Serious question - dude is a damn hero and has balls of steel so why do some Republicans speak so lowly of him? Is it because he refused to be bribed by Cinnamon Hitler?
Why do some Republicans hate Zelenskyy?
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I share that feeling that Ukraine is doing the work the US will now never have to do
It should be abundantly clear the Russians will never have the ability to defeat NATO in a conventional war
Only a Nuke exchange
Hopefully no one will even consider that insanity
It should be abundantly clear the Russians will never have the ability to defeat NATO in a conventional war
Only a Nuke exchange
Hopefully no one will even consider that insanity
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Simply bizarre. Russia being able to blackmail Western Europe economically and militarily isn't in our best interest and would cost a hell of a lot more than the current outlay. Our domestic defense industry is being boosted by foreign demand, and that's a good thing for the American worker too.
Some people just have an absolutely myopic worldview.
Some people just have an absolutely myopic worldview.
Their war is our war. Their fight is our fight.
This conflict can not be viewed in isolation as it has much broader implications for the world and we cannot let them fail.
If you didn't see his address to Congress, it was powerful and gave me chills. This man deserves our full respect, so I ask again - why do some Republicans hate him? It's one thing to be against the war but what has he done to earn their wrath?
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I don't doubt that Trump dislikes him but I don't remember him saying anything like that. Must be something else. My guess is the MAGAs are jealous of his popularity, just like they were when Fauci outshined Trump during the COVID pressers.
"Former President Donald Trump defended his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday while also calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “a brave man” amid Russia’s deadly invasion of his country.
“He’s a brave man, he’s hanging in,” Trump said of Zelensky in remarks at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, even as he declined to back away from complimenting Putin as “smart.”
Trump defends praise of Putin even as he calls Ukrainian President 'brave' | CNN Politics
Former President Donald Trump defended his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday while also calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky "a brave man" amid Russia's deadly invasion of his country.
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Confused Donnie for Donnie Jr, my mistakeI don't doubt that Trump dislikes him but I don't remember him saying anything like that. Must be something else. My guess is the MAGAs are jealous of his popularity, just like they were when Fauci outshined Trump during the COVID pressers.
"Former President Donald Trump defended his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday while also calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “a brave man” amid Russia’s deadly invasion of his country.
“He’s a brave man, he’s hanging in,” Trump said of Zelensky in remarks at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, even as he declined to back away from complimenting Putin as “smart.”
Trump defends praise of Putin even as he calls Ukrainian President 'brave' | CNN Politics
Former President Donald Trump defended his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday while also calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky "a brave man" amid Russia's deadly invasion of his country.www.cnn.com
I don't understand the new right position on this at all. It fits with the growls of the world. I guess it's Republican, but it's totally different than me and the people I'm around.
I believe you and that's why I said "some". Guy was on the damn front lines just yesterday rallying his troops and 24 hours later he's addressing Congress and thanking them profusely for their help. Got a standing ovation throughout his address, outside a couple far-right dildos.
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Trump convinced a lot of dumb people, not terribly difficult to do btw, that their bad station in life is because the US spends too much money on various causes abroad, just a variation of the original bad trade deals theme
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1 because he's a midget. they're like gypsies...can't trust them
2 because throughout this war in his country he hasn't missed a single opportunity to get in front of a camera all over the world. pretty sure he's received about half of hollywood which seems odd in a war zone.
3 because he thinks he gets to tell us how much we're going to pay him and what weapons we're obligated to provide. guys been on a world tour with his hands out grabbing for money from everyone and then does photo shoots acting like he's on the front lines, not jetsetting and partying. anyone who just accepts the media crafted public image of him as a heroic, charismatic, and principled leader fighting for humanity against an overwhelming force of evil should get their head examined. he is not who he's portrayed to be. just looking at his celebrity lifestyle, sense of entitlement, and the remarkable growth of his net worth since the war began should be more than enough for anyone to at least have some questions. in my experience, when observable behavior and reputation/image appear at odds, behavior is always the truth.
