So you think a VP, who has top secret clearance and access to Top Secret documents in this office and daily job as a VP shouldn't/wouldnt have had documents? That's ridiculous, which is why Pence had them as well.
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So you think a VP, who has top secret clearance and access to Top Secret documents in this office and daily job as a VP shouldn't/wouldnt have had documents? That's ridiculous, which is why Pence had them as well.
Zero mention in those acts that anyone but President is protected so if we are interpreting the acts as written, both (Pence and Biden) would be guilty. When was the last time Robert Hur had a press conf on the matter?
Yes, that's what I'm telling you. But it's not what I think. Here's a nice source for how much the national debt increased under different Presidents.
U.S. Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage
The national debt has increased under most U.S. presidents. Here is how much each president's time in office added to the U.S. debt by percentage and dollar amounts.
Of note is how much the debt increase under Presidents. As you may expect the top 2 names are Wilson and FDR as WWI and WWII drove huge amounts of debt. But aside from them, here's the top 10 list below. Lots of Republicans there (7/10) in fact. Now really, I don't think Republicans are any worse than Dems, but saying that Republicans are somehow spending less? Not so much.
| Ronald Reagan | $1,604,482,712,041.16 | 160.8% 160.8% 160.8% |
|---|---|---|
| George W. Bush | $4,217,261,484,712.34 | 72.6% 72.6% 72.6% |
| Barack Obama | $7,663,615,710,425.00 | 64.4% 64.4% 64.4% |
| George H. W. Bush | $1,207,189,695,334.34 | 42.3% 42.3% 42.3% |
| Richard Nixon | $121,339,561,890.14 | 34.3% 34.3% 34.3% |
| Donald Trump | $6,700,491,178,561.60 | 33.1% 33.1% 33.1% |
| Jimmy Carter | $208,861,000,000.00 | 29.9% 29.9% 29.9% |
| Bill Clinton | $1,262,689,326,747.48 | 28.6% 28.6% 28.6% |
| Theodore Roosevelt | $483,479,337.65 | 22.6% 22.6% 22.6% |
| Gerald Ford | $87,244,000,000.00 | 16.4% 16.4% 16.4% |
Question for you, and I am not in any way attacking you I agree largely with you.Yes, that's what I'm telling you. But it's not what I think. Here's a nice source for how much the national debt increased under different Presidents.
U.S. Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage
The national debt has increased under most U.S. presidents. Here is how much each president's time in office added to the U.S. debt by percentage and dollar amounts.www.investopedia.com
Of note is how much the debt increase under Presidents. As you may expect the top 2 names are Wilson and FDR as WWI and WWII drove huge amounts of debt. But aside from them, here's the top 10 list below. Lots of Republicans there (7/10) in fact. Now really, I don't think Republicans are any worse than Dems, but saying that Republicans are somehow spending less? Not so much.
Ronald Reagan $1,604,482,712,041.16 160.8%
160.8%
160.8%George W. Bush $4,217,261,484,712.34 72.6%
72.6%
72.6%Barack Obama $7,663,615,710,425.00 64.4%
64.4%
64.4%George H. W. Bush $1,207,189,695,334.34 42.3%
42.3%
42.3%Richard Nixon $121,339,561,890.14 34.3%
34.3%
34.3%Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60 33.1%
33.1%
33.1%Jimmy Carter $208,861,000,000.00 29.9%
29.9%
29.9%Bill Clinton $1,262,689,326,747.48 28.6%
28.6%
28.6%Theodore Roosevelt $483,479,337.65 22.6%
22.6%
22.6%Gerald Ford $87,244,000,000.00 16.4%
16.4%
16.4%
Why are Ford and Carters whole numbers? Assume. it's estimated. I guess what I am getting at is were those numbers audited by a third party? I am not even sure if anyone could know that but I am just curious.
Not a huge fan of Bush2 but curious what portion of that was in retaliation to 9/11 i.e. patriot act, TSA, etc. I mean those were necessary for sure, but curious how that breaks out.
