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I really wish I could be there the moment you realize how stupid you've been. I sincerely worry for your family, though, if you have one.
So now you are essentially doing what Kamala does, and just copying everything I say?

The critical thinker bit, the worry about you bit. Come on, guy. Come up w your own bits. Be original or at least be entertaining.
 
So now you are essentially doing what Kamala does, and just copying everything I say?

The critical thinker bit, the worry about you bit. Come on, guy. Come up w your own bits. Be original or at least be entertaining.
You should try being a little more original with your posts. I don't even find you the least bit entertaining.
 
Again no substance. There are clear policy differences, especially now with Kamala. It's black and white, especially when you look at her voting record and what she has actually said.

If you are pro transgender, pro abortions, pro pronouns, pro Woke, pro illegal immigration, pro government ran healthcare, education, pro everything big government in your life you will vote for Kamala.

What's funny is the term Liberal has really changed over the years. Liberals used to be for more independent freedoms and smaller government. Now it's really more about Never Trump than anything. No matter the freedoms you give up or the financial burdens you endure, it's all about Never Trump because it's personal.

It's really a fascinating time to be alive. The pendulum always shifts back at some point.

Sure
 
My prediction is that when Kamala holds an interview, right wingers will blame the media for not asking the type of questions they want the media to ask. They will charge the media with being in cahoots with Harris.

The debate will be fun though. Particularly when Kamala reminds Trump that he was a frequent contributor to her campaigns. Guess that is just another example of his bad judgment?
 
Listened to some of the interview this morning. Some cliffs:

X(twitter) is a 3rd rate platform and crashed for 45 minutes.
Trump sounds like sylvester from looney tunes. Is he umm ok? He literally sounds drunk

Trump wants to defund education in America
Trump wants to give tax breaks to the corporations
Trump thinks Kamilia is pretty
Trump thinks Kamala is going to stop fracking. I wish she would but she's not going to.
 
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Listened to some of the interview this morning. Some cliffs:

X(twitter) is a 3rd rate platform and crashed for 45 minutes.
Trump sounds like sylvester from looney tunes. Is he umm ok? He literally sounds drunk

Trump wants to defund education in America
Trump wants to give tax breaks to the corporations
Trump thinks Kamilia is pretty
Trump thinks Kamala is going to stop fracking. I wish she would but she's not going to.
Tim And Eric Stuffing Face GIF
 
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its almost like the spokesman for a vaporware company is trying to position himself to blame outside influences for his failure.
Damn straight. I wouldn't even put it past him, once it becomes obvious to everyone that Trump is losing the election, to say that his maga heel turn was just a brilliant psy-op on Trump.
 
Anyone wanting to keep tabs on what these racist shitbags like Musk, Thiel, and others in the crypto ponzi scheme are up to, should follow this guy on Twitter.

 
Oh look the super genius businessman philosopher is running Tesla, which he had literally ZERO hand in creating, straight into the ground.

 
Anyone wanting to keep tabs on what these racist shitbags like Musk, Thiel, and others in the crypto ponzi scheme are up to, should follow this guy on Twitter.

Those that have invested heavily and grifted others to do so in crypto, will do as much as they can to increase the value of their stake.
 
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Those that have invested heavily and grifted others to do so in crypto, will do as much as they can to increase the value of their stake.
It seems, to me at least, that they're trying to make crypto a world currency that they control, and at some point they'll steal literally all of it for themselves.

I guarantee you these people want the world population down under a billion in their insane dystopian fantasies. I don't believe a word of Elon's double the population bullshit.
 
Those that have invested heavily and grifted others to do so in crypto, will do as much as they can to increase the value of their stake.

It seems, to me at least, that they're trying to make crypto a world currency that they control, and at some point they'll steal literally all of it for themselves.

I guarantee you these people want the world population down under a billion in their insane dystopian fantasies. I don't believe a word of Elon's double the population bullshit.