4 he refuses to put on a fukking suit
2 because throughout this war in his country he hasn't missed a single opportunity to get in front of a camera all over the world. pretty sure he's received about half of hollywood which seems odd in a war zone.
3 because he thinks he gets to tell us how much we're going to pay him and what weapons we're obligated to provide. guys been on a world tour with his hands out grabbing for money from everyone and then does photo shoots acting like he's on the front lines, not jetsetting and partying. anyone who just accepts the media crafted public image of him as a heroic, charismatic, and principled leader fighting for humanity against an overwhelming force of evil should get their head examined. he is not who he's portrayed to be. just looking at his celebrity lifestyle, sense of entitlement, and the remarkable growth of his net worth since the war began should be more than enough for anyone to at least have some questions. in my experience, when observable behavior and reputation/image appear at odds, behavior is always the truth.
4 he refuses to put on a fukking suit
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Almost like they are in need of support to fend off an assault from a much larger neighbor.
He’s not acting about going to the frontlines.
The mfer hasn't left his country ONCE since this war began until he came here to profusely thank us in person and give us a flag signed by the soldiers at the front line. Jet-setting and partying my ass. He's doing us a goddamn favor by being the point of the spear and sacrificing his countrymen alone - and by the tens of thousands.
GFY MAGAt
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He’s a hero no doubt. Held a country together through an onslaught from a world power. I’m in awe of him, and I’m proud of what the USA has done to support Ukraine.
I don’t personally know anyone who feels differently.
I am a non interventionist and it has nothing to do with Trump or any other politician. No vital US national security interest at stake in the Ukraine whatsoever. Over a 100B in taxpayer financed debt sent over there with no idea where over half of its going. Zelensky has done multiple things to erode freedoms in his own country and solidify his power during all of this. Who is getting rich?
Its our kids that will have this exploding debt over their heads in years to come. Its our kids who will have a reduced standard of living and probably a shorter lifespan due to all the madness currently occurring. I am America First. Let some foreign power come after us and I will take my old ass and sign up to fight but sending all this money to Ukraine is dumb as F**K. Everyone swallowing this is being played on a grand level. Once again my opinion doesnt have a damn thing to do with Trump. Over a 100B to Ukraine after they fought Trump tooth and nail over less than 10B to fortify our own southern border. Communists have taken over America at the head. Wake up people!!
Its our kids that will have this exploding debt over their heads in years to come. Its our kids who will have a reduced standard of living and probably a shorter lifespan due to all the madness currently occurring. I am America First. Let some foreign power come after us and I will take my old ass and sign up to fight but sending all this money to Ukraine is dumb as F**K. Everyone swallowing this is being played on a grand level. Once again my opinion doesnt have a damn thing to do with Trump. Over a 100B to Ukraine after they fought Trump tooth and nail over less than 10B to fortify our own southern border. Communists have taken over America at the head. Wake up people!!
How interventionist were you after 9/11 when bush lied to us about WMD
I mean why don't these people just move to Russia? Putin needs your help. Trump can be his successor. Rebuild the USSR. Just saying....win win for everyone.
Ever heard the phrase "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?" We had to learn that lesson the hard way 80 years ago but if I understand you correctly, we should have allowed Hitler to run roughshod over every peaceful nation of his choosing since it didn't affect us. We should have just closed our eyes and let him have what he wanted so we wouldn't have to be bothered. I'm sure that after he had conquered all of Europe, Russia and North Africa, he would have stopped and we would have friendly relations to this day.