My assertion that a R potus would spend less than a D potus is assuming they have the same house/senate. That is where legislation is created and passed. The potus can only sign or veto it. Perfect example is Clinton. He had pub control of congress for much of his time as potus or spending would likely have been significantly more. Also will grant you that there are very few fiscally conservative politicians no matter what they have beside their name now- which is the main problem. Also, if the economy is expanding, then the amount of spending is not as harmful. All kinds of factors that can impact how bad spending was during a term.Yes, that's what I'm telling you. But it's not what I think. Here's a nice source for how much the national debt increased under different Presidents.
U.S. Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage
The national debt has increased under most U.S. presidents. Here is how much each president's time in office added to the U.S. debt by percentage and dollar amounts.
Of note is how much the debt increase under Presidents. As you may expect the top 2 names are Wilson and FDR as WWI and WWII drove huge amounts of debt. But aside from them, here's the top 10 list below. Lots of Republicans there (7/10) in fact. Now really, I don't think Republicans are any worse than Dems, but saying that Republicans are somehow spending less? Not so much.
Ronald Reagan $1,604,482,712,041.16 160.8%
160.8%
160.8%George W. Bush $4,217,261,484,712.34 72.6%
72.6%
72.6%Barack Obama $7,663,615,710,425.00 64.4%
64.4%
64.4%George H. W. Bush $1,207,189,695,334.34 42.3%
42.3%
42.3%Richard Nixon $121,339,561,890.14 34.3%
34.3%
34.3%Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60 33.1%
33.1%
33.1%Jimmy Carter $208,861,000,000.00 29.9%
29.9%
29.9%Bill Clinton $1,262,689,326,747.48 28.6%
28.6%
28.6%Theodore Roosevelt $483,479,337.65 22.6%
22.6%
22.6%Gerald Ford $87,244,000,000.00 16.4%
16.4%
16.4%
Here is some common sense application, though. Can you ever think of a time where republicans put up a bill and democrats would not pass it bc the spending level was too high? Seriously, like ever. I am in my 50's and never remember that happening, but I remember it happening multiple times the other way. Just look at every recent budget deal. Not once has any dem objected on the basis of cost.
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I see. Trump just called for his peeps to meet him in DC for a Wild Time but he meant at the zoo but they got it mixed up and went to wrong building and unintentionally beat up 150 policemen while he was watching his soaps so he was innocent because he didn't see it and he didn't mean to send a tweet telling Pence to do the right thing while cops were being beaten it was accidental and he accidentally butt-dialed R Congressmen when he was watching his soaps and told them to reject the votes while cops were beaing beaten and they were screaming to hang Mike Pence and breaking into the Senate chamber and smearing feces on the wall because he would have stopped it right away because he's a good Christian and he's not down for that and it wasn't his idea to send the fake electors but he had to do it or melania would sleep in a separate bed and when he found out what really happened he told them he loved them and they were very special people because he's kind hearted to traitors who invade buildings they didn't mean to be in even though they did 3 million dollars worth of damage that he vowed to pay for until he forgot because he always pays his bills except when he doesn't most of the time but he said he would at least pay for 11780 dollars worth of damages but he got that mixed up with an accidental call to Brad Raffensberger that made it sound like he was threatening him when he really was just trying to pay a bill and when he heard about all those injured policemen including the one who died he meant to offer his condolences but he forgot because Mike Pence did the wrong thing and Nancy Pelosi told the police not to come so it was all her fault.
BUT DID YOU SEE THAT STORY ABOUT BIDEN TURNING OVER THOSE DOCUMENTS VOLUNTARILY?
I understand what you are saying, and from the common sense approach, I tend to agree. But results do actually matter... and the fact of the matter is that the debt increased more under Republican Presidents than Dems. That's just the bottom line. To also be fair, the last time the US budget was balanced was under a Democratic President (Clinton).
