Ukraine War
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Read it and weep libs.
In 2014, Senator Chris Murphy bragged about the United States successfully overthrowing Ukraine's government:
"I think it was our role, including sanctions and threats of sanctions, that forced, in part, Yanukovych from office."
"We have not sat on the sidelines. We have been very much involved. Members of the Senate have been there. Members of the State Department have been on the Square."
"The Obama administration passed sanctions. The Senate was prepared to pass its own set of sanctions, and as I've said, I think that the clear position of the United States has, in part, been what has helped lead to this change in regime."
"If, ultimately, this is a peaceful transition to a new government in Ukraine, it will be the U.S. on the streets of Ukraine who will be seen as a great friend in helping make that transition happen."
"There is a U.S. interest here. We are in the middle of negotiating a new trade agreement with Europe. To my state, it's enormously important. We do 40% of our trade in Connecticut with Europe."
"If Ukraine is part of the EU and thus is part of this new trade agreement with the United States, that could result in billions of dollars in new economic opportunities for the U.S."
"So, we do have an economic interest in Ukraine being a part of the EU, and we shouldn't be shy about making that interest clear."
In 2014, Senator Chris Murphy bragged about the United States successfully overthrowing Ukraine's government:
"I think it was our role, including sanctions and threats of sanctions, that forced, in part, Yanukovych from office."
"We have not sat on the sidelines. We have been very much involved. Members of the Senate have been there. Members of the State Department have been on the Square."
"The Obama administration passed sanctions. The Senate was prepared to pass its own set of sanctions, and as I've said, I think that the clear position of the United States has, in part, been what has helped lead to this change in regime."
"If, ultimately, this is a peaceful transition to a new government in Ukraine, it will be the U.S. on the streets of Ukraine who will be seen as a great friend in helping make that transition happen."
"There is a U.S. interest here. We are in the middle of negotiating a new trade agreement with Europe. To my state, it's enormously important. We do 40% of our trade in Connecticut with Europe."
"If Ukraine is part of the EU and thus is part of this new trade agreement with the United States, that could result in billions of dollars in new economic opportunities for the U.S."
"So, we do have an economic interest in Ukraine being a part of the EU, and we shouldn't be shy about making that interest clear."
George Soros essentially admitted to overthrowing the duly elected government of Ukraine in 2014.
An NGO was set up specifically designed to create chaos and finance a "color revolution" designed to usurp the duly elected leader of the country, and it worked.
Viktor Yanukovych fled the country after the manufactured revolution ousted him.
If you do not understand what happened in 2014, you are frankly ignorant about the real truth about Ukraine.
He is telling you exactly what they did in open plain language yet somehow they want us to believe that Russia is the original aggressor...
"You funded a lot of dissident activity... Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?"
"Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. The foundation has been functioning ever since. It played an important part in events now."
Ukrainian Parliament wants Trump to make a peace deal. Libs please take notes.
Ukraine Parliament releases a statement saying they desire peace:
“The contribution of the United States of America as Ukraine’s strategic partner has been of decisive importance among international allies in supporting our nation during the most challenging times in its history.
On behalf of the Ukrainian people, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine expresses its profound gratitude to President Donald Trump, the United States Congress, and the American people for their firm and consistent support of Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity, as well as for the security assistance packages provided to Ukraine, which have helped stabilize the situation on the frontline.
Ukraine deeply respects the aspirations of the great American people toward the comprehensive restoration of the United States’ global leadership. At the same time, we firmly believe that the leadership of the United States on the international stage is inseparably linked to the defense of the ideals of freedom and democracy, adherence to international agreements, and reliability in relations with allies and friends.
We are convinced that the security and stable development of our nation are ensured by the unwavering support of the United States and reflect the values that have been the foundation of America’s historic success, inspiring millions of Ukrainians.
At present, this support is more crucial than ever for the Ukrainian people and the Security and Defense Forces of Ukraine, as well as for ensuring security and stability across the entire European continent.
The Ukrainian people desire peace more than anyone else in the world and believe that the personal role of President Donald Trump and his peacekeeping efforts will be decisive in the swift cessation of hostilities and the achievement of peace for Ukraine, Europe, and the entire world.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine welcomes President Donald Trump’s initiatives to launch a negotiation process aimed at securing peace.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine underscores the necessity of further developing the strategic partnership with the United States, particularly in the exploration of critical minerals.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine reaffirms that Ukraine must remain an independent and sovereign state, and the Ukrainian people—free and unconquered.
Together, we are stronger!”
Ukraine Parliament releases a statement saying they desire peace:
“The contribution of the United States of America as Ukraine’s strategic partner has been of decisive importance among international allies in supporting our nation during the most challenging times in its history.
On behalf of the Ukrainian people, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine expresses its profound gratitude to President Donald Trump, the United States Congress, and the American people for their firm and consistent support of Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity, as well as for the security assistance packages provided to Ukraine, which have helped stabilize the situation on the frontline.
Ukraine deeply respects the aspirations of the great American people toward the comprehensive restoration of the United States’ global leadership. At the same time, we firmly believe that the leadership of the United States on the international stage is inseparably linked to the defense of the ideals of freedom and democracy, adherence to international agreements, and reliability in relations with allies and friends.
We are convinced that the security and stable development of our nation are ensured by the unwavering support of the United States and reflect the values that have been the foundation of America’s historic success, inspiring millions of Ukrainians.
At present, this support is more crucial than ever for the Ukrainian people and the Security and Defense Forces of Ukraine, as well as for ensuring security and stability across the entire European continent.