"The question of why the Trumpian populist right is so consumed with hatred for Ukraine—a hatred that clearly goes beyond concerns about U.S. spending, a very small portion of our military budget, or about the nonexistent involvement of American troops—doesn’t have a simple answer. Partly, it’s simply partisanship: If the libs are for it, we’re against it, and the more offensively the better. (And if the pre-Trump Republican establishment is also for it, then we’re even more against it.) Partly, it’s the belief that Ukrainian democracy is a Biden/Obama/Hillary Clinton/”Deep State” project, all the more suspect because it’s related to Trump’s first impeachment. Partly, it’s the “national conservative” distaste for liberalism—not only in its American progressive iteration, but in the more fundamental sense that includes conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher: the outlook based on individual freedom and personal autonomy, equality before the law, limited government, and an international order rooted in those values. Many NatCons are far more sympathetic to Russia’s crusade against secular liberalism than to Ukraine’s desire for integration into liberal, secular Europe."
www.thebulwark.com
Putin’s Useful Idiots: Right Wingers Lose It Over Zelensky Visit
The anti-Ukraine right can’t stand America standing as the arsenal of democracy.
www.thebulwark.com
Let's revisit some of the more popular republican theories since the war began. Most of these made in on fox news, which is pretty mainstream GOP.
1. The dems are funding this war in order to thwart putin's attempts to find the secret labs in Ukraine where COVID was created.
2. The dems are funding this war in order to thwart putin's attempts to find the secret documents that show Biden's links to Burisma.
3. The dems are funding this war so Ukraine can invest the money back into FTX and then FTX can donate all the money to the dems before the election. It is all a money laundering scheme.
I would say that there is an element of truth in all three. We know the US had bio labs in Ukraine....verified by the US state dept. Three is true for sure.....period. Two is up to interpretation and need more evidence, but we know China Joe stewarded process of giving Ukraine billions in order to receive kickbacks to his family from Burisma and other entities in Ukraine. The Pelosi Crime Family is involved as well.
Nancy might very well be in legal trouble before this is all said and done. We know she broke the law and committed treason but its a matter of whether she can be held accountable or not. ITS ALWAYS DARKEST RIGHT BEFORE THE DAWN!!
Hmmmm That's not what Joe said about Afghanistan. He didn't want to be involved in an Afghan Civil War right? He strove to get us out of these expensive wars. What's the bill in Ukraine?
And I still see you are operating on the false narrative of Russian Collusion which has been proven to have been a Democratic scheme to subvert a US President. Perhaps you admit to the lie and move on.
I have no issue with Ukraine getting its territory back and kicking Russian ass. Have at it. I hope they win. I have no issue with us helping them in some way. Ukraine has done a tremendous job defending their country. Zelensky has been at great leader of his people.
I do have issue with BILLIONS of US tax payer money (this is our third aid package I believe) flowing to Ukraine while nothing goes to secure our southern border. Isn't our security more important than Ukraine's. I do wonder how Hunter's Ukrainian "jobs" have influenced "the big guy" to be so eager to help them out.
And he's sending them Patriots? I can understand us doing this to help protect Ukraine infrastructure from missile attacks. However the batteries will be highly vulnerable to drone attacks once they are discovered. You realize that Patriots batteries are high demand, low quantity weapons in our arsenal. We don't have enough batteries to meet our global needs. So who is manning these Patriot batteries we send? It isn't Ukrainians. It'd take a couple years to train them. So who is manning them? Hint: Americans. So who is going to die when they are hit by drones?
And yes, it was absolutely undignified for the Zelensky to show up at the White House and Congress not dressed in a suit. Zero excuse and a sign of disrespect.
Tighten you belts folks. We're paying for another countries bills again.
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It’s not going to take a couple years to train them. We have hundreds of launch systems and are sending 8 from training use here. Really puts a dent in our capabilities
I do have issue with BILLIONS of US tax payer money (this is our third aid package I believe) flowing to Ukraine while nothing goes to secure our southern border.
What a load of dogshit. No money goes to our border? Do you think we need patriot missiles there?
You remind me of your hero, lauren Boebert, who said the other day Mayorkas should be impeached because the US seized a record amount of fentanyl at the border. He should be impeached for doing his job well.
