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Walmart raising mimimum wage and giving bonuses thanks to Tax Reform

Okay Rustle Wilson. This adult will just sit back and enjoy some tax relief and watch my brokerage accounts climb in the Trump economy.

Enjoy it junior and don’t spend it all in one night. I have lived long enough and studied enough history to know that eventually we will all be paying more taxes to pay these deficits from these corporate tax cuts. When I say “we” I mean you and me, not the large corporations that benefit the most.
 
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No, because any sort of self-respecting advanced society should view healthcare as a basic right and not something that’s dependent on one’s employment status.

They don't have to be employed. They can volunteer. I would think any self-respecting inhabitant of an advanced society wouldn't want a hand out if they aren't even making an effort to contribute.

Keep in mind primary caregivers are excluded, so the over-used single mom example does not apply.

I mean, if you aren't working or volunteering 80 hours per month, what exactly are you doing with your time? And why should food be coming off my family's table so that you can do it?
 
They don't have to be employed. They can volunteer. I would think any self-respecting inhabitant of an advanced society wouldn't want a hand out if they aren't even making an effort to contribute.

Keep in mind primary caregivers are excluded, so the over-used single mom example does not apply.

I mean, if you aren't working or volunteering 80 hours per month, what exactly are you doing with your time? And why should food be coming off my family's table so that you can do it?

It still flies in the face of what I, and many others, feel at this point in human history should be a basic right—access to healthcare without any stipulations attached. This is regressive policy that only moves us further away from a universal health care system. Unsurprising that it’s coming from a piece of shit like Matt Bevin.
 
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It still flies in the face of what I, and many others, feel at this point in human history should be a basic right—access to healthcare without any stipulations attached. This is regressive policy that only moves us further away from a universal health care system. Unsurprising that it’s coming from a piece of shit like Matt Bevin.

Well we just view it differently. I think everyone should have some basic healthcare as well, but they should have to put forth a little effort to get it.

Seriously though, what are they doing all month if they aren't working, volunteering or taking care of someone? I just don't get it.
 
Well we just view it differently. I think everyone should have some basic healthcare as well, but they should have to put forth a little effort to get it.

Seriously though, what are they doing all month if they aren't working, volunteering or taking care of someone? I just don't get it.

I have no idea but I don’t care because, again, any decent advanced should have healthcare as a basic right.

You’re really not gonna get me to move at all on this issue because I think in general our country places way too emphasis on “working” in the first place. People’s value shouldn’t be tied to what they contribute to society in a monetary sense. I personally work like 45-50 hours a week and make a decent living, because I don’t feel like I really have another option. But I don’t think what I do in those hours has any demonstrable impact on society, and I think that holds true of most jobs. Such is life in a hyper-capitalistic country, though.
 
I have no idea but I don’t care because, again, any decent advanced should have healthcare as a basic right.

You’re really not gonna get me to move at all on this issue because I think in general our country places way too emphasis on “working” in the first place. People’s value shouldn’t be tied to what they contribute to society in a monetary sense. I personally work like 45-50 hours a week and make a decent living, because I don’t feel like I really have another option. But I don’t think what I do in those hours has any demonstrable impact on society, and I think that holds true of most jobs. Such is life in a hyper-capitalistic country, though.

No flame - do you prefer a structure more similar to socialism? Because that's what the bold comments imply.
 
No flame - do you prefer a structure more similar to socialism? Because that's what the bold comments imply.

Yes. Idk why you think that’d be a “flame” honestly. It’s sad the way this country has been programmed to be terrified of any use of the word socialism.
 
Watching liberals try to discredit what is going on right now is worth the price of admission.

I'm certainly not. Something is better than nothing for sure. And I'm not denying that the new tax plan DOES give the middle class a tax break. I'm guessing that my family will be between $1500 and $3000 better off this year.

The above doesn't dispute my argument though. Namely that Trump and company put a HUGE tax break in for the most wealthy among us that didn't need the help in the 1st place. I've seen numbers that are alleging 70% plus of the tax cuts are going to the top 5%. As noted above, Walmart turned about 10% of their tax savings back to the front line employees. Where's that other 90% going? I'd love to see the bonuses their execs are getting. Bottom line here is that this is NOT a tax code for the middle class, it benefits the very wealthy most of all. Congress could have targeted the middle class, but they didn't, they chose to support the wealthy donors. Hopefully, some that money they are going to save makes it's way downhill (like the Walmart deal above).

We'll have to see if this latest version of trickle down economics is going to work out.
 
No flame - do you prefer a structure more similar to socialism? Because that's what the bold comments imply.

It's really a shame that socialism has become such a dirty word these days.

There's two extremes in this argument Pure Capitalism and Communism. Socialism resides somewhere in between (depending on your flavor).

IMHO communism sucks. It begs people to aspire to the mean and never excel. I honestly can't see a large society ever succeeding with this.

BUT pure capitalism can suck nearly as badly. When companies can dictate wages and have total control over their employees, they generally don't do the right thing (and there are some BIG exceptions to this). But there is a reason that the government stepped in over the lifetime of our country and put in regulations that dictate safety, hours worked, and minimum wage. There's a reason that unions were formed in the 1st place. And that reason is NOT because most companies were doing a good job taking care of their workers. Look at the number of companies that have moved operations to countries that pay their workers virtually nothing and have kids working 12-16 hour days.

Unlike most, I don't blame the companies AT ALL. The purpose of business is to make money. Period. Companies should and mostly do act in their best interest where the bottom line is actually the bottom line. And the bigger that bottom line is, the better they are doing. Expecting a company whose 1st priority is to make a profit and survive to do the "right" thing is naive at best and just plain stupid IMHO.

That's where the government and unions have their place. It's their job to say: No, you can't take poor kids that should be in school and playing with their fiends and work them 60 hours a week. If you work people over a certain number of hours, you have to pay them more for those hours. Yes, you do have to provide reasonable safe guards to keep employees from getting hurt on the job. No, you can't simply dump your waste in the nearest landfill/river. And yes the government and unions have overstepped themselves quite a few times, but to say that they don't have a place in regulation of for profit companies is figuratively letting the fox guard the hen house. For profit companies can never effectively regulate themselves and expecting them to is pure stupidity.

IMHO, capitalist (for profit) groups can do a better/cheaper/more effective job at MOST things. The key here is MOST. Providing a product or service, a private company can do a better job than the government AND turn a profit while doing so. And that's awesome. It's the lifeblood of our country. But (again IMHO) there are some things that don't lend themselves to this model. Health care, prisons, and education are areas where I don't think that the 1st priority of the folks in charge should be to turn a profit. I'd like to think that the hospital would put patient care 1st, the prison would have reform/punishment as a top priority, and the education system would have education of students as their main goal.

Asking a company that HAS to turn a profit or they die, to put something else ahead of profit is practically begging for everyone (including the company) to fail. The services above are best run by the government or non profits. That's socialism. Where SOME (not all or even most) things are government controlled. I'm OK with a very mild form of socialism like this.
 
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