Trump 2024
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Is that all you got? He does more in one day than Biden does in a week. Now your lib judges are hitting him with gag orders, I’m impressed he can make a speech with all the BS he has to deal with.
TDS has you by your gender parts.
Oh no Tiglarella, I've got something for you too! I just saw that they sell a new combo supplement made from gingko biloba and Midol, which is the perfect pill for dumb pussies like you. You should save some of that Trump donation cash and buy you a bottle stat!
Let me know if you need more tips!
Bet you won’t call me that to my face. Here’s another bet for you. When DJT wins in 2024, you find another hobby and not post for a year. If he loses, I won’t ever post on this board again. The only stipulation is that he is alive for the election. I don’t put anything past the liberal left. I pray to God nothing happens to President Trump. He’s not going to jail and when he runs, he’s going to win in a landslide while overcoming the cheating.
Do you accept either bet or both?
“This is not about whether I like the language Mr. Trump uses… This is about language that presents a danger to the administration of justice. His presidential candidacy does not give him carte blanche to vilify public servants who are simply doing their jobs. “Mr. Trump is a criminal defendant. He is facing four felony charges. He is under the supervision of the criminal justice system and he must follow his conditions of release… When you start to use a word like ‘thug’ to describe a prosecutor doing their job, that wouldn’t be allowed by any other criminal defendant… Just because the defendant is running a political campaign does not allow him to do whatever he wants.”
Saw this the other day. Good perspective. “Didn’t like the messenger, so they killed the message.”
That tweet is completely unrelated to the point Chamath made, which is pretty much par for the course in political discourse.
That saying is at the heart of politics in this current era of extreme discourse. Each side has dehumanized the other (through a constant daily barrage of media) to the point that anything from the other side is "fake news". The flip side of that sayin is just as dangerous "love the messenger, so worship the message".
The reason I have never voted for Trump is that in 2015 I viewed him as someone that would bring out the worst in both bases: extreme hate and blind devotion. Politics by nature is divisive and stokes fears, and a guy like Trump is the cumulative result of about 30 years of increasing discourse. We need leadership that is forward-looking and not trying to own the other side.
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He was making the point that Trump got it all right.
Zaleski's point was that he absolutely did not and there was good reason to toss the messenger whose negatives FAR exceeded his positives.
He didn't say Trump got it all right. He did say he and his administration got many things right, which were tossed because of the messenger. Again, let's just be accurate and political discourse can improve.
Point taken - he didn't say "all" but he ended it with "When are we gonna stop shooting ourselves in the foot?”
All presidents do "some" good things but "shooting ourselves in the foot" is a strange way of saying we did the wrong thing by voting out the most corrupt, divisive president in our nation's history.
Sorry, but it sickens me when people try to re-write his history by only pointing to a handful of accomplishments while disregarding the reasons he was curb-stomped at the end.
Geez man. You keep doing the same thing. “Shooting ourselves in the foot” doesn’t mean not re-electing Trump. The incongruent logic leaps you take force you down false paths. This is a recurring them with your arguments as well as general political discourse.
He is saying that they shot themselves in the foot by not supporting the parts of the administration that were good. Nothing about keeping Trump in power, unless there is some part of the interview I missed.
We'll never see totally eye to eye, though I respect you more than the other Pubs on this board, but damn, what a sweeping statement to make about my general discourse.
You might have missed it when I said I agreed with having a wall as a first line of defense and maybe Trump could have gotten that done if he didn't spend his entire day bashing Democrats on the twit and saying Mexico would pay for it in order to get elected. If you spend the majority of your time attacking the other party and constantly lying and whining, why would they ever want to work with you?
As far as the other comments Chamath made, I don't know what he's talking about and don't care to research it.
I shouldn't have lumped all of your commentary into that bucket. You do make rational points and while I come from a different perspective, we probably agree on more things than not. But this has emerged as a real problem and I was already annoyed by it for something else yesterday. Yesterday's example:
- Nikky Haley says we should be sympathetic to innocent civilians.
- Twitter misinformers equate that to, "Nikki Haley wants to import 1M Palestinian refugees to the US!"
- Twitter idiots retweet, "Can you believe this?!!?!??! Nikki Haley wants to bring millions of Palestinian refugees to the US!!!!" (see Growls exchange in another thread)
This isn't completely unlike what I was annoyed with in your post:
- Chamath generally states that the Trump administration was right on certain topics and did some good things, and that "we" shot ourselves in the foot by destroying the message because we didn't like the messenger.
- You equated that to, "we did the wrong thing by voting out the most corrupt, divisive president in our nation's history."
- No offense, but that's an example of the same issue as the Haley example above. Taking a statement, transfiguring into something that it's not, then attacking it.
This pattern in political discourse needs to stop.
Understood and if you've followed me you know it matters to me to get things right and I rarely ever say anything I don't have backup for. I'm not gonna lie though, if it's a post coming from Growls, I'm immediately suspicious of it and more likely to jump to conclusions - which is what I did here and I shouldn't have.
Speaking of the Haley misinformation, it appears that was originally started by DeSantis
"On Monday on Fox News Radio, DeSantis accused Haley of catering to “elites,” and his campaign on X mischaracterized her response as “openness to admitting Gaza refugees to the US” – something she has said she opposes. DeSantis himself could not identify anyone pushing for the US to take in Palestinian refugees, telling CBS News on Sunday, “I think some on the far left have said this.”
