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It just befuddles me that they can't see it's not a rigged system that stymies their candidates, it's the candidates themselves. Remember when James Carville said "It's the economy stupid?" I believe that still applies unless you're running terrible candidates. They could have easily had that red wave if they understood that now "It's the candidate stupid."
You mean a candidate like Hilary Clinton?
 
I agree on abortion. But I don't think the SC has anything to do with it anymore. SC struck down Roe because it was a far reaching interpretation that effectively created our abortion laws. That's not how the SC is supposed to operate. Congress is supposed to pass laws.

The GOP needs to put forth a plan that protects right to choose for rape/incest/health, protects contraception, then lets states choose the maximum week threshold for voluntary abortions somewhere in the 12-16 week window (aligned with EU countries).
I would totally agree with this but the dems would never agree to such a thing those radicals are all or nothing.
 
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Wrong. There are plenty of Christian who vote for democrats that is a false narrative.

Christian does not necessarily equal religious right, nor does Christian equal abortion voters. I'm Christian, but would not consider myself part of the religious right and I have never, ever considered abortion as a factor when I go to vote.
 
Christian does not necessarily equal religious right, nor does Christian equal abortion voters. I'm Christian, but would not consider myself part of the religious right and I have never, ever considered abortion as a factor when I go to vote.
To the dems on this board there is no difference. If you don’t believe me look no further than a few threads on this very board. You may feel that way but the dems don’t.
 
I believe, people don't want to vote for a republican because of the Church thing. It's really weird to me, but that's just me. I know several people under 40 who think Republicans are "all about forcing church". Regardless, that's their perception. I think that hurts them more than anything.

This is just my opinion, but I think we have a few groups of people in this country. Not how you vote, but how you feel, pers se. Because we all know, you only have two options to vote.

#1-Extreme Left- think LGBQT should be normal, and guys can have babies, and let's turn this country communist. Antifa supporters. Ban all guns. Think segregation still exist and woman can't vote or be CEO's. Think government tells no lies and is truly here to protect them.

#2- Classic Liberal- Believe in big Government. Support Weed and generally speaking, don't have an issue with it. Gun Control crowd.

#3- Midde Crowd- For lack of a better term, let's call these the middle crowd. Everyone you talk to seems to reside here. Everyone "is an independent" in this crowd. The don't care about weed, don't care about church, live and let live. Absolutely do not relate to Extreme liberals and Antifa, but also are far from your church crowd, reading bibles at night.

#4- Classic Republican- Believe in God and that morals that lead this country. Really big Constitutional crowd, who will not budge on anything the founding fathers wrote in the constitution. Small government, and absolutely no government overreach. Don't trust the Government.

#5- Extreme right. Bible should still be taught in school. Think governments are out to get them and will show up to march in the January 6th crowd.


Most people reside in crowd #2, #3 and #4 IMO. However, the media tells us only #1 and #5 exist. They tell us we have two options, and when it comes voting time, guess what we have? #1 or #5... pick your poison.

Not sure what to make of all this, but again, the main issue is the candidate. Until the Rs get over this need to promote authoritarian hatemongers, you will not win. Also, LGBT is not extreme and should fall in #3 above. The majority of Americans approve of gay marriage and the Senate is expected to pass a bill today to protect it with 62 votes. Most Democrats do not care if a candidate is religious but we are very much opposed to religious influenced legislation. For example, someone like Pence wouldn't stand a chance either, not because he's religious but because of his extreme views that inform his platform.
 
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I wasn’t talking about abortion. I was talking about how most dems on this board view Christians.

I generally have voted democrat. I am an active Christian and am on staff at a Church. I know many,many Christians who are fairly liberal. Christianity is a very large umbrella with a lot of variance amongst different denominations.
 
Not sure what to make of all this, but again, the main issue is the candidate. Until the Rs get over this need to promote authoritarian hatemongers, you will not win. Also, LGBT is not extreme and should fall in #3 above. The majority of Americans approve of gay marriage and the Senate is expected to pass a bill today to protect it with 62 votes. Most Democrats do not care if a candidate is religious but we are very much opposed to religious influenced legislation. For example, someone like Pence wouldn't stand a chance either, not because he's religious but because of his extreme views that inform his platform.

Exactly. It's not being Christian, it's being extreme in their views.
 
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You mean a candidate like Hilary Clinton?

Not our best candidate but she still won the popular vote for by 3 million votes. And if Comey didn't re-open the email investigation right before the election, she probably would have won the Electoral College as well.
 
I generally have voted democrat. I am an active Christian and am on staff at a Church. I know many,many Christians who are fairly liberal. Christianity is a very large umbrella with a lot of variance amongst different denominations.
Oh I agree but if you read a certain thread on this very board you would see where I am coming from.
 
