⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

[Clemblack]

I’m not the only one in here saying they would vote not guilty, I guess we are all trolls from what I can tell by polls I have seen. 25% of people paying attention say not guilty.

There are a few others who would vote not guilty.

But you're the only person who makes the unreasonable statement "I don't care about Alex's lie." That's the biggest piece of damning evidence in this case. The case revolves around it, and you claim to simply 100% dismiss it as unimportant, not impactful at all in your decision making. It's outright asinine.

 

[castlesl]

The evidence has to remove doubt to that fact not show that it is true. I don’t know that the evidence has done that’s I think there is still reasonable doubt there.

What does this even mean? “The evidence has to remove doubt to the fact not shown that it is true”?

Can you take a few more sentences to repeat what you are trying to say?

 

[castlesl]

I think Maggie ran right into the line of fire... Buster (I know you mean Paul)

Probalby at first and then realized what was going on. I am sure she thought the first shot was an accidental discharge and she was coming to give aide.

 

[Clemblack]

What was the proof for the 8:49 death again? Cell phone backlight?

A few things, but most importantly 22-year-old Paul's phone locking forever w/ no further activity after being VERY actively engaged in multiple interactions with multiple people, and being asked for a video of the dog's tail which he secured but never sent. Maggie's phone also locks forever at roughly the same time.

 

[Ole Tom]

If you found one, provide a link. I don't care but this "you google it" is just so stupid. And pretty common here in many threads.

Google "Was Maggie Murdaugh seeking a divorce?" Follow the links. Do your own research. How is it stupid to state the obvious?

Maggie Murdaugh Saw a Divorce Lawyer 6 Weeks Before She and Her Son Were Murdered: Source

Authorities continue to investigate the mysterious June 7 shooting deaths of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh

people.com

Is People an unimpeachable source? Is there such a thing as unimpeachable source? Of course not.

Has it been reported that Maggie, the wife living apart from her drug addicted, lying, stealing husband was talking about a divorce? YES. Recall she was living apart from her husband who would not quit his drug abuse and she was separated from her wedding ring at the time of her death.

Now, as entirely predictable, you can decide to disregard the report. And others of us, relying on opinions that Maggie Murdaugh was the better half of that marriage, can use our judgement and cheer the now dead woman for investigating getting away from AM. And we can bemoan the fact he killed her.

Why does AM seem to command support from people who do not know anything about him they have not heard of second or third or fourth hand? Beats me. On the basis of 2nd or 3rd or 4th hand info, the same info you have, I think the POS killed his wife. In my view my assessment fits the knowable facts better than other assessments.

I hope the jury does its job well.

 

[TigerTC]

This thread shows why it can be so difficult for the State to win cases like this — and so easy for defense attorneys.

Skeptics will look for anything, no matter how unreasonable or incidental or irrelevant, not to face the common sense truth of what happened. A SLED agent made a comment about blood spatter to a grand jury? A few things weren’t done perfectly at the crime scene? Maggie’s phone didn’t ping exactly in line with the rest of the theory?

They expect a perfectly explained case to be handed to them on a platter — even though the world, and the people in it, is rife with with imprecision and uncertainty.

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that Alex Murdaugh was with his wife and son minutes before they were killed with his guns. Alex Murdaugh then proceeded to lie, early and often, to law enforcement about the most horrible event in his life. And people want to explain that away and let him get away with it for the silliest, most irrelevant reasons.

 

[CLEMSON96JDH]

If he uses his own hand gun, that is tougher to explain away later. How did someone else get “his” gun.

The long guns were used in hunting and left around and occasionally even misplaced. Probably can’t say the same for his hand gun.

Why he chose two different guns is weird but I think that is why he did it that way because it would be weird and could give the impression of two shooters. It‘s an easy way to add an extra layer.

Shot guns work well up close, the blackout gives you range. I think he had both and wanted to use them both but it also gave him a wider range of options not knowing exactly how it was going to unfold. If Maggie ran immediately (which she probably didn’t) the shotgun would not have done him any good. That is why I am almost certain Paul was killed first.

Or they were already on the golf cart loaded.

