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⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

Alex is also a narcissist. He will not under any circumstance commit suicide.

No doubt. Honestly, I’d be a terrible juror in this case. The fact that he’s gone through all of these “trials” and hasn’t driven to the middle of moselle and suck started a shotgun tells me he’s a narcissist who will lie at any corner to protect himself.
 
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As a professional navigator, I enjoy hearing you expound on the shortcomings of GPS.

GPS is one of the most revolutionary inventions of our lifetime. The signal civilians can use is accurate within 2 meters. Our military encrypted version is far more accurate than that.

Amazing considering I learned to navigate originally with a sextant.
There are systems that are way more accurate than 2 meters. I daily achieve 2 inch tolerances with gps. However the system that is in that suv is no where near that capability. Matter of fact it’s not much better than your phone . Which also is going to considerably less than 2 meters. I meant down falls in that equipment not gps as a whole. GPS as a whole is great and getting better every year.
 
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What are your thoughts on his non stop nodding and rocking while listening to testimony. And when he assumes the stand he stops? I seriously thought the guy had Parkinsons.


He did that a little bit on the stand as well. It's calculated and performative. He does it in an attempt to exhibit distress.

This is just from memory and I've only watched Waters' cross once, but I believe when Waters says something to the effect of "Ok, let's talk about June 7th," Alex starts to nod and rock back and forth. He wants to show the jury "this subject matter is painful to me but I'm trying my best to get through it."

I'm no body language expert to be clear.
 
He knew damn good and well the life insurance would pay out if he killed himself. If he wanted to "be gone" why didn't he off himself after Eddie "missed"? Because he would NEVER kill himself. He has always thought he would get out of all of this.


Alex still thinks he will get out of all of this. I fully believe that he believes he will never serve a day in any prison.
 
no time limit on decision to try a second time

I would expect the state would wait to see how much time he gets on Theft crimes

Lots of years on paper but as many have alluded to here, white collar (financial) crimes are easier to reduce and/or challenge

He still thinks he can get out at some point if no murder conviction


I have discussed this case with a prosecutor in the 14th circuit who states that Alex will be tried again if hung jury (and no plea deal reached.)
 
That is a pedicure. You said "manicure". Pedicure = feet. Alex text to her confirms pedicure. Feet.
No shit Sherlock. Harpootlian said manicure. Maybe Blanca corrected him. It's a non issue.

Do we know the manicure had not finished before moving to her feet? The same place does both.
 
That’s a new theory to me. I haven’t heard that there are those that want to stand up to the government so they will vote a certain way in a trial.

That’s interesting.
Hey, like Fits, I have inside sources. Fits, me, another 10,000 people and AM knew his scam was up.
Reported by whom? Why would her best friend/sister testify that she was happily married? Makes no sense
Lots of men and women pretend to their families that they are happily married. In America, a successful person, in many places, is supposed to be happily married. It is very common for couples to keep the deep secret that they are miserable very quiet. It has been reported that AM's wife had discussed her situation with a divorce lawyer. It has also been reported she had moved to have a forensic account of AM and her finances to find out the truth and so to know what her status would be if she left AM. AM has admitted that both his wife and his son knew of his drug abuse and were fighting back against it.

Many who have seen others consistently defend AM no matter what comes up, suspect his defenders discredit all such reports.

Others, knowing about AM's deceit, theft, whoring, lying and drug use will make a rational analysis and think it makes perfect sense that his wife would want to leave him. And many would think her sister might be the last to know she was miserable. Others would think it civil and caring for her sister to say Maggie was happily married now that she is dead. The 'reports' make more sense than the lack of them would make.
 
Hey, like Fits, I have inside sources. Fits, me, another 10,000 people and AM knew his scam was up.

Lots of men and women pretend to their families that they are happily married. In America, a successful person, in many places, is supposed to be happily married. It is very common for couples to keep the deep secret that they are miserable very quiet. It has been reported that AM's wife had discussed her situation with a divorce lawyer. It has also been reported she had moved to have a forensic account of AM and her finances to find out the truth and so to know what her status would be if she left AM. AM has admitted that both his wife and his son knew of his drug abuse and were fighting back against it.

Many who have seen others consistently defend AM no matter what comes up, suspect his defenders discredit all such reports.

Others, knowing about AM's deceit, theft, whoring, lying and drug use will make a rational analysis and think it makes perfect sense that his wife would want to leave him. And many would think her sister might be the last to know she was miserable. Others would think it civil and caring for her sister to say Maggie was happily married now that she is dead. The 'reports' make more sense than the lack of them would make.
I do not think there is a journalistic report of any integrity that mentions divorce lawyer and/or forensic accountant. So give me a link, please.
 
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You are the one who said the testimony mentioned manicure. And you are the one who is wrong. I agree it's a non issue.
It did mention the word manicure.

You can watch the trial of you wish and you'll see and hear it for yourself. I believe it was about 9 days ago.
 
Hey, like Fits, I have inside sources. Fits, me, another 10,000 people and AM knew his scam was up.

Lots of men and women pretend to their families that they are happily married. In America, a successful person, in many places, is supposed to be happily married. It is very common for couples to keep the deep secret that they are miserable very quiet. It has been reported that AM's wife had discussed her situation with a divorce lawyer. It has also been reported she had moved to have a forensic account of AM and her finances to find out the truth and so to know what her status would be if she left AM. AM has admitted that both his wife and his son knew of his drug abuse and were fighting back against it.

Many who have seen others consistently defend AM no matter what comes up, suspect his defenders discredit all such reports.

