It’s insane where some of these theories come from. I hope there are some very level headed common sense people on that jury that can look at the evidence and timeline and lies and come to a unanimous verdict
⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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Two things. Your, or any juror's, definition of reasonable is important. If your definition of reasonable doubt is anything less than having witnessed it yourself, that is certainly important.
Second, you did not address my statement about the guns. You are correct that they do not have possession of the murder weapons. However, it was proven that the murder weapons used were the same weapons from which casings/shells were were found in areas of the property where the murders were not committed. again, that would mean the killer would have had to run/drive around various other parts of the property randomly shooting at nothing for the guns not to have belonged to AM. Is that something you think is reasonable to believe happened?
The prosecution never made mention of his indirect involvement. They have focused on him actually doing it himself. I am actually shocked they did not have any cameras up on the property. With the amount of acreage and equipment I would have thought they would have had cameras up.
Please tell us what other plausible scenario exists, other than him pulling the trigger, within the known facts.
The only other scenario I see would be the chance that he hired the same person/people that he hired to try and kill him. But I do not think that scenario has ever been brought up
I kept asking this myself too. Really surprised they’ve never had any cameras in that property.
That’s possible except that SLED/FBI did not find any other cell phone pings in the area during that time. Drug dealers always carry cell phones.
Yeah. I have friends that have cheap camera systems put up and they are actually pretty damn good. Small investment for such a large area of land
And the vehicle he was driving slowed down at that spot as well which is more telling than just driving by the spot
I do think the media's hatred for Murdaugh (justified hatred) has slanted their professionalism a bit. I see a ton of media members declaring him guilty as of now. I do strongly feel Alex knows much more than he is saying BUT again to vote guilty for murder I just have to see more than I have seen in my limited time.
Even harder than that as the AR shells that were around the property, the brass had already turned color so the killers would have had to spread shells around property months before
Did it really slow down? ...i remember he was traveling at 42 mph right then and then sped up, much like one would drive when getting up to speed on a rural highway. But i think Jim Griffin sort of squashed that theory of "slowing down". Whether he slowed down or not doesnt change the fact that he threw it out the window.
There is a reason that a juror, if he gets sick or has an emergency and is going to miss a day of the trial, is dismissed from the jury.
Thanks @Clemblack. I appreaciate your taking time to comment.
Nothing honest about most of your posts ITT. I think most people realize at this point you are just a troll. You must be related to the Murdaugh clan.
I’m not the only one in here saying they would vote not guilty, I guess we are all trolls from what I can tell by polls I have seen. 25% of people paying attention say not guilty.
In life, I have met many people that like to argue just for the sake of arguing. And I think you guys have found one of those people.
They do have cameras up, but like most hunting properties, they have them where they expect to see game, at food plots, feeders, etc. They are not likely to have cameras around the structures for hunting purposes, maybe for security.
It isn’t that you have issues with guilt, it is all the stuff you say to justify it. You’re not honest about the facts of the case.
I'm bumping my post from the Wednesday before Am testified to illustrate that now Jim Griffin knows (unequivocally) that AM is a very involved in the death of PM and MM.
Furthermore.... any of AM's family and friends whom he told his original story now knows he is responsible for their deaths as well.
There could still be a hung jury, but reasonable know better... I think AM is starting to realize that himself.
Alex completely lied about where he was during/minutes before his wife and son freakin killed.
Put yourself in his shoes. There’s no reason anyone would ever lie about that. You’d be freaking the fvck out. You’d be telling SLED that holy shit I was just with them. I ran back up to the house, then tried to call, ran to Almeda, came back and boom! (Even though the tried to call made very little sense)
But at the minimum…you would never lie about not just being with them down at the kennel. No reason to lie about that. Your final moments with your wife and kid would be very vivid. Especially when you found out that their phones went dead like 10 minutes after you just saw them. After hearing that you’d be like holy shit what just happened. Someone must have seen me walk away from them and then BOOM!
I don’t know that they can prove it was exactly at 8:49, you can’t get to the exact minute of death with the body temperature, you can get into a range and that time is in the range. I think the 8:49 is based off of various phone activities or lack there of and activity they are pretty certain is credited to the killer. Pretty certain they have boxed it in to a 3-5 minute window.
Based on Alex’s own admissions and all data points, he was on the property. The whole, i was taking a nap thing, has totally fallen to the wayside, that was his excuse early on. The nap thing doesn’t make sense now that he has had to fess up he was at the kennels. There was no time for a nap, He left the property with in about 15 minutes or so of killing them. So now he says he left the kennels at approximately 8:48 - 8:49 and came back to the house, sat on the couch and maybe dozed off and was scurrying around less than 15 minutes later with 287 steps and multiple phone calls and leaving the house at 9:04 i think.