 

[Clemblack]

Shot guns aren’t very loud. I don’t always wear ear pro when I shoot any gauge of shotgun.

It’s been testified the 300 blackout had a suppressor. So probably even quieter than that shotgun was.

Yes he was a liar. No doubt about it.

I still have a hard time believing he, by himself, pulled that timeline off.

Also Maggie’s phone is a problem for me. It didn’t ping by the house after Alex would have had to bring it back near the house. Alex, Paul, maggie (earlier in the day) all had their phones pinging in and around the house. For some reason this time though, Maggie’s phone doesn’t ping.

Sure, 00 12 gauge buckshot isn't very loud. OK.

And I missed the evidence of a suppressor on the blackout. Not saying I'm certain it didn't have one, but where was that testimony?

 

[Clemblack]

Name a reason that he would impede the investigation into the murder of his (beloved) wife and son?

He believes Alex is protecting himself and Buster against a drug gang, and that's why Alex lied to LE. He does not care one iota about Alex's lie, as he's stated in this thread, and completely dismisses it. He is not credible. He ignores testimony that Alex and Buster took no security precautions following the murders.

 

[castlesl]

Google "Was Maggie Murdaugh seeking a divorce?" Follow the links. Do your own research. How is it stupid to state the obvious?

Maggie Murdaugh Saw a Divorce Lawyer 6 Weeks Before She and Her Son Were Murdered: Source

Authorities continue to investigate the mysterious June 7 shooting deaths of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh

people.com

Is People an unimpeachable source? Is there such a thing as unimpeachable source? Of course not.

Has it been reported that Maggie, the wife living apart from her drug addicted, lying, stealing husband was talking about a divorce? YES. Recall she was living apart from her husband who would not quit his drug abuse and she was separated from her wedding ring at the time of her death.

Now, as entirely predictable, you can decide to disregard the report. And others of us, relying on opinions that Maggie Murdaugh was the better half of that marriage, can use our judgement and cheer the now dead woman for investigating getting away from AM. And we can bemoan the fact he killed her.

Why does AM seem to command support from people who do not know anything about him they have not heard of second or third or fourth hand? Beats me. On the basis of 2nd or 3rd or 4th hand info, the same info you have, I think the POS killed his wife. In my view my assessment fits the knowable facts better than other assessments.

I hope the jury does its job well.

Nobody is going to accuse me of being friendly to AM or his situation but If the above was true, it seems odd that it would not be apart of the trial and in testimony.

It absolutely would be considered motive to kill Maggie as any divorce dives into the finances and marital assets. So either something is shaky about it or it wasn’t really as black and white as People made it.

None of Maggies friends and family that have testified have said anything other than they loved each other. It was stated multiple times that Maggie preferred the beach over Mosselle, particularly during the heat of the summer.

This was not the first year she had spent a lot of time over the summer at the beach. It was also stated that since the boat wreck she felt people had turned on them and it didn’t sound like she wanted to be in Hampton any longer. Throw in they were remodeling the Edisto home and work was being done and it becomes difficult to view her being there in a bad light as it pertains to Alex.

 

[castlesl]

Or they were already on the golf cart loaded.

They may have been, may have just stashed them somewhere he could grab them quick, laying against the side of the wall of the feed room. Sounds like no one would have gasped had that been the case. Not sure I have heard of an entire family being so careless with leaving guns laying around like they did.

 

[PawsFan_]

Shot guns aren’t very loud. I don’t always wear ear pro when I shoot any gauge of shotgun.

It’s been testified the 300 blackout had a suppressor. So probably even quieter than that shotgun was.

Yes he was a liar. No doubt about it.

I still have a hard time believing he, by himself, pulled that timeline off.

Also Maggie’s phone is a problem for me. It didn’t ping by the house after Alex would have had to bring it back near the house. Alex, Paul, maggie (earlier in the day) all had their phones pinging in and around the house. For some reason this time though, Maggie’s phone doesn’t ping.

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Shotguns aren't loud? Anything over 140 DB does damage to your ear. The APU on the airplane I flew was 140 DB which required us to wear double hearing protection around it. A shotgun is 150 DB. Remember that decibels are logarithmic.