I do agree about not hearing as much from Dems on spending in general. BUT as I said earlier, you don't hear very much from Republicans on spending either when there's a Republican in the White House. You are correct in that there just aren't many fiscally responsible people in either party.
I am not discounting results, but if you are going to compare it is only an accurate comparison if the same parameters exist. Take away the iraq war spending and the bush numbers drop. Take away pandemic spending and trump drops. Go back and look and see who controlled the purse strings during those times. Presidents can only allow legislation. Bill Clinton could only spend what an often times pub controlled congress sent him. It was a pub congress that balanced the budget - but Clinton did sign it. Those are the type of things that make simply looking at who is president not always a fair assessment.
I guess a better pub/dem comparison would be spending when either party had control of congress. After all the potus can not actually spend money, only approve/veto bills. Again, the undeniable proof for me is pretty much every budget that has come up during my lifetime has been a fight where dems wanted to spend more and pubs wanted to spend less. Pubs absolutely spend too much, imo. However, to suggest dems don't to spend more when that is the argument every time a budget comes up is simply not logical. It absolutely tells you what would happen if they had control of both the legislative and executive branches.
You totally sucking at grammar aside, what in the tee total "f" do you think we are living with right now?
Amazing how you fairies just cut up a clip and try to make it say what you want it so say.
shut the **** up bitch about my grammar on a internet message board. literally shove it so far up your ass you can taste the corn in your shit.
We are living in a world where Trump followers have indoctrinated themselves into believing in a god king emperor that can only do good exists and his name is Donald Trump. They of course are lunatics and are super upset that others call them out on it.
- Remove the vermin - You typed this, but how can you argue with this? I'm not even arguing the criminal side of this (which there are many), but if you are getting gov't assistance, you should be doing something for your country. No one who is physically able to do anything should receive a check for free.So if we reward a corrupt ex-president, who tried to overthrow the will of the people with another term, don't you think your hypothetical is a little far-fetched, considering he's already told us what he's going to do?
- Remove the vermin
- Replace 50,000 govt employees by stripping them of their civil service protections and replacing them with loyal butt kissers
- Destroy healthcare
- Destroy media that disagrees with him
- Put immigrants in concentration camps
- A new Muslim travel ban
- End funding to Ukraine
- Exit the Paris Climate Accord
- Terminate the Dept of Education
- Has vowed to fight for a "patriotic education" i.e., ignore the history and rights of anyone different than him
- Pledged a federal takeover of Washington DC and possibly move many departments to red states
- Tariffs on all imports
- Ugly etc...
- Replace 50,000 govt employees by stripping them of their civil service protections and replacing them with loyal butt kissers - They are not going to be replaced. They are going to be removed.
- Destroy healthcare - It was destroyed under Obamer. You can keep your doctor. We have to pass the bill to see what is in it.
- Destroy media that disagrees with him- The lying media created you. If they told the truth, you might actually be sane.
- Put immigrants in concentration camps - Another lie. He wants to send them back to where they came from.
- A new Muslim travel ban - I don't see any way we should let ANYONE in our country without proper vetting.
- End funding to Ukraine - How is this our problem? Your boys weakness caused this to become a war in the first place.
- Exit the Paris Climate Accord - Heck yeah. "Climate Change" is a SCAM. The climate changes every day.
- Terminate the Dept of Education - What would be great injustice if this happened. Education should be handled by states, cities, and towns.
- Has vowed to fight for a "patriotic education" i.e., ignore the history and rights of anyone different than him - he didn't do that his first 4 years.
- Pledged a federal takeover of Washington DC and possibly move many departments to red states - DC should be split up
- Tariffs on all imports - Should be that way. Other countries impose them on our exports.
- Ugly etc... what are you even talking about?
Hey "headgiver", your grammar sucks b!tch! Why must you be so angry? Only you would know about shoving stuff up their ass. You just don't like being called out on your liberal bullshit.
I believe in GOD (it ain't Trump)!
"god, king, emperor"- Which category do you put Biden in?