Are we still thinking crypto is a grift? Bitcoin is passing $100k now
 
Are we still thinking crypto is a grift? Bitcoin is passing $100k now
The only value of bitcoin is speculation. Thats the ONLY VALUE. If you try to compare it with the US dollar, um that backed by the US government. Crypto is skyrocketing because people who have cornered the market are anticipating that the US government might back it, why would they do that?

Why would the US government back, and support and gurantee the bitcoin? What's special about it? I can go make a meme coin right now on a website, toddlers on the internet do it all the time. So ask yourself, What is the actual value of a bitcoin? Its just the people owning it speculating on its value. Pure illusion. Its the biggest bubble in the economy today and it illustrates how stupid the average person is.

also,
You know who loves crypto? Criminals. Everytime I talk to somebody pumping crypto in real life, I get a little question in my mind. Why would someone need non traceable currency? You want to know who's happy its going to the moon right now? Child traffickers.
 
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The only value of bitcoin is speculation. Thats the ONLY VALUE. If you try to compare it with the US dollar, um that backed by the US government. Crypto is skyrocketing because people who have cornered the market are anticipating that the US government might back it, why would they do that?

Why would the US government back, and support and gurantee the bitcoin? What's special about it? I can go make a meme coin right now on a website, toddlers on the internet do it all the time. So ask yourself, What is the actual value of a bitcoin? Its just the people owning it speculating on its value. Pure illusion. Its the biggest bubble in the economy today and it illustrates how stupid the average person is.

also,
You know who loves crypto? Criminals. Everytime I talk to somebody pumping crypto in real life, I get a little question in my mind. Why would someone need non traceable currency? You want to know who's happy its going to the moon right now? Child traffickers.
I'll start from the top.

Bitcoin's only value being speculation is wrong in my opinion. The ability to send money instantly to anyone anywhere is worth money. Western Union was still worth ~$5B last time i looked. But you are correct, a large portion of BTC's value is speculation. Much like real estate, art, stocks and many other things.

You are correct, the Dollar is backed by the US government, which is backed by it's ability to tax. Bitcoin is backed by mathematics.

Why would the Government back, support, guarantee BTC? First of all no one backs or guarantees bitcoin. It is guaranteed by mathmateics. It is also not advertised to be impenetrable. In theory, it could be broken. It's just highly unlikely.

So go make your meme coin and let us know what kind of value you produce. Bitcoin has value because people agree it has value. Much like art, real estate,

You know what else criminals love? The dollar. More criminal activity takes place with the dollar than Bitcoin can even dream of.

Bitcoin is traceable. Very traceable. The world can see every transaction.

Bitcoin is great, beause it is a reserve asset that can not be printed away from you like every other fiat currency

I do believe it has hit exit velocity.

Fat Piggy Global trading will CONTINUE to have a strong buy rating on Bitcoin.

I think it's possible we see ...... wait for it ..... $250k a coin in 2025. And $1mm a coin by the turn of the decade. If not sooner.

how long will it take people to realize the dollar sucks? That is the question?

The goal is to depreciate the dollar at 2% a year. During the average lifespan your dollar will decay to worthless. Your BTC will hold its value forever. It might actually gain value because of lost coins.
 
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Oh look the super genius businessman philosopher is running Tesla, which he had literally ZERO hand in creating, straight into the ground.

Im not sure if you could have been more wrong about the last 6 months.

Tesla is trading $360 a share this morning.

Don't miss out on Tesla people. The cars are flat out better and cost less. Full Self Driving already works. The stock will continue to climb as it is undervaluled.
 
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I'll start from the top.

Bitcoin's only value being speculation is wrong in my opinion. The ability to send money instantly to anyone anywhere is worth money. Western Union was still worth ~$5B last time i looked. But you are correct, a large portion of BTC's value is speculation. Much like real estate, art, stocks and many other things.