I think he hightailed it back to the house with the guns, wrapped them in a rain coat, stripped naked and stashed it all in his suburban. Showers in the house quickly and is running around franticly calling people, calls Maggie a few times trying to establish an alibi.
The weird thing about calling Maggie is it doesn’t make sense. He was just with her (now that he‘s admitted to being at the kennels) a few minutes prior and he is supposedly calling her to let her know he was leaving. Called her twice (and of course she doesn’t answer b/c she is dead). But instead of driving out that way to say I am leaving after calling twice and getting no answer, he doesn’t do that. None of that really makes logical sense. If the plan all along was to go to Alameda you would tell her when you last saw her like 15 minutes ago, hey I am going to leave shortly to go see mom. If you called twice and couldn’t talk, wouldn’t you drive literally 60 seconds or less out of your way to say you were leaving.
His whole story is crumbing when put under scrutiny and you ask yourself would a normal person act this way, and of course no one would. Only someone who had murdered their wife and son and was trying to figure out what to do.
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Is it a pretty good source or more of a who knows if this is true type deal?
LOL, at this point, I am not sure that would be enough, it would be too grainy to 100% say it was Alex.
8:49-9:04 is 15 minutes. That’s a lot of cleaning up to do in 15 minutes. Alex wasn’t known for being neat and organized. He left stuff everywhere regularly.
So I’m supposed to believe that in 15 minutes, a sloppy guy kills two people with two different guns, manages to clean all blood spatter and gsr from himself and the golf cart, store away two guns, grab Maggie’s phone, head back to the house, take a shower, make a plethora of phone calls, hop in the car and take off.
That is extremely hard for me to believe. Why didn’t Maggie’s phone ping at the house when Alex went back to the house to shower?
These are some of the things that are hard for me to understand how he did it, or if he did, how he did it by himself.
Law enforcement should have been able to nail this guy. They didn’t lock the scene down, they didn’t lock the house down, they didn’t lock his moms house down. Because they didn’t, reasonable doubt can and does exist in this case.
Jury work question.....
The jury as a whole is charged with rendering a verdict. The charge has been made. The evidence for conviction presented. The defense has tried to raise reasonable doubt. All the laws, processes and procedures have been followed. So it is now time for the jury to choose innocent or guilty.
I think the jury process is designed to be deliberative. I do not think each juror is to act completely independently of the other jurors and of the process. Society in the American form of government and law is trying to adjudicate the outcome of a crime, investigation and trial process. I believe the process is supposed to be conclusive and that the best jurors are aiming to do their job collecctively, not individually.
Many on this site seem to view the jury process is an all individual voting process. Some seem to suggest nothing in the jury process should be deliberative and designed to produce a consensus verdict. Others seem to say they know what they would do, say or think and that no input from the other jurors is going to change their mind. As I see it, some say that once they have an opinion, they will defend it to the point of walking away with a hung jury.
Which view is the correct one?
The jury as a whole is charged with rendering a verdict. The charge has been made. The evidence for conviction presented. The defense has tried to raise reasonable doubt. All the laws, processes and procedures have been followed. So it is now time for the jury to choose innocent or guilty.
I think the jury process is designed to be deliberative. I do not think each juror is to act completely independently of the other jurors and of the process. Society in the American form of government and law is trying to adjudicate the outcome of a crime, investigation and trial process. I believe the process is supposed to be conclusive and that the best jurors are aiming to do their job collecctively, not individually.
Many on this site seem to view the jury process is an all individual voting process. Some seem to suggest nothing in the jury process should be deliberative and designed to produce a consensus verdict. Others seem to say they know what they would do, say or think and that no input from the other jurors is going to change their mind. As I see it, some say that once they have an opinion, they will defend it to the point of walking away with a hung jury.
Which view is the correct one?
Good explanations of AMs body language here
Alex Murdaugh's crocodile tears? Body language experts claim he lied
Prosecutor Creighton Waters told jurors at the start of the trial that they would have to 'watch Alex Murdaugh's expressions closely' and listen carefully to 'what he's saying and to what he's not saying.'
www.dailymail.co.uk
I am not going to disagree with what you said, but I have to think that Poot and Jim made Alex sign a document stating they advised against him testifying. I don’t know that they can do that or not, not sure why they wouldn’t be able to but if I am them, I don’t want to be accused of malpractice. So I am pretty sure Jim would not have pushed him to do it just to be done with it.
I can’t imagine how either of them would think the risk was worth the reward. I would have to think that most would view it as a mistake at this point. AM faired well on Thursday but Waters ate him up on Friday and now the jury has all weekend to think about the lies AM was caught in.
It was abundantly clear neither poot nor Jim wanted him on that stand.