 

[gooddogjudge]

Google "Was Maggie Murdaugh seeking a divorce?" Follow the links. Do your own research. How is it stupid to state the obvious?

Maggie Murdaugh Saw a Divorce Lawyer 6 Weeks Before She and Her Son Were Murdered: Source

Authorities continue to investigate the mysterious June 7 shooting deaths of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh

people.com

Is People an unimpeachable source? Is there such a thing as unimpeachable source? Of course not.

Has it been reported that Maggie, the wife living apart from her drug addicted, lying, stealing husband was talking about a divorce? YES. Recall she was living apart from her husband who would not quit his drug abuse and she was separated from her wedding ring at the time of her death.

Now, as entirely predictable, you can decide to disregard the report. And others of us, relying on opinions that Maggie Murdaugh was the better half of that marriage, can use our judgement and cheer the now dead woman for investigating getting away from AM. And we can bemoan the fact he killed her.

Why does AM seem to command support from people who do not know anything about him they have not heard of second or third or fourth hand? Beats me. On the basis of 2nd or 3rd or 4th hand info, the same info you have, I think the POS killed his wife. In my view my assessment fits the knowable facts better than other assessments.

I hope the jury does its job well.

I stand corrected (assuming I am willing to consider an unnamed source in People magazine as some form of journalistic integrity).

And I agree people put up fronts all the time. I do find it odd that MP would testify that her sister was happy...but now that I think about it she said happy instead of happily married. For whatever that's worth.

And I think it's beyond obvious who killed MM and PM.

 

[PawsFan_]

All you guys are starting to tick me off. Every time I come back to this thread it's increased by 4 pages. I don't have that much time to keep reading this and keeping up! Slow down please! 😁

 

[castlesl]

I disagree that’s the most damning fact. Sorry that’s my opinion. Obviously others are over looking the lying to be so damning as well. Seeing as they see him as not guilty.

I don’t think anyone has an issue with you having an opinion, or what the conclusion of your opinion is.

It is how you have arrived at your opinion, and the obvious disregard of common sense and logic in your explanation.

As William F. Buckley once said. “I am not going to insult your intelligence by believing what you just said”.

 

[Ole Tom]

Oh boy.

All you guys are starting to tick me off. Every time I come back to this thread it's increased by 4 pages. I don't have that much time to keep reading this and keeping up! Slow down please! 😁

Well, I am retired, my kids are grown, and I enjoy typing. I just got home from church, it is cold and rainy outside and here we are.

What is your excuse?

 

[castlesl]

Sure, 00 12 gauge buckshot isn't very loud. OK.

And I missed the evidence of a suppressor on the blackout. Not saying I'm certain it didn't have one, but where was that testimony?

It was stated in news articles that it had one but apparently that isn’t true, Alex never filled out the paperwork (you have to get approval from the ATF to get a suppressor, its a process).

 

[Clemblack]

I think Boom and a couple of others are misunderstanding "reasonable doubt" as it applies to our legal system. They seem to hold the opinion that if they can point to "reasonable doubt" about any particular piece of evidence, that the state has not made an effective enough case to vote guilty.

For example, they question the state's evidence that Alex through Maggie's phone out the window. In their opinion, this creates "reasonable doubt" in their mind - "Aha, see here? reasonable doubt about this phone so not guilty."

These people are failing to take an honest look at the totality of the evidence, because they misunderstand the entire premise of the burden of proof. The burden of proof IS NOT TO BE APPLIED TO EACH PIECE OF EVIDENCE PRESENTED. The burden of proof applies to the entire case, the totality of evidence.

 

[gooddogjudge]

Well, I am retired, my kids are grown, and I enjoy typing. I just got home from church, it is cold and rainy outside and here we are.

What is your excuse?

My excuse for what?

 

[Clemblack]

It was stated in news articles that it had one but there apparently that isn’t true, Alex never filled out the paperwork (you have to get approval from the ATF to get a suppressor, its a process).

Exactly.
So each of the shots (7, I think?) would have been extremely loud.