Others, knowing about AM's deceit, theft, whoring, lying and drug use will make a rational analysis and think it makes perfect sense that his wife would want to leave him. And many would think her sister might be the last to know she was miserable. Others would think it civil and caring for her sister to say Maggie was happily married now that she is dead. The 'reports' make more sense than the lack of them would make.
I would think her sister wants justice more than lying while under oath by saying her sister was happy in her marriage.
 
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I saw someone ask a couple good questions on a different site. That I believe also need to be addressed.

It was found in court that sled lied about a major piece of evidence to the grand jury when indicting Alex for murder. The other significant piece of evidence was only brought to the states attention during the trial. Take those away and I can’t possibly see how anyone could even indict him let alone him be guilty, so what exactly did they think they had?
 
You may think that but in similar situation I see otherwise.
Thats perfectly fine. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. If my sister were murdered I'd want justice served rather than me be polite on the stand (and potentially incriminate myself by giving false testimony).
 
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In what way? Serious question here as I've aligned very closely with your posts. I didn't have the chance to follow yesterday and probably won't go back and listen today.
I'm very engrossed into this tragedy and it's eventual conclusion but, quite honestly, am a bit burnt out with the process.
Cliffs will be fine.
And, are there still defense witnesses yet to testify or has the case now gone to jury?
Thanks.


Defense said they have 4 witnesses left and should rest Monday afternoon. I believe state will then bring in at least two more witnesses. No telling when the jury gets the case - Maybe Thursday? Friday?

As for Waters' exposing Alex, cliffs are:


Alex says that he lied about kennel because he was paranoid. His paranoia was somewhat drug induced, but mainly the result of the following factors (I might leave one out, but point remains)

1. His law partners arrived at scene and told him be careful talking with LE
2. During his interview with David Owen, Alex says he had pills in his pocket
3. Alex says he thought David Owen was a different SLED agent whom Alex believed acted in bad faith 10 years ago
4. Alex says David Owen's questions about his relationship with his wife and son also made him paranoid

Waters then played body cam footage of the first officer on scene. Alex lies to that officer about being at kennel. Thus, his paranoia excuse is exposed as a lie because his lie to that first officer occurs before every single factor that he listed as causes of his paranoia/lie about kennel.
 
Defense said they have 4 witnesses left and should rest Monday afternoon. I believe state will then bring in at least two more witnesses. No telling when the jury gets the case - Maybe Thursday? Friday?

As for Waters' exposing Alex, cliffs are:


Alex says that he lied about kennel because he was paranoid. His paranoia was somewhat drug induced, but mainly the result of the following factors (I might leave one out, but point remains)

1. His law partners arrived at scene and told him be careful talking with LE
2. During his interview with David Owen, Alex says he had pills in his pocket
3. Alex says he thought David Owen was a different SLED agent whom Alex believed acted in bad faith 10 years ago
4. Alex says David Owen's questions about his relationship with his wife and son also made him paranoid

Waters then played body cam footage of the first officer on scene. Alex lies to that officer about being at kennel. Thus, his paranoia excuse is exposed as a lie because his lie to that first officer occurs before every single factor that he listed as causes of his paranoia/lie about kennel.

There was absolutely no reason for AM to lie to the police if he truly believed someone had killed his wife and child. Why would you not cooperate with them in hopes of catching the killer?

It's wild to me that people are the facts in this case and have reasonable doubt. It's not at all reasonable to think someone else did this.
 
This is technically true. But there was testimony from housekeeper that she found Maggie's ring under driver seat of the Mercedes. If jury believes that to be true, why did Maggie put her ring there? Why wasn't she wearing it?
I don't put much importance to that. She could have simply lost her ring and not known where it was.
 
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I saw someone ask a couple good questions on a different site. That I believe also need to be addressed.

It was found in court that sled lied about a major piece of evidence to the grand jury when indicting Alex for murder. The other significant piece of evidence was only brought to the states attention during the trial. Take those away and I can’t possibly see how anyone could even indict him let alone him be guilty, so what exactly did they think they had?
Serious question: Do you know what these relate to? The SLED lie and the other evidence. Or are you asking what the lie was and what the recent evidence is?
 
Yes I do not believe he pulled the trigger. I don’t buy in to half the circumstantial evidence that has been presented. It still leaves a crap load of doubt in my opinion. If he was on trial for stealing, or being a crappy person, yes. But he is on trial for murder, pulling the trigger, not accessory to murder. The state has no evidence that he pulled the triggers. I don’t care if Alex lied. It’s the states burden to prove and I see no quality evidence to murder.


You didn't respond to me yesterday, but oh well....

You are saying that you either need video of Alex shooting them or the gun. And even if the state showed you the gun, that doesn't "prove Alex pulled the trigger." You are being unreasonable and failing to connect the dots, IMO. You see "no quality evidence?" What does that even mean?

On top of that, you state that "I don't care if Alex lied." That' damning "quality evidence," is it not? Why does an innocent man lie to LE IMMEDIATELY about being with them? This could be extremely helpful in the investigation.

Answer me this ... Can you imagine any circumstance whatsoever wherein you would lie to LE like Alex did? You find your immediate family dead and lie about being with them? Tell me one single circumstance where you would do that. That is the thought process I hope the jurors undertake.
 
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-dope paranoia
-deputy took GSR from him
-law partners told him to be careful
-got in the car with a specific SLED agent that he didn't trust
-and that he was asked by LE about relationship with Maggie and Paul

But he was lying to law enforcement before any of those facts existed.
Exactly. He even lied about why he lied.

I think he is guilty based on the evidence. Two things I don’t get.

Why did he want to kill Maggie?

Why was he adamant multiple times that no one else was there? It’s like he was protecting someone more than he wanted to raise the possibility that someone else was there to do the murders. I assume that Buster had a verified alibi. The other alternative is that he is protecting someone else that did it for him, in which case he is still guilty. Maybe it means nothing, but it’s weird.
 
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