You are correct, the Dollar is backed by the US government, which is backed by it's ability to tax. Bitcoin is backed by mathematics.

Why would the Government back, support, guarantee BTC? First of all no one backs or guarantees bitcoin. It is guaranteed by mathmateics. It is also not advertised to be impenetrable. In theory, it could be broken. It's just highly unlikely.

So go make your meme coin and let us know what kind of value you produce. Bitcoin has value because people agree it has value. Much like art, real estate,

You know what else criminals love? The dollar. More criminal activity takes place with the dollar than Bitcoin can even dream of.

Bitcoin is traceable. Very traceable. The world can see every transaction.

Bitcoin is great, beause it is a reserve asset that can not be printed away from you like every other fiat currency

I do believe it has hit exit velocity.

Fat Piggy Global trading will CONTINUE to have a strong buy rating on Bitcoin.

I think it's possible we see ...... wait for it ..... $250k a coin in 2025. And $1mm a coin by the turn of the decade. If not sooner.

how long will it take people to realize the dollar sucks? That is the question?

The goal is to depreciate the dollar at 2% a year. During the average lifespan your dollar will decay to worthless. Your BTC will hold its value forever. It might actually gain value because of lost coins.
Bitcoin is no different than any block chain decentralized cryptocurrency.
It's not special besides the propaganda of folks who have real interest in promoting its value.
Quantum computing will crater the currency.
I've owned Bitcoin since 2015.
 
Bitcoin is no different than any block chain decentralized cryptocurrency.
It's not special besides the propaganda of folks who have real interest in promoting its value.
Quantum computing will crater the currency.
I've owned Bitcoin since 2015.
Bitcoin is different than other blockchain. For example BTC is proof of work while ETH is proof of stake.

BTC has the widest original distribution with over 1mm of the creation coins have not moved since the early days. No one person has the lion share for creating and distributing BTC and if so they have chosen not to wield that power so far.

It’s not special, just like he Mona Lisa. Someone could re-paint that very easily or you could just take it to a color copy machine.


Elon musk has stated that BTC will not be able to be defeated by AI. That the laws of mathematics will hold.

What other complaints do you have?

BTC is perfect money.
 
Bitcoin is different than other blockchain. For example BTC is proof of work while ETH is proof of stake.

BTC has the widest original distribution with over 1mm of the creation coins have not moved since the early days. No one person has the lion share for creating and distributing BTC and if so they have chosen not to wield that power so far.

It’s not special, just like he Mona Lisa. Someone could re-paint that very easily or you could just take it to a color copy machine.


Elon musk has stated that BTC will not be able to be defeated by AI. That the laws of mathematics will hold.

What other complaints do you have?

BTC is perfect money.
lol you sound like you are talking about a religion rather than money. Money is just a tool, its just made up. I said QUANTUM COMPUTING not AI. Quantum computing will overcome most/all current cryptographical encryptions used today and will find way way more prime numbers, thus, flood the market with BTC.
 
lol you sound like you are talking about a religion rather than money. Money is just a tool, its just made up. I said QUANTUM COMPUTING not AI. Quantum computing will overcome most/all current cryptographical encryptions used today and will find way way more prime numbers, thus, flood the market with BTC.
Seems as if you have some valid concerns. I do not believe we will get there anytime soon. If we are in a race between the demise of the dollar and the demise of BTC i will take BTC to be around longer. There have been proposals on how to adopt BTC in light of quantum computing.

Remember, BTC has never claimed to be undefeatable. It is known how to defeat BTC. The problem is it just can't be done. It will probably fail one day, like all things do, it will just be long after the dollar has already failed.


(And no matter how fast you can calculate them, Euclid proves that there are an infinite number of prime numbers.)



