⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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Ive read other places that it wasn’t unusual for her to stay at beach house in summer months.
-dope paranoia
-deputy took GSR from him
-law partners told him to be careful
-got in the car with a specific SLED agent that he didn't trust
-and that he was asked by LE about relationship with Maggie and Paul
But he was lying to law enforcement before any of those facts existed.
Maybe, It isn’t an excuse for any of what he has admitted to doing and shouldn’t be used an excuse for what he is accused of.
The same SLED agent who rubbed his shoulder and said "I'm really sorry I have to be asking you these questions."
That made me want to vomit.
Some interesting takeaways a lot of people are not
Foreman of the jury is female. Judge addresses her as “ fore lady.
AM states that caretaker of his mother was not correct that he encouraged her to say that he visited his mother for 40 45 min. instead of 20 -25 min . to which she testified.
Housekeeper at Mosell testifies the shirt that AM told LE was the shirt he was wearing was not the shirt she fixed the collar of the morning of the murder.
AM testifies the reason he lied was because SLED agent that first interviewed him was named David. AM says that a SLED agent named David falsely accused a friend of his 10 years ago. AM said he did not trust SLED.
AM carried both a Assistant Solicitor and Deputy Solicitor badges in his car at all times. Was wearing it when visiting the hospital after the boat crash. Stated that it could help at times if he was pulled over. Had blue lights installed on his Suburban with the ok of Colleton County Sheriff.
AM testified that nobody used the hose at the kennels while he was there. You can hear and see water from PM’s Snapchat video.
Prosecutor had AM on the ropes the toward the end of questioning Fri. AM admitted to 2 additional lies in his interviews with LE.
Foreman of the jury is female. Judge addresses her as “ fore lady.
AM states that caretaker of his mother was not correct that he encouraged her to say that he visited his mother for 40 45 min. instead of 20 -25 min . to which she testified.
Housekeeper at Mosell testifies the shirt that AM told LE was the shirt he was wearing was not the shirt she fixed the collar of the morning of the murder.
AM testifies the reason he lied was because SLED agent that first interviewed him was named David. AM says that a SLED agent named David falsely accused a friend of his 10 years ago. AM said he did not trust SLED.
AM carried both a Assistant Solicitor and Deputy Solicitor badges in his car at all times. Was wearing it when visiting the hospital after the boat crash. Stated that it could help at times if he was pulled over. Had blue lights installed on his Suburban with the ok of Colleton County Sheriff.
AM testified that nobody used the hose at the kennels while he was there. You can hear and see water from PM’s Snapchat video.
Prosecutor had AM on the ropes the toward the end of questioning Fri. AM admitted to 2 additional lies in his interviews with LE.
Ok... just a couple of new things that hit me as I was listening yesterday...
On June 6 AM was in the hotel room detoxing in Columbia.
On June 7 AM goes into work at 12:09 pm "because her was dragging"
in this clip from the second interview... I think that AM lets a cat out of the bag... when discussing when Paul went to the kinnels...
AM tells owens that "he's assuming Paul left because... you know, of WHAT HAPPENED...." AM catches himself and Owens doesn't seem too.
Speculating here.... mags and paw paw confronted or took AM's pills again after a big fight... Maggie stormed out to the kinnels... paul went a few minutes later "...because of what happened".
AM took the golf cart fuming mad down there after stewing a few minutes... (paul why'd you have to get involved) . Un-alived them.
Detoxing AM got a bag of pills from Paul's pocket... went back to the house.
While AM claimed to have a 60 pill habit... he had to keep replacing all of the pills that Paul and Maggie were taking from him... inflating the pill count and money expenditure.
On June 6 AM was in the hotel room detoxing in Columbia.
On June 7 AM goes into work at 12:09 pm "because her was dragging"
in this clip from the second interview... I think that AM lets a cat out of the bag... when discussing when Paul went to the kinnels...
AM tells owens that "he's assuming Paul left because... you know, of WHAT HAPPENED...." AM catches himself and Owens doesn't seem too.
Speculating here.... mags and paw paw confronted or took AM's pills again after a big fight... Maggie stormed out to the kinnels... paul went a few minutes later "...because of what happened".
