was on his way to burning bridges.

The Baltic countries have sent an absurd amount of aid to Ukraine compared to their defense budgets. Poland has also stepped up big time. As it concerns the other states, they're waking up now to the threat that Russia presents to Europe. And yeah, we sent a hell of a lot more than them, and that grants us influence and power. What you're suggesting will achieve the opposite. You know how we gained so much influence over Western Europe in the first place? We joined the war and spent billions rebuilding Europe afterwards. Same with Japan. You would have bombed them and said, "We can't be spending billions on Japan when we can help people back home!" only to cry later when they wound up in the Soviet sphere.

The fraction of the entire federal budget we're "sending" to Ukraine isn't going to have any meaningful impact on inflation compared to trillion dollars in spending elsewhere. In any event, sending military equipment that's already been paid for sure as hell isn't going to. Inflation in the US is actually down since the war started. But by all means, continue to argue with me. It's enjoyable watching you make a fool of yourself
You are a snarky sob and wrong most of the time. In no way shape or form is inflation down. Additionally Trump's record of international relations and deals is far superior to anything in the last 30 years minimum so you can think what you want but facts are facts. The equipment and money the US is sending to Ukraine is not free and its not surplus so go ahead an get rid of that rationalization for this fiasco. Just like Trump and now DeSantis are now both saying, the Russian Ukraine border dispute is not a threat to US National Security and that we should only be working toward a ceasefire and peace agreement. Ukraine is not the 51st state.

The only vital interest in the Ukraine is for the traitor globalist commiecrats currently running our occupied nation. They want a world government and taking down Russia is part of that plan. This entire fiasco has been manipulated for over 10 years to put us to this current point and its easy to see that for someone that does not have their eyes closed. Putin is not a nice guy but he is not onboard with a globalist world government.
 
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“Fear,” he wrote, “obscures reason, intensifies emotions and makes it easier for demagogic politicians to mobilize the public on behalf of the policies they want to pursue.”

You, Gov. DeSantis, have stoked the fears of your legislative colleagues. With your unremitting attacks on the constitutionally guaranteed personal rights of the governed, you are leading the way to dangerous territory.

Many now implore you to focus on the basic roles of government — to govern the least, to use your bully pulpit for the good of the citizenry, to not invoke the police powers of the state to casually take away our rights.

We further implore you to go back and study those who led the way for such freedoms and cast aside those who would diminish them.

Remember, you are the governor. Not a despot. Not a king. Not the leader of a cabal. Real power, Gov. DeSantis, rests with the people"


 
Imagine being mad that we don't want to go to war and fund these billionaires and make them richer. If only we had someone who actually brought peace to the east or at the very least, doesn't like senseless wars.
 
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Imagine being mad that we don't want to go to war and fund these billionaires and make them richer. If only we had someone who actually brought peace to the east or at the very least, doesn't like senseless wars.
Imagine not caring about a fellow, friendly democracy being invaded by a dictator that has designs on re-establishing former Soviet borders and possibly beyond. Imagine standing idly by while that unprovoked invasion resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians - women, children and the elderly, with many also being raped and tortured while their cities are wiped off the map. Imagine not wanting to help that friendly nation while also declaring war on Mickey Mouse and all things "woke" here at home. Imagine changing your stance on helping that nation by using poll tested answers, in order to find favor with a base that also cares more about owning the libs than democracy here or abroad.
 
A lot of the liberals on this board should be happy. It looks like Donald Trump is going to run for president this time as a Democrat. At least that's what it looks like based on the things he's saying right now. Of course that's just a revelation of who he truly was all along. He's a big spending, big government kind of guy. He appears to be attacking all his opponents from the left rather than the right. Real man of genius there.
 
Imagine not caring about a fellow, friendly democracy being invaded by a dictator that has designs on re-establishing former Soviet borders and possibly beyond. Imagine standing idly by while that unprovoked invasion resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians - women, children and the elderly, with many also being raped and tortured while their cities are wiped off the map. Imagine not wanting to help that friendly nation while also declaring war on Mickey Mouse and all things "woke" here at home. Imagine changing your stance on helping that nation by using poll tested answers, in order to find favor with a base that also cares more about owning the libs than democracy here or abroad.
Whats your age? You can go over there and join the Ukraine Army at any point if you feel that strongly. You can also just liquidate your assets and send it to them at anytime.
 
Whats your age? You can go over there and join the Ukraine Army at any point if you feel that strongly. You can also just liquidate your assets and send it to them at anytime.
We aren't using our military dillweed. Let's be real here - in the past this effort would have been 100% supported by the Republican wing of the Govt. and the ONLY reason it's not now with the MAGAloons is because of Trump's love for Putin, which means you love him too. It's really that simple and that stupid.
 