From AI
Conclusion: While quantum computing poses a theoretical future risk to Bitcoin's cryptographic security, the immediate concern is low due to current technological limitations. The Bitcoin network's decentralized nature, combined with ongoing research and development in cryptography, suggests that there are pathways to adapt and secure the network against quantum threats. However, vigilance and proactive measures in developing quantum-resistant protocols are crucial to ensure Bitcoin's long-term viability against this emerging technology.
 
Seems as if you have some valid concerns. I do not believe we will get there anytime soon. If we are in a race between the demise of the dollar and the demise of BTC i will take BTC to be around longer. There have been proposals on how to adopt BTC in light of quantum computing.

Remember, BTC has never claimed to be undefeatable. It is known how to defeat BTC. The problem is it just can't be done. It will probably fail one day, like all things do, it will just be long after the dollar has already failed.


(And no matter how fast you can calculate them, Euclid proves that there are an infinite number of prime numbers.)



From AI
Conclusion: While quantum computing poses a theoretical future risk to Bitcoin's cryptographic security, the immediate concern is low due to current technological limitations. The Bitcoin network's decentralized nature, combined with ongoing research and development in cryptography, suggests that there are pathways to adapt and secure the network against quantum threats. However, vigilance and proactive measures in developing quantum-resistant protocols are crucial to ensure Bitcoin's long-term viability against this emerging technology.
Yah I don't really think im communicating my points, or you are picking them up correctly. I will just say: Bitcoin is not a perfect anything and its repeatable to infinity. Its not special. The speculation and corning of the market has driven the price up. ITs a cool math experiment and bros are pushing the price. It has 0 real value. People have HUGE vested interest in it doing well. But at the core, its not really anything more than a bubble of speculation.
 
Yah I don't really think im communicating my points, or you are picking them up correctly. I will just say: Bitcoin is not a perfect anything and its repeatable to infinity. Its not special. The speculation and corning of the market has driven the price up. ITs a cool math experiment and bros are pushing the price. It has 0 real value. People have HUGE vested interest in it doing well. But at the core, its not really anything more than a bubble of speculation.


Let's take your point that it is not special.

Why does BTC trade 100k while ETH trades $3k and others trade $100 etc at fractions of the price?

How do you square that argument?

I think you need to take the L on the argument that it has 0 real value. There are $2Trillion reasons why you are wrong (BTC market cap). That is not an argument anymore, you lost that argument. The science is settled if i need to put it in democratic terms for you.
 
And this folks is why i know the price of BTC is going higher. Because there are still people like @firegiver that wont admit that they were wrong and still don't understand it.

BTC is an asset class that is not subject to the inflation of fiat currencies. It is an ETF in which you can invest that strips out money supply risk. What is the value of this tool? The price of BTC in your home currency will determine that.
 
Let's take your point that it is not special.

Why does BTC trade 100k while ETH trades $3k and others trade $100 etc at fractions of the price?

How do you square that argument?

I think you need to take the L on the argument that it has 0 real value. There are $2Trillion reasons why you are wrong (BTC market cap). That is not an argument anymore, you lost that argument. The science is settled if i need to put it in democratic terms for you.
lol ok man, you don't understand what I'm saying. So I've lost the argument. It's like trying to get a fish to breath out of water. Its ok, you don't understand cryptography nor prime number calculations.
 
lol ok man, you don't understand what I'm saying. So I've lost the argument. It's like trying to get a fish to breath out of water. Its ok, you don't understand cryptography nor prime number calculations.
I've completed several cryptography classes from Cornel University. I've been investing in BTC (not enough) just as long or longer than you have. I run a BTC mining operation. I promise you I understand.

When you say BTC is not any different than any other network you have been proven wrong. It could be trading a million dollars a coin and you will still be saying the same thing. At some point you have to admit defeat. How can you still declare that something that the MARKET values at $2 trillion has no value. But because YOU say it has no value, it has no value? It may have no value to you, and thats ok. But others see value in it and that is all that matters.