AM took the golf cart fuming mad down there after stewing a few minutes... (paul why'd you have to get involved) . Un-alived them.
Detoxing AM got a bag of pills from Paul's pocket... went back to the house.
While AM claimed to have a 60 pill habit... he had to keep replacing all of the pills that Paul and Maggie were taking from him... inflating the pill count and money expenditure.
If Paul never makes that video at the kennels, he’s most likely never even charged. Even the Snapchat video wouldn’t of been an issue bc it aligned with his story he’d been riding around the property with Paul.
Just kind of wild to think of where this would all be without that video.
Hence that is EXACTLY the reason he lied about it. He was PERFECT about everything else except for that damn video. It put him at the site just before the time of the murder and he knew it. THAT is why he lied about not being there.
People that don't think he is guilty is fixated on the fact that the phones going quiet means immediately after the video doesn't mean anything. Going quiet doesn't mean there was not any outgoing activity from the phones, it means there wasn't any MOVEMENT from the phones. Dead people can't move their phones.
You wonder if Eddie gets off Scott free on an attempted Murder charge if he says Alex did it.
If Waters doesn't bring a Doctor to testify about the pills Monday and prove Alec is lying again I will be surprised. My wife is a pharmacist and my stepdaughter is a Dr. they say there is no way humanly possible for him to take 60-100 30 mg pills of OxyContin a day. That is beyond ridiculous.
no inside info but eddie has given different statements - Alex had his chance to implicate him but did not
only thing I wonder is can the state get in the alleged admission to Eddie on why he wanted him to kill him on side of road
thought maybe waters would try to hone in on AM’s fantasy land facts
how much did you pay for a pill
what was the check to eddie smith for on _____? how many pills?
Like mentioned above
I think paranoid and angry AM went to use pills after dinner and Detective PawPaw had taken them
so when he realized that he went down to the kennels and confronted him
Paul refused and AM lost it in a rage
then HAD to kill MagsMags or whatever he wants to call her today
So you think it is more likely about drugs vs. the financial stuff?
I originally thought there was a chance you were a lawyer, now I know that isn’t true. No lawyer worth his cent would say what you just said. You are also incorrect about the murder charge in sc. They don’t differentiate between premeditated and not, aka first and second degree in most dates. However murder is defined in a way that he has to pull the trigger. In this case he is on trial for pulling the trigger, period.
Sounds like he has a love obsession with Mandy matney because this is the crap she spews.
If he's not guilty then why were all the lies and getting people to provide an alibi for him necessary.
thought maybe waters would try to hone in on AM’s fantasy land facts
how much did you pay for a pill
what was the check to eddie smith for on _____? how many pills?
Like mentioned above
I think paranoid and angry AM went to use pills after dinner and Detective PawPaw had taken them
so when he realized that he went down to the kennels and confronted him
Paul refused and AM lost it in a rage
then HAD to kill MagsMags or whatever he wants to call her today
I think the reasoning on how he could snap
financial was a ticking time bomb
Paul had him in a bind for the wreck
pills were the straw that broke his back
denying his fix may have been the trigger
he said he would never INTENTIONALLY hurt them
Never claimed to be a lawyer. What exactly do you have an issue with? Nothing I said is incorrect. I have listened to the majority of the evidence and there is no question in my mind the prosecution has presented enough evidence to prove his guilt. To date, the defense has not shot that down to any reasonable degree, they have not created reasonable doubt in my mind. Maybe they will in the coming days, i doubt they do.
Plenty of people have said on this board (I don’t know the statue) that in SC they do not differentiate between who pulls the trigger and those that didn’t but were part of the crime, hand of one is the hand of all. Is that not the case?
They haven’t proved beyond all doubt and they don’t have to. This is where we disagree. I told you in an earlier post this is the very issue you have. Your degree of reasonableness is the issue, you want certainty. The whole point I have been trying to make is the difference between reasonable and certain. You want certain.
AM has two missing guns, they happen to be the same type of guns that were used in the murders. The shell casing found at the crime scene can be linked forensically to other shell casings around the property. His Guns were there and then they were not. There is almost no question that the two missing guns were / are the guns used.