The Ukrainian people desire peace more than anyone else in the world and believe that the personal role of President Donald Trump and his peacekeeping efforts will be decisive in the swift cessation of hostilities and the achievement of peace for Ukraine, Europe, and the entire world.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine welcomes President Donald Trump’s initiatives to launch a negotiation process aimed at securing peace.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine underscores the necessity of further developing the strategic partnership with the United States, particularly in the exploration of critical minerals.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine reaffirms that Ukraine must remain an independent and sovereign state, and the Ukrainian people—free and unconquered.
Together, we are stronger!”
Typical bs from the globalists. Meloni is BA and told them hell no. Like her a lot.
I’m surprised how many people were completely unaware that the CIA were openly sharing intelligence with Ukraine.
Most of the country have no idea that Ukraine is a proxy of the US.
They use our money, weapons, equipment, training, intelligence, etc. The only thing that makes the Ukrainian army Ukrainian, is that they are using Ukrainian bodies instead of American ones. Thats it. Everything else in the Ukrainian military is a US/NATO product.
Ukraine’s military is an army that the US/NATO built for fighting Russia indirectly. They are a pawn on a chess board, and the US/NATO view them as dispensable.
That’s why Putin escalated in 2014 when the US conducted regime change in Ukraine. He knew what the US were up to. He knew the US were planning to build an army on his border. An army designed to fight Russia.
He was right.
Flashback to 2016, when corrupt US politicians, Graham, Klobuchar, and McCain, were in Ukraine telling the Ukrainian soldiers that the US will provide them with everything they need to go on the offensive and fight Russia.
Most people around the world have no idea that the US started this war.
"Let me make this absolutely clear. Last night bombers took off, drones were launched and missiles were fired from Russia.Ukrainian air defences knew they were coming, but had no idea what their targets were, because the President of the United States prohibited vital intelligence to be shared with battlefield commanders.
Last night Donald Trump actively assisted an indicted war criminal to murder Ukrainian civilians. America’s president is now a MURDERER as well as a convicted felon. I’m sure Putin will present him with a medal when he visits Moscow."
Last night Donald Trump actively assisted an indicted war criminal to murder Ukrainian civilians. America’s president is now a MURDERER as well as a convicted felon. I’m sure Putin will present him with a medal when he visits Moscow."
Russia winning is very bad for the US. Let it drag out. Or give Ukraine what they need to win.
Russia is supposedly a ‘near peer’ enemy. I almost laugh when I type that because their military is overall shit. They have some decent subs but overall they are terrible.
We are getting a good look at how our weapons work against Russia’s stuff. And wearing out their military which is already bad. Meanwhile Russia loses respect on the international stage.
All they have that threatens the free world is Nukes. And we have nukes as well. Difference is - we have actually USED them before.
What the world cannot do is cower to Putin. Stand up to him. That is what Reagan did. Worked out pretty well.
I'm not opining here one way or another, but just remember they longer you fight an enemy the more you teach him. Also , a percentage of the hardware that we are sending to ukraine is going onto the black market to be sold to those wanting US weapons who cant get them from us. (i.e. terrorists).
Geez brother. This promotion is played out. A strong majority of American citizens want this to be over. I do not support us pissing away billions to see how our equipment works while hundreds of thousands are killed doing it. Ukraine conscripting their men daily now just to muster a minimum force. This is insanity. Their is no vital US national security interest in Ukraine. Quit thinking like we are still in the cold war. China is a much larger threat than Russia currently.
You have no clue what you are talking about in regards to Ukraine.
That was a post from a well-connected Army veteran who fought in Iraq and founded several veterans services organizations so I'll take his word over yours anyday.
Fair points.
What we’re sending is obsolete so there’s less risk of anyone getting the good stuff. But there’s enough commonality to draw conclusions on the current stuff.
That said the really cool features have been removed I think. Like the high tech armor on the M1s.
Russia is no threat militarily. But they do play dirty games. And Putin cannot be trusted. If they take Ukraine then Europe may be next, and we will DEFINITELY be sucked into that one.
I’m convinced most of the Trump Cult members want Russia to actually win because, like Trump, they are scared of Russia.
Which is my biggest issue with him. He’s content to let the US be Russia’s bitch apparently (remember the ‘he’s got nuclear weapons!’ rant at the debate).
China is an economic threat and they are a peer. But they don’t have eyes on conquering Europe. Though the Taiwan situation must be closely monitored.
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People who don't love their country aren't going to fight very hard.
Most of them want other countries to do their part.
Idk how difficult it is to understand that the US should not be footing most of the bill while France, Germany, UK, etc spend their money elsewhere.
The only thing more dangerous than being an American enemy is being an American “ally” it would seem.
The time of sending Ukrainians to die for an unnecessary war in Europe should be long over. Zelensky’s ego and the West’s insistence on killing as many evil Russians as possible is only getting them killed. They are almost surrounded in Kursk. That offensive that did nothing but move troops away from the critical Donbass front to Russian fields, but at least it was good PR for a month or two.
You guys can’t help be contradict yourself. The Russian military is shit, but somehow it’s this massive threat that warrants our involvement to the tune of tens of billions of dollars? Ukraine winning decisively would require even more than that. What the world can’t do is shit its pants and moralize everything to death. The threat is China. My unfortunate feeling is that it will take a defeat in Taiwan for us to truly realize how much time we lost fighting Muslims with AKs for 20 years.
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