I agree that BTC the protocol is not particularly special. It could / has been replicated. It is not complicated. But you can say the same thing about fine art. Fine wines. And other things that have subjective value. So, what makes BTC special is the fact that it has caught on and people see the value it creates. It creates scarcity. It creates a place to hide from taxes, inflation, oppression. That all holds value to many people, even though you don't see it yet.


Many people wouldn't give you $10 for the mona lisa. What are they going to do with it? Look at it? They can't eat it. They can't breathe it. It does not produce anything. It has no value to them. However, for others, they may give you $100mm dollars for the Mona Lisa. They see the value that the scarcity, authenticity, and tax credit that it creates.

Bitcoin is special because it caught on. My argument, when we started this conversation, was that it has reached exit velocity. And i continue to believe that. I think it will continue on to become the worlds reserve currency. It will be an asset class and vehicle all on its own. People will use it to avoid inflation in their home currencies. They will use it to avoid government oppression.
 
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I've completed several cryptography classes from Cornel University. I've been investing in BTC (not enough) just as long or longer than you have. I run a BTC mining operation. I promise you I understand.

When you say BTC is not any different than any other network you have been proven wrong. It could be trading a million dollars a coin and you will still be saying the same thing. At some point you have to admit defeat. How can you still declare that something that the MARKET values at $2 trillion has no value. But because YOU say it has no value, it has no value? It may have no value to you, and thats ok. But others see value in it and that is all that matters.

I agree that BTC the protocol is not particularly special. It could / has been replicated. It is not complicated. But you can say the same thing about fine art. Fine wines. And other things that have subjective value. So, what makes BTC special is the fact that it has caught on and people see the value it creates. It creates scarcity. It creates a place to hide from taxes, inflation, oppression. That all holds value to many people, even though you don't see it yet.


Many people wouldn't give you $10 for the mona lisa. What are they going to do with it? Look at it? They can't eat it. They can't breathe it. It does not produce anything. It has no value to them. However, for others, they may give you $100mm dollars for the Mona Lisa. They see the value that the scarcity and authenticity creates.

Bitcoin is special because it caught on. My argument, when we started this conversation, was that it has reached exit velocity. And i continue to believe that. I think it will continue on to become the worlds reserve currency. It will be an asset class and vehicle all on its own. People will use it to avoid inflation in their home currencies. They will use it to avoid government oppression.
you cannot say the same thing about art or fine wines.

I understand what you are saying, you simply aint picking up what I'm putting down. Yes you don't understand cryptography, nor the coming quantum revolution, but ok you win. I don't know why I bother speaking with you, when you turn everything that I have an opinion about into an argument. I should be charging you for the info.

As an aside, your flippant dismissal of my opinion is just your knee jerk reaction. Don't take my word for it. To summarize:

Many economists and investors describe Bitcoin as a speculative bubble, suggesting that its market price is inflated compared to its intrinsic value. This view is supported by notable figures, including Nobel Prize winners, who argue that Bitcoin's price growth resembles a "madness of crowds" phenomenon.

But you love crowds. So carry on.
 
you cannot say the same thing about art or fine wines.

I understand what you are saying, you simply aint picking up what I'm putting down. Yes you don't understand cryptography, nor the coming quantum revolution, but ok you win. I don't know why I bother speaking with you, when you turn everything that I have an opinion about into an argument. I should be charging you for the info.

As an aside, your flippant dismissal of my opinion is just your knee jerk reaction. Don't take my word for it. To summarize:

Many economists and investors describe Bitcoin as a speculative bubble, suggesting that its market price is inflated compared to its intrinsic value. This view is supported by notable figures, including Nobel Prize winners, who argue that Bitcoin's price growth resembles a "madness of crowds" phenomenon.

But you love crowds. So carry on.
Your "Many economists" have been dead wrong. They should listen to Fat Piggy Global Trading

Tell us who these "many economists" are so we can hold their dogshit opinions accountable. The market has spoken, and they are wrong.
 
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