You have no clue if his pants were recovered or not. It is far from a fact. It was stated in the testimony he had numerous pairs of kaki pants. Sled took his clothes that night, they didn’t know there were other clothes until the tree video showed up. When asked he couldn’t provide the shirt and shoes and provides a random pair of pants.
I don’t pretend to say that SLED couldn’t or shouldn’t have done a better job in certain aspects. Regardless, the evidence I have seen is pretty damning.
The defense doesn’t have to create reasonable doubt.
The state has to prove beyond reasonable doubt he pulled the trigger.
This is level 101 stuff.
You are misinterpreting what I was saying. I am well aware of where the burden lies.
I have been consistent in arguing that the state has proved his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in my view. Had they not there may have been a directed verdict by the Judge which there wasn’t.
The state goes first and then the defense has to knock holes in their argument to show reasonable doubt if the State has done a good job of presenting evidence of his guilt.
It isn’t like they stop in the middle of the trial and take a straw poll from the jury so the defense knows how much work they have to do. So you best bet that the defense has to punch holes in the states case. They haven’t provided any evidence or testimony as of yet, that moves me off the man is guilty as can be.
They are running out of time, so they better start creating some reasonable doubt that is believable.
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You still have the way it works backwards. The state has to guilt. The defense does not have to prove innocence. They just have to leave enough doubt. They don’t even have to do it with evidence. Lots of things instill doubt. Including words that don’t pertain to evidence. That is why Alex was very clear on the words he used and he allowed Waters to use. Not having the guns is enough doubt that they were his. Not having some hard evidence that he pulled the trigger also leaves enough reasonable doubt for me.
It’s up to me to decide where that line is, just like it’s up to every juror. The smallest things can sway a juror. Something as simple as “what if it were your neighbor that was on trial and all that existed was circumstantial evidence to put him behind bars.” Something that simple can sway a verdict.
We are not going to agree the reasonable doubt is there. I think there is plenty and you don’t. You’re not going to see it my way and I’m not going to see it yours. Which is why it will be a hung jury.
People may stop using their phone.
But unless they are sleeping, they likely aren't stopping taking steps. Especially if they are outside.
You know who doesn't take steps? Dead people.
Yeah, I heard the prosecution say the phones went dead, but never defined what that meant. Did it mean their phones were never used after that time or they were never moved or used.
You quoted me but I wasn't responding to phones. But, since you asked, yes they were moved. Moved by AM at placed on top of his son and Maggie's was moved and thrown out the window as AM drove to mama's house. Was found on side of road. I believe they mean that calls/texts were not answered. The phones were not used again.
Shows the mentality that existed in that town and how he had everyone snowed with his lies......just like he is trying to do to the jury
Calling his son Paw paw is the biggest joke.... never said his name in ant interview ever til the trial....the tears and dripping snot to go with the incessant lies is something to behold
If jurors cannot see through his BS, I feel sorry for them
Pissing off sled doesn’t cost him his murder trial. That’s what I meant, what does he have to lose by pissing off sled.
I have nothing backwards, you seem to lack fundamental reading comprehension skills.
You are now using the word reasonable doubt, we all know that isn’t what you really mean. Your previous posts speak for themselves. You specifically stated “beyond all doubt” just a few posts back which is what you are really looking for and you have said it over and over through out this trial.
You have constantly highlighted insignificant things as legitimate reason to doubt AM’s guilt and dismissed hard evidence against him for confounding reasons.
You are right about one thing, we won’t agree. There may be a hung jury, I think it is more likely they convict, but I don’t view it as a complete slam dunk. It should be, but there are very gullible people in this world and it would not shock me to find out that a few are duped by ol Eleck.
Why didn’t they ping together? Why wasn’t the phone busted up or was it? I think it’s far from fact that he threw it out the window.
Yeah I think they even used the word sense. CW asked if the dogs sensed anything like any people around and AM said no.
The phone pings sometimes based on distance and sometimes based on time...perhaps as infrequent as every 30 minutes or so...as I understand it. I have no idea why he didn't smash the phone. But the final activity of MM phone matched when his car passed by the spot where her phone was found.
This is just wrong. They have proven the guns used were Alex's. They were just disposed of somehow. They were tied directly to other shells found at the farm.
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