 

[Clemblack]

The evidence has to remove doubt to that fact not show that it is true. I don’t know that the evidence has done that’s I think there is still reasonable doubt there.

Can anyone explain this sentence?

 

[gooddogjudge]

Can anyone explain this sentence?

The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

[castlesl]

Exactly.
So each of the shots (7, I think?) would have been extremely loud.

For sure, I would venture to say it would have been impossible for someone in the house and awake to not hear them. Maybe if they had music turned up loudly, but just a normal setting for a TV wouldn’t have been enough to drown out that many shots that close by.

 

[poates6]

And if I was in the jury room I would make a big deal about your last statement. It is irresponsible to let the likelihood of a conviction in another case impact your duty to decide in this one. Not saying people won’t think it, but they should probably not say it out loud.

I never said my last statement had any bearings on my decision in the murder case. You continue jumping to conclusions to benefit you and what you want to be the outcome. Objectivity has to matter.

I do find it interesting in your mind you’ve timed how long it will take you to kill multiple people and clean all evidence up.

See how easy it is to twist words…..

 

[Clemblack]

I don’t know if you are calling me out specifically or not and I’m not really responding to being called out. I do want to clear up something. Last night when my words lead some to believe that it was an individual process that wasn’t my intent. The jury is charged with coming to a conclusion together. All the evidence is discussed and they have discussions much like we are having now. They try to convince each other to come to a unanimous verdict.

However, in some cases, jurors can not be swayed. At the end of the day it’s up to the individual juror to make the decision for himself. But it is a group ordeal. That’s when you arrive at hung juries.

I will also add I look at a couple different forums I freguant often that have threads such as this one. You see very few people who are on the fence it seems. There are some but most have decided and cannot be swayed. I feel that’s another inclination that a hung jury is the most likely verdict.

I feel there will be at least 1 hold out if not more. Some of that will depend on when the jury is handed the case. They do it on Friday and people are more likely just to say screw it and conform to the popular vote of the jury. I have seen that in the jury room myself.

Judge told us we had to stay late on a Friday night because we could not reach a verdict, told us he would order food. The 2 hold outs quickly flipped script with little talking when that message came from the judge. For the record I was not one of the 2. The only reason they had to suddenly change is they wanted to go home.

So you were able to connect those dots as to why those two jurors flipped? How were you able to do such a thing?

 

[poates6]

For sure, I would venture to say it would have been impossible or someone in the house and awake to not hear them. Maybe if they had music turned up loudly, but just a normal setting for a TV wouldn’t have been enough to drown out that many shots that close by.

If this were true why didn’t the prosecution prove it? Wouldn’t be hard. I’m a professional in the audio world and we test things and prove them all the time concerning db levels at different points in different spaces.

 

[poates6]

What does the lack of pinging suggest to you...did someone else have her phone for hours prior? Was she killed somewhere else and body dumped at Moselle? We know the phone was there. We know she used it throughout the day. What does the lack of pinging lead you to question? Genuinely curious.

If Alex took her phone with him. Brought back by the house to put it into his vehicle, why didn’t it register or ping near the house or the vehicle?

It’s another data point to me. If we are using phones and where they were and what they were doing, the absence of it is a data point much like the presence of it would be.

That’s what it leads me to question. For me I want to know who was there with Alex. I don’t believe that type of an individual could have done this all by himself. I believe he was there. I believe he knows what happened and i believe it’s possible he pulled the trigger on one of the guns.

 

[castlesl]

If this were true why didn’t the prosecution prove it? Wouldn’t be hard. I’m a professional in the audio world and we test things and prove them all the time concerning db levels at different points in different spaces.

For one, Alex claimed to be sleeping and so it likely was moot. How can you prove how heavy of sleeper someone is? It is only since Friday that Alex admitted he likely wasn’t sleeping.

 

[poates6]

They didn't have suppressors.
AM never did the paperwork... so he never got them. at the 5:14:50 mark

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[poates6]

All you guys are starting to tick me off. Every time I come back to this thread it's increased by 4 pages. I don't have that much time to keep reading this and keeping up! Slow down please! 😁

What’s the level of ticked off?? Slightly or @castlesl level where you’re in your head timing how long to kill several of us and clean all evidence?