Which one of those wars did you fight in? Why don't you send your next 6 months of paychecks to the gov't with the memo "funding the war in Ukraine"? Good LORD you people are stupid.
No matter who is elected somebody has got to clean up Biden's open borders mess.
At some point the government will need to increase taxes or implement a immigration tax to help with funding for housing , healthcare, food, basic needs, and education for all these illegal immigrants.
At some point the government will need to increase taxes or implement a immigration tax to help with funding for housing , healthcare, food, basic needs, and education for all these illegal immigrants.
Hambone, I don't need a doctored clip to say he wants to be a dictator and to be honest with you, I didn't even play the clip to see if it was whole because it was the spirit of what he was saying that I was trying to convey. I mean he barely hides his intentions and he's not ashamed of it either. He's using Hitleresque style language to dehumanize his opponents which paves the way to political violence.,,, just like authoritarian leaders in the past. And you are his submissive soldier waiting for your orders. We see you.
"We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,"
"They're poisoning the blood of our country. That's what they've done,"
"Putin of Russia says that Biden's, and this is a quote, 'politically motivated persecution of his political rival' is very good for Russia because it shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others about democracy,'" Trump said at the rally. "
His incendiary language is also backed by a dark policy agenda that intends to crack-down on dissent, remake the Justice Dept into a tool for jailing his enemies, sending troops to suppress protests and put the immigrants they round up into concentration camps. We know you're fine with that but you're also not a patriot and you love Donald Trump more than you love our country. People who behave like you would have been unthinkable before he came along but now that you and millions of people like you have drank the kool-aid, Trump has an army of sycophants ready to help him realize his evil agenda.
Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and eliminating the cabinet departments of education and commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.[10]
Project 2025 - Wikipedia
You have just proven your IGNORANCE to classified materials. A POTUS (regardless of party) has ultimate classification authority.
A vice POTUS (regardless of party) has NO such authority, and should not have had these/any documents.
Here in lies the problem. You talk about sh!t you know nothing about, yet you think you are educated on the subject.
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Well we know what the liberals in America think. This is disturbing. I as a conservative do not advocate throwing the loonies into concentration camps. Liberals need to think long and hard.
Very well said. I am on the same page with catturd and Bill OReily.
And herein lies your ignorance. Trump wasn't president when he had those documents, they were not declassified while he had authority, so he has/had the same rights as the two VPs did. None of them should have had them.
The difference, and the reason that there is a criminal case is due to Trump's unwillingness to return these documents, and his efforts to hide,obstruct,and instruct others to do the same. Had he given them back when requested, none of this would be an issue.
Don'tcha love it when they get all riled up like a little spoiled brat and start cussing and telling you go F yourself.
God's Work!
Funny that you don't have anything to say about the sweet, kind-hearted post he was responding to.
So you have all the answers? It's like you were there.
This is not correct. Like the typical liberal you are, you talk about stuff you have no clue about.
This became an issue because there is another typical liberal who is in charge of the national archives (probably a DEI hire). You act like Trump is the first former POTUS ever to have classified documents after they left office. Clinton has them, Bush has them, Obama has them. It's only a problem because Trump has them.
You continue to ignore the difference. This has everything to do with how Trump acted when they asked for the documents.
Tell me again who else hid,lied, directed others to hide lie and deceive.
They tried for months to get the documents back. They met numerous times to try and get these docs back and he refused and lied.
At what point does Trump quite being a victim and have to actually be accountable for his actions?
I don't continue to ignore the difference. I'm telling you what the difference is. At no point in this countries history has this become a national scandal-until now.
Who hid, lied and directed others to hide and lie?
Do you mean like wipe it with a cloth, smashing phones, servers in a bathroom?
The court case will be about his attempts to hide the documents and direct others to hide them. There is apparently video of the documents being moved after the Trump team told the Government that they didn't have anymore documents as well as testimony and other evidence.
This will all come out in court. If they can't prove he attempted to hide them then he will be exonerated, but to suggest that there is no difference in this is assinine.