The "open border" BS is so tiring. But of course, morons like you lap it up and regurgitate it constantly.
You ****ing people make me sick.
You agree that nothing goes to secure our southern border?
We are having record seizures, apprehensions, etc.? Why am I not surprised? Did GWP tell you to believe that?
Let's not play games. Illegal aliens are surrendering themselves to border patrol on purpose and then get processed into the interior of our nation at taxpayer expense. This is Biden policy. They are doing it on purpose. China JOE should go in front of the firing squad for this willful treasonous activity imo.
Is it your take that Ukraine is in a Civil war? LMAO
DErr, this smacks of "let me say something unrelated that I don't like about Democrats so I can feel morally superior", Herp. Funny you call it a democratic scheme when it was instigated by a Republican Asst AG and investigated by a Republican, but none of that matters to you. It just sounds good to make it Hillary's fault.
You're a ****ing liar
Biden admin wants billions to prep for looming migrant surge at border
DHS wants more than $3 billion from Congress to prep for a migrant surge expected when Covid restrictions end Dec. 21, money Republicans may not be willing to approve.
www.nbcnews.com
This is pathetic. Zelensky has continued to wear the green uniform as a commander-in-chief in solidarity with his soldiers who are risking their lives on the frontline. It is not intended to disrespect any audience or institution and anyone with a brain and a moral compass understands this.
Wait til you hear what Churchill wore to the WH in 1942
What an asshole you are...
Why is he an asshole for stating the obvious? America doesn't have the money to send to Ukraine, we have our own domestic issues, the border is one of them. The supply chain is another (no children's tylenol, can't find antibiotics etc). If you wanted to stop funding Gender Studies in Pakistan or maybe don't fund tax payer dollar built LGBTQ museum and repoint that money to Ukraine, then fine but way too many nonsensical applications of funding going on to keep sending these guys billions of unchecked dollars.Is it your take that Ukraine is in a Civil war? LMAO
DErr, this smacks of "let me say something unrelated that I don't like about Democrats so I can feel morally superior", Herp. Funny you call it a democratic scheme when it was instigated by a Republican Asst AG and investigated by a Republican, but none of that matters to you. It just sounds good to make it Hillary's fault.
You're a ****ing liar
Biden admin wants billions to prep for looming migrant surge at border
DHS wants more than $3 billion from Congress to prep for a migrant surge expected when Covid restrictions end Dec. 21, money Republicans may not be willing to approve.
This is pathetic. Zelensky has continued to wear the green uniform as a commander-in-chief in solidarity with his soldiers who are risking their lives on the frontline. It is not intended to disrespect any audience or institution and anyone with a brain and a moral compass understands this.
Wait til you hear what Churchill wore to the WH in 1942
What an asshole you are...
Don't forget that at least 50% of the Crimea and Donbas population identify as Russian and are Russian speaking. The Russia bordering areas of Ukraine also have citizens who are similar. That doesn't justify any invasion but it's not as simple as you think.
If you recall, it was Clinton who talked Ukraine into giving up their nuclear weapons cache which had them holding a third of the fallen Soviet Unions arsenal, that was the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994 and a pretty big bartering chip to lose when you step back and look at current events. That's not to say it wasn't the right thing to do but we didn't help them bolster defenses while taking away their big bat to swing. In exchange for the signing of the bill, we agreed to give Ukraine security "assurances" which Obama failed to provide when Russia took back Crimea. Sure we levied some sanctions but Obama didn't step in and help nor did anyone drive demarcation of the borders. It's not clear that Ukraine ever made any real effort to fix real borders with Russia and set up a real dispute with Russia over sovereignty issues. It doesn’t have borders with Belarus either and has disputes pending as to where the border is.
It's also not very clear that the US didn't instigate the coup that ousted the more neutral leadership to put in anti-Russian leadership which would have helped raise tensions between the countries.