But that hasn’t stopped Never Back Down, a DeSantis-allied super PAC, from featuring Haley’s remarks in a new ad airing in Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as on national television and streaming services. SFA Inc., a super PAC backing Haley, accused Never Back Down of misrepresenting her record out of desperation.
Haley, who has leaned on her background as Trump’s UN ambassador during this period of international tumult, told Fox News on Tuesday that “Hamas-sympathizing countries should take these Gazans now.”
DeSantis, who draws from his experience serving in the Navy during the Iraq War, said Haley had “flipped.” Asked about DeSantis’ criticism of her, Haley told Fox, “I’ve always said we shouldn’t take any Gazan refugees in the US.”
New Poll Shows Trump Beating Joe Biden in Nearly Every Swing State in 2024
New Poll Shows Trump Beating Joe Biden in Nearly Every Swing State in 2024 | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance
A new poll from Bloomberg and Morning Consult shows Donald Trump beating Joe Biden in more than half a dozen crucial swing states in 2024.
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Holy Shiite.
That is some batshit level stuff there. It’s no wonder that 40+ of his former direct reports have gone on record saying that he should never hold office again.
“I Dream of That. I’d Hit Him in His Fake Nose. There’d Be Plastic All Over the Floor” – Trump on Old Joe Biden’s Threats (VIDEO)
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"I Dream of That. I'd Hit Him in His Fake Nose. There'd Be Plastic All Over the Floor" - Trump on Old Joe Biden's Threats (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
President Trump had the crowd roaring in laughter in Derry, New Hampshire on Monday.
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Welcome back to sanity.
Former NYT Reporter: Americans Seeing Trump Was Right, Coming Out of 'Woke Slumber'
Former New York Times reporter Bari Weiss sees a "political awakening" happening in the U.S. following the terrorist attacks in Israel.
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Former NYT Reporter: Americans Seeing Trump Was Right, Coming Out of 'Woke Slumber'
Former New York Times reporter Bari Weiss sees a "political awakening" happening in the U.S. following the terrorist attacks in Israel.
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Former NYT Reporter: Americans Seeing Trump Was Right, Coming Out of ‘Woke Slumber’
By Randy DeSoto, The Western Journal Oct. 24, 2023 6:01 pmFormer New York Times reporter Bari Weiss sees a “political awakening” happening in the United States, contending that the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks in Israel have spurred the change.
Weiss made the argument in a Monday piece that she co-wrote with Oliver Wiseman for The Free Press.
“Here’s an example of what we mean: a friend, appalled at the equivocation and apologia in the West after the brutal Hamas killings, told one of us that he used to consider himself a ‘conscientious objector’ in the culture wars. ‘Not anymore,’ he said. October 7 changed that,” the commentators wrote.
“Liberal friends were suddenly talking about buying guns. Progressive friends were texting about topics like border security and immigration. In a whisper, one even admitted to watching Fox News,” Weiss and Wiseman added.
They cited comments billionaire venture capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya made last week on the “All In” he co-hosts during which he asserted that seeing all the chaos in the country and the world convinced him former President Donald Trump was right about many things.
Palihapitiya noted he voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020.
“As a Democrat who has been left homeless, who is now definitely in the center but probably leaning increasingly right, I am left yet again with an appreciation, despite the messenger, of the message of the Trump administration because what those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight,” he said.
He pointed to the Abraham Accords between Israel and the Persian Gulf states of the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain as an example.
Palihapitiya continued saying, “So much of the work that happened in that administration turns out to have been right. And that’s what is so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right.”
“Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message,” the podcast host said.
“When are we gonna stop shooting ourselves in the foot? And when are we going to actually see and take the time to look past who is saying things and actually listen to them word for word?” Palihapitiya asked.
Weiss and Wiseman also cited Konstantin Kisin in a column he wrote for The Free Press, titled “The Day the Delusions Died” regarding the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks.
“The events of the last week have shattered the illusion that wokeness is about protecting victims and standing up for persecuted minorities. This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power,” he argued.
“A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one,” Kisin added.
“Many people woke up on October 7 sympathetic to parts of woke ideology and went to bed that evening questioning how they had signed on to a worldview that had nothing to say about the mass rape and murder of innocent people by terrorists,” Kisin wrote.
Weiss founded The Free Press after famously resigning as a columnist from The New York Times in June 2020, citing an “illiberal” and “hostile” work environment.
“Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity — let alone risk-taking — is now a liability at The Times,” she wrote in her resignation letter.
Weiss explained that self-censorship had become the norm among the writers, with job security only best guaranteed by publishing the “4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world.”
She posted shortly before resigning that there was a civil war going on at the Times.
“The civil war inside The New York Times between the (mostly young) wokes the (mostly 40+) liberals is the same one raging inside other publications and companies across the country. The dynamic is always the same,” she wrote.
“The Old Guard lives by a set of principles we can broadly call civil libertarianism. They assumed they shared that worldview with the young people they hired who called themselves liberals and progressives. But it was an incorrect assumption,” Weiss added.
“I’ve been mocked by many people over the past few years for writing about the campus culture wars,” she recounted.
“They told me it was a sideshow. But this was always why it mattered: The people who graduated from those campuses would rise to power inside key institutions and transform them.”
This article appeared originally on The Western Journal.
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