Again, all Trump has to do is follow the rules and not be dishonest. Unfortunately he has proven time and again that he is unwilling to follow rules. At some point maybe his fans will ask him why he has to make everything difficult?
So, you know of, time and time again where Trump has not followed the rules?
You care to expand upon that? What I see is, up until he ran for President as a republican he was loved by people on the left.
Man is damn near 80 and you are saying he is dishonest and doesn't follow the rules. Seems like he would have been charged and convicted of something before now.
Also, don't you pretend to be asian?
I know that he has been indicted by a grand jury of his peers for not following the law.
He has a long and documented history as a liar and cheat. The easiest example to point out is his adultery in three marriages. He also lied about being a Christian.
What boggles my mind is that you act like Donald Trump is some great honest guy who has just been done wrong. You act like he has no history as a scumbag cheat prior to running for President? He's always been trash.
I've never pretended to be Asian. My profile name is from a dog I had years ago that we had to put down. He was an Asian breed so we chose a name of an Asian gaming character. I didn't want to change profile names after his death so I've kept it the same.
"of his peers"---that's funny.
That may well be true, but you support Biden. What is the difference?
Yet you support ole Joe. Claims to be a Catholic, but supports abortion.
Joe's whole family is trash. Always has been. How can you not see this?
Sorry about your dog. I have one now that is getting up in age, and I'll cry like a b!tch when his day comes. I can't imagine life without him.
First, I'm not a supporter of Joe Biden. As I've said, give me a better choice and I'll vote for them. I said on here that I would vote for Nikki Haley over Biden. I basically will vote for any serious candidate who isn't Trump, or a Trump Maga candidate because they aren't serious and will only see more discontent and nothing will be accomplished.
Joe attends church regularly and doesn't agree with his churches stance on Abortion. Trump says he never asked Jesus for forgiveness because he didn't need to. Those aren't the same.
Edit: Thanks for the kind words regarding my dog. I've had a few pets over the years who we have lost. It never gets easier.
Nicky is basically voting for Bush. You would vote for that?
What is wrong with Make America Great Again? What is wrong with making this country the best in the world?
The only thing stopping it is the same thing Trump dealt with the last time. The media, and endless lies. I'm sure you would have a hard time coping, if everyday you woke up, and had to defend yourself against things that weren't true.
What is wrong with Make America Great Again? What is wrong with making this country the best in the world?
The only thing stopping it is the same thing Trump dealt with the last time. The media, and endless lies. I'm sure you would have a hard time coping, if everyday you woke up, and had to defend yourself against things that weren't true.
I disagree about Haley, she did a good job as a governor. She hardly the Confederate flag situation as well as it possibly could have been handled in South Carolina. I respect the hell out of her for her willingness to address that instead of kicking it down the road.
I don't think Ameria isn't great. I think we can be better, but nothing about Trump or his followers such as MTG or Matt Gaetz says "competent". Trump had a chance. He literally said Repeal and replace thousands of times on the trail, but had no idea how to actually do that. To actually govern, you have to get along,you have to build agreements and sometimes compromise. Trump has demonstrated zero ability to do that.
As far as Trump as a victim, that's laughable. He is a rich kid who failed his way up while sleeping with porn stars and cheating on his wives. He's scum, he's always been scum. He's just rich scum who says hateful stuff most people wouldn't.
"Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me". You've probably never heard this before since you are a "youngin".
Your problem of
is on none other than Paul "piece of feces" Ryan. He is a piece of trash. Just like McConnell. Just like Graham. All about making money for themselves and you buy their crap.
You think you know of a politician who isn't cheating on their spouse? That's rich.
Here is the thing. TRUMP is going to be the candidate. Nothing you or I say/type will change that. Are you going to vote for Trump, or are you going to vote for a democrat? IMO, it's not going to be Joe.
Pfffffffft who on the left loved trump up until he ran for office?
You continue to out yourself as one of the dimmest posters here. Keep it up, you’re highly entertaining.
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