A few questions: Why would a very highly decorated CIA officer be sitting on the Burisma board? Was Burisma a front to fund anti-Russian operations in the region? Lots of money seemed to go missing and every effort to investigate seemed to get thwarted. Is that why Biden had Shokin fired when he froze Burisma funds during the investigation? Also, do yourself a favor and look up Joel Harding and his involvement in the Ukraine. We have a ton of intelligence involvement there and have since Obama's tenure.
From a humanitarian perspective, I'm all for helping. Lots of innocent people involved here but until they put a non-partisan oversight committee in place to watch the funds and weapons we give them, it's a hard no from me.
He's an asshole because all I asked was why some Republicans hated Zelenskyy and his response was something bout Biden and Afghanistan, then accused me of lying about Russian collusion, lied that Biden wasn't contributing any money to the border and Zelenskyy is disrespectful for not wearing a suit to the WH - none of which has a damn thing to do with the question I asked. Strangely, he thought it made sense to pop off about a bunch of unrelated shit in a lame attempt to own me.
And now you're giving me the history of Ukraine, which is not what the thread is about. We are talking about NOW and how a peaceful and sovereign nation was invaded by a dictator hell-bent on destroying the country by pulverizing it's infrastructure and killing tens of thousands of it's civilians for no other reason but greed.
MAGAs are making excuses for why we shouldn't be involved, but just think about how many lives would have been saved if we had stopped Hitler when he invaded Poland. This war may be on a different continent but the outcome will have repercussions worldwide. Zelenskyy is doing everything in his power to stop Putin in his tracks, which also helps us because his military is being decimated without the cost of even one single American life. The man is a hero and one of the bravest leaders we've seen in our lifetime and he deserves better than the obnoxious scorn he's receiving from the far right. I don't get it so I was hoping to spark a reasonable discussion that would explain this misplaced hatred but I'm still not seeing it.
Can you explain it without referring to Hunter, Hillary or Obama?
"The question of why the Trumpian populist right is so consumed with hatred for Ukraine—a hatred that clearly goes beyond concerns about U.S. spending, a very small portion of our military budget, or about the nonexistent involvement of American troops—doesn’t have a simple answer. Partly, it’s simply partisanship: If the libs are for it, we’re against it, and the more offensively the better. (And if the pre-Trump Republican establishment is also for it, then we’re even more against it.) Partly, it’s the belief that Ukrainian democracy is a Biden/Obama/Hillary Clinton/”Deep State” project, all the more suspect because it’s related to Trump’s first impeachment. Partly, it’s the “national conservative” distaste for liberalism—not only in its American progressive iteration, but in the more fundamental sense that includes conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher: the outlook based on individual freedom and personal autonomy, equality before the law, limited government, and an international order rooted in those values. Many NatCons are far more sympathetic to Russia’s crusade against secular liberalism than to Ukraine’s desire for integration into liberal, secular Europe."
Putin’s Useful Idiots: Right Wingers Lose It Over Zelensky Visit
The anti-Ukraine right can’t stand America standing as the arsenal of democracy.
This is one subject on which we are in lockstep
Reagan back in the day 1980 to 1988 beat the crap out if the Soviet Union by economic war
Presently Ukraine is decimating the Russian capacity to fight a conventional war
What country would buy Soviet weapons or practice Soviet tactics which is taking a huge butt cutting
This is going to help the US immensely when Russia pulls out
look fir Russia to become a better partner to Europe and America and move from China and Iran
Quit playing politics and talk about what's occurring at our southern border. There is a hell of a lot of drugs coming still. More than ever imo. Kids being trafficked as slave or prostitutes and other hideous stuff. Cartels functionally control our Southern Border while the current leadership lies about it while at the same time enabling policies that make it worse.
I just want results. I would bend over and praise anyone that got it done. I hate the majority of the repubs too for doing nothing.
We know Trump was getting it done there too. Biden could have just left it as it was and it would of been fine. Everything occurring is purposeful by the biden admin.
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