Not our best candidate but she still won the popular vote for by 3 million votes. And if Comey didn't re-open the email investigation right before the election, she probably would have won the Electoral College as well.
Haha you sound like Tigergrowls with his conspiracy theories. 😂
 
Haha you sound like Tigergrowls with his conspiracy theories. 😂

There is a slight difference ein that one is supposition based on facts that actually happened and can be debated.

One is just complete and total bullshit that blames nefarious people and claims some grand scheme was undertaken by shadow characters to conspire to steal the election from the American people.
 
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Haha you sound like Tigergrowls with his conspiracy theories. 😂
Dude, it's not a conspiracy and it was widely agreed that this affected the vote. She was up by 7 points in the polls before that

Why is your side so upset about Hunter's laptop being suppressed unless you believe negative pre-election news could have an effect on voting patterns?

Why did Trump pay off two porn stars to suppress their stories before the 2016 election?
 
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There is a slight difference ein that one is supposition based on facts that actually happened and can be debated.

One is just complete and total bullshit that blames nefarious people and claims some grand scheme was undertaken by shadow characters to conspire to steal the election from the American people.
There are always excuses when your candidate loses right? 😂 Tigergrowls has his and so do y’all. Neither can except the outcome. It’s really sad and kinda pathetic really.
 
There are always excuses when your candidate loses right? 😂 Tigergrowls has his and so do y’all. Neither can except the outcome. It’s really sad and kinda pathetic really.
I remember when dems said if Trump won it would be because he stole it. They were prepared to do (say) the same.

That's not a conspiracy theory.

Why does everyone in professional politics think the elections can be stolen, but the people who aren't in politics think they're completely safe and can't be. Talk about wild....
 
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There are always excuses when your candidate loses right? 😂 Tigergrowls has his and so do y’all. Neither can except the outcome. It’s really sad and kinda pathetic really.
No comparison because we did "accept" the outcome and nobody thought the votes were fraudulent. However, she did have a good case that the election was improperly influenced by Russian social media meddling and Comey re-opening her email investigation. That was the case she was making, she was NOT saying the votes were fraudulent.
 
I remember when dems said if Trump won it would be because he stole it. They were prepared to do the same.

That's not a conspiracy theory.

Why does everyone in politics think the elections can be stolen, but the people who aren't in politics they they're completely safe and can't be. Talk about wild....
? Proof?
 
I'll have to go back and find it. But I specifically saw a montage of CNN and a bunch of democrats saying the same thing prior. I know it won't be on google, lol. I'll find it.
 
I'll have to go back and find it. But I specifically saw a montage of CNN and a bunch of democrats saying the same thing prior. I know it won't be on google, lol. I'll find it.
I don't know any Democrats that said that and I know a LOT of them. We thought he would be terrible for the country and we were right, but there was no pre-election conspiracy that he would steal it. You're making sh*t up.
 
I don't know any Democrats that said that and I know a LOT of them. We thought he would be terrible for the country and we were right, but there was no pre-election conspiracy that he would steal it. You're making sh*t up.
not "everyday people". Professional democrats. I'm certainly not making that up. I'll find it.

You know, the stuff you say sounds like the stuff I say to you. I think you're making sh!t up almost every time as well. Funny how that works 😂
 
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I don't know any Democrats that said that and I know a LOT of them. We thought he would be terrible for the country and we were right, but there was no pre-election conspiracy that he would steal it. You're making sh*t up.
I told you I didnt make this up.... You have to quit watching the same news channel that's lying to you my man. Every politician thinks Elections can be stolen, but the American Citizen thinks they're completely safe. Even other countries are warning of stolen elections, but American citizens call them crazy. And we don't even live there! Somebody is wrong...

I'm surprised YouTube hasn't deleted it.


 
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I don't know any Democrats that said that and I know a LOT of them. We thought he would be terrible for the country and we were right, but there was no pre-election conspiracy that he would steal it. You're making sh*t up.
Here's another one....

Vote so Trump can't steal it.....

 
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I don't know any Democrats that said that and I know a LOT of them. We thought he would be terrible for the country and we were right, but there was no pre-election conspiracy that he would steal it. You're making sh*t up.
last one I promise....

This rhetoric isn't dangerous? To say he not legitimate?


 
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not "everyday people". Professional democrats. I'm certainly not making that up. I'll find it.

You know, the stuff you say sounds like the stuff I say to you. I think you're making sh!t up almost every time as well. Funny how that works 😂
Except for the annoying little fact that the things I say can be proven..................
 
Except for the annoying little fact that the things I say can be proven..................
You said I was making that up. I wasn't. See why I struggle to believe you? You think im just grabbing stuff from nowehere?
 