We aren't using our military dillweed. Let's be real here - in the past this effort would have been 100% supported by the Republican wing of the Govt. and the ONLY reason it's not now with the MAGAloons is because of Trump's love for Putin, which means you love him too. It's really that simple and that stupid.
Americans are going over there and fighting on a daily basis on their own and anyone including you is free to do that. You can also liquidate and send them money if you want.

Once again, I have my own viewpoints and they just happen to align for the most part with Trump so i am with him. My guy before Trump was Ron Paul so that should give you a hint.
 
Americans are going over there and fighting on a daily basis on their own and anyone including you is free to do that. You can also liquidate and send them money if you want.

Once again, I have my own viewpoints and they just happen to align for the most part with Trump so i am with him. My guy before Trump was Ron Paul so that should give you a hint.
That's just the thing though - if Trump was FOR supporting the war, you would be too....
 
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Well, we do need to find ways to cut spending on SS and Medicare. Raising eligibility age makes great sense. What’s Trump’s plan? Or will he continue his democrat approach of big spending and big deficits?
Bold of you to assume his thinking extends beyond surface-level sound bites that appeal to the lowest common denominator, which goes for a lot of Democrats as well.
 
Well, we do need to find ways to cut spending on SS and Medicare. Raising eligibility age makes great sense. What’s Trump’s plan? Or will he continue his democrat approach of big spending and big deficits?
You have a good point on this subject. I would not be against raising the retirement age.
 
Well, we do need to find ways to cut spending on SS and Medicare. Raising eligibility age makes great sense. What’s Trump’s plan? Or will he continue his democrat approach of big spending and big deficits?

Trump is a Democrat in terms of his political philosophy. He always has been. He will not do anything about these issues and really until both sides agree that we have a massive problem to deal with there can be no path to a resolution that will solidify these programs going forward. Both sides are not going to agree to this until there's a massive crisis the likes of which we've never seen before. That's just the way things work these days in this hyperpartisan age.

Anyone that wants to take a fiscally sensible approach to all of our problems would be demagogued into oblivion. There are some very simple solutions that would resolve all these problems almost immediately and get income going in the right direction almost immediately and lower our deficit dramatically almost immediately but no one would have the courage to actually say these things. It's not a complicated problem at all.

We could even provide better care in terms of our health care system without going to a government-based single payer solution but yet cover every single American with equivalent care options while restoring our medical system to its former glory.
 
I always get a chuckle out of people suggesting we raise the retirement age. That’s exactly what needs to happen - a bunch of upper 60s/70s year old people still working.
 

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s donors and supporters are beginning to question if the potential 2024 Republican presidential candidate should run in the next election cycle — a bid that would put him against former President Donald Trump — or wait until 2028, according to reports.
 
his handlers are probably terrified of him going on stage against Trump and getting emasculated like lil rubio
 
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I always get a chuckle out of people suggesting we raise the retirement age. That’s exactly what needs to happen - a bunch of upper 60s/70s year old people still working.

You can still retire whenever you want. We just need to raise the age when the government starts giving you money. Life expectancy is up 10 years on average since Medicare was enacted. That and SS were never meant to support people for so long.

But if you plan and save, you can retire free of government support as early as you like. That’s what I will do.
 
You can still retire whenever you want. We just need to raise the age when the government starts giving you money. Life expectancy is up 10 years on average since Medicare was enacted. That and SS were never meant to support people for so long.

But if you plan and save, you can retire free of government support as early as you like. That’s what I will do.
Idk, the average lifespan of your average trucker is like 61 years old, and your average blue collar worker has an average lifespan of around 63 years currently. I imagine these are the people that benefit from SS the most, and not the white collar/managerial/executive level which has an average lifespan of 72ish years. I don't know the answer, but cutting SS funding to the people that need it the most isn't the answer, but neither is continuing to do nothing about it.
 
Idk, the average lifespan of your average trucker is like 61 years old, and your average blue collar worker has an average lifespan of around 63 years currently. I imagine these are the people that benefit from SS the most, and not the white collar/managerial/executive level which has an average lifespan of 72ish years. I don't know the answer, but cutting SS funding to the people that need it the most isn't the answer, but neither is continuing to do nothing about it.

Kinda crazy that life expectancy varies that much. Who is pulling up the average to 76 then?

But the answer to that disparity is to solve for why it exists. Diet, self care, obesity, etc. Or is it actually job related and can that be addressed. Or are there actually plenty of truckers living well into retirement, but enough die early enough to drag down the average. But I don’t think you allow the entire system to continue to suffer and not sustain itself.

I still think a big part of the equation is moving SS and Medicare eligibility to 70. That will do a ton to help the math.
 
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