I told you I didnt make this up.... You have to quit watching the same news channel that's lying to you my man. Every politician thinks Elections can be stolen, but the American Citizen thinks they're completely safe. Even other countries are warning of stolen elections, but American citizens call them crazy. And we don't even live there! Somebody is wrong...

I'm surprised YouTube hasn't deleted it.


This didn't prove a damn thing. This was post-election theories, NOT a pre-election theory that Trump would steal the election.
 
You said I was making that up. I wasn't. See why I struggle to believe you? You think im just grabbing stuff from nowehere?
But none of those videos proved your allegation. These were all made post-election.
 
This didn't prove a damn thing. This was post-election theories, NOT a pre-election theory that Trump would steal the election.
Semantics. That was a quick YT search of Dems claiming the election was stolen. I thought they were the most secure thing ever?

It's ok to say, yeah we thought he stole it man. That's Trump people say. At least they stand and admit that. The dems thought that too, but oddly are trying to pretend as if they didnt. That's strange.
 
It's ok to say, yeah we thought he stole it man. That's Trump people say. At least they stand and admit that. The dems thought that too, but oddly are trying to pretend as if they didnt. That's strange.
Already addressed this above

No comparison because we did "accept" the outcome and nobody thought the votes were fraudulent. However, she did have a good case that the election was improperly influenced by Russian social media meddling and Comey re-opening her email investigation. That was the case she was making, she was NOT saying the votes were fraudulent.
 
You believe elections cannot be stolen? Are you on record as saying such?
We don't have any evidence of an American Presidential election being stolen and the examples of real fraud are insignificant in the grand scheme. Remember, you tend to be more of a conspiracy theorist than a realist so I probably won't be able to convince you one way or the other, but it would be incredibly difficult to steal an election in the United States.
 
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No doubt, its extremely simple. Just put me in the group that says "Nobody is beating a Democrat, regardless of who you elect".

To me, the only thing I want to accomplish is I just want to show the Republicans how small their base really is or how big the Trump support really is. Either way, we're not the same people.
That's crazy talk man... And it's wrong. ANY President BUT Trump would have been reelected in 2020 and it wouldn't have been close. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut, Look serious, and let the COVID folks (that HE PICKED) do the talking. The country doesn't like to change leadership in a crisis. But Trump's got a mouth on him, and it runs A LOT. And when it does run, it's usually talking about how great Trump is...even when things are going badly. He quite literally talked himself right out of reelection.

In fact, more people are registered Republicans or lean Republican in the 4th quarter of this year than are Dems or lean Democratic according to this Gallop poll:


The bottom line here from that article is that number swings back and forth, but is never more than a few points difference between the two.

If the Republicans can put out even a decent Candidate, he or she will win easily in 2024. As an example... Hogan... the ex governor of Maryland would absolutely kick Biden's ass. But I can't see him winning b/c he's WAY too moderate in a party Dominated by ultra conservative folks. I'm actually stunned that Biden got the nod from Dems for the same reason.
 
No comparison because we did "accept" the outcome and nobody thought the votes were fraudulent. However, she did have a good case that the election was improperly influenced by Russian social media meddling and Comey re-opening her email investigation. That was the case she was making, she was NOT saying the votes were fraudulent.
So you mean all those dem tv personalities who said they would move to Canada “accepted it” ok pal you are as delusional as tigergrowl 🤣
 
So you mean all those dem tv personalities who said they would move to Canada “accepted it” ok pal you are as delusional as tigergrowl 🤣
No idea who you're talking about but apparently, we have two different definitions of "accept." I don't know a soul that didn't believe the votes were real, but to your point, there were plenty of people that didn't approve of his election. In that context, not approving is what you're calling "not accepting". These two things are not alike.
 
No idea who you're talking about but apparently, we have two different definitions of "accept." I don't know a soul that didn't believe the votes were real, but to your point, there were plenty of people that didn't approve of his election. In that context, not approving is what you're calling "not accepting". These two things are not alike.
So you are implying that saying you will move to Canada if trump won is accepting the result? 😂 Ok big guy can’t argue with delusion. I am pretty sure you know the people who made such claims unless you were living under a rock.
 
So you are implying that saying you will move to Canada if trump won is accepting the result? 😂 Ok big guy can’t argue with delusion. I am pretty sure you know the people who made such claims unless you were living under a rock.
Pffft, don't people on both sides say that after every election? I seriously doubt most go through with it because we all know they're mostly blowing steam - nothing more.
 
People were upset Trump won, people were surprised that Trump won since polling was fairly heavily towards Clinton.

I never heard anyone I know even suggest that he didn't win the election. People mentioned the popular vote and not liking the electoral college, but nobody thought the votes weren't real.

That's the difference, people were unhappy,nobody claimed it was stolen or fraudulent.

Certainly nobody pulled a full on Tigergrowls and years later was still trying to suggest it was stolen against all evidence to the contrary.
 
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