 

[castlesl]

I never said my last statement had any bearings on my decision in the murder case. You continue jumping to conclusions to benefit you and what you want to be the outcome. Objectivity has to matter.

I do find it interesting in your mind you’ve timed how long it will take you to kill multiple people and clean all evidence up.

See how easy it is to twist words…..

If you will go back and re-eread, you will see I didn’t suggest it impacted your thinking. You made the statement and all I did was point out, had that statement been made during deliberation, it would be problematic for me.

You are so sensitive you don’t seem to have objectivity yourself.

And for the record, You didn’t twist my words, i said exactly that. Now did you try to frame it in innuendo? Sure, but it doesn’t bother me, It is actually the very thing that anyone looking to properly weigh the evidence in this case would do. So it doesn’t surprise me that you haven’t bothered to give it thought.

 

[castlesl]

What’s the level of ticked off?? Slightly or @castlesl level where you’re in your head timing how long to kill several of us and clean all evidence?

Pretty sure 5 min. or less for you. This is joke, so don’t feel threatened.

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

If Alex took her phone with him. Brought back by the house to put it into his vehicle, why didn’t it register or ping near the house or the vehicle?

It’s another data point to me. If we are using phones and where they were and what they were doing, the absence of it is a data point much like the presence of it would be.

That’s what it leads me to question. For me I want to know who was there with Alex. I don’t believe that type of an individual could have done this all by himself. I believe he was there. I believe he knows what happened and i believe it’s possible he pulled the trigger on one of the guns.

Wouldn’t it be odd that the phone didn’t “ping” anywhere along the line of it’s final destination no matter who grabbed it? Also, why would a random killer or another family member take her phone then discard it on the side of the road.

 

[castlesl]

If this were true why didn’t the prosecution prove it? Wouldn’t be hard. I’m a professional in the audio world and we test things and prove them all the time concerning db levels at different points in different spaces.

Calling BS on you being in the audio world and claiming shot guns are not loud.

 

[RDTiger13]

There is too many signs pointing to guilty for me to be able to overlook. I do not, however, have faith in others to reach the same conclusion. I think the best case is a hung jury and hope the state learns from mistakes and forms a better case.

 

[castlesl]

Wouldn’t it be odd that the phone didn’t “ping” anywhere along the line of it’s final destination no matter who grabbed it? Also, why would a random killer or another family member take her phone then discard it on the side of the road.

Potatoe head and Boom Boom aren’t interested in intelligent conversation. They are so zeroed in on the tree that has a few leaves missing they have no clue there is a forrest full of foliage.

 

[padtigers]

If I were a juror and taking in all of the evidence vs my evening catching up I could possibly have a different view. Alex is a lying POS scumbag human. That much is true for sure. But there are tons of people out there like Alex that would not ever murder someone. So for me I have to separate those factors. If there was blood splatter on Alex then yes that would be a HUGE piece in my eyes. But I do not recall that being a huge portion of the trial. The On Star and TikTok Video were bigger pieces for me and those did prove that Alex was lying. But like I have said, Alex sits there an innocent man thus far until the end.

 

[gooddogjudge]

If Alex took her phone with him. Brought back by the house to put it into his vehicle, why didn’t it register or ping near the house or the vehicle?

It’s another data point to me. If we are using phones and where they were and what they were doing, the absence of it is a data point much like the presence of it would be.

That’s what it leads me to question. For me I want to know who was there with Alex. I don’t believe that type of an individual could have done this all by himself. I believe he was there. I believe he knows what happened and i believe it’s possible he pulled the trigger on one of the guns.

Don't know how pings work but it's not uncommon for them to ping but once every 30 minutes or so, from my minimal research.

 

[poates6]

Potatoe head and Boom Boom aren’t interested in intelligent conversation. They are so zeroed in on the tree that has a few leaves missing they have no clue there is a forrest full of foliage.

Yessir! The name calling always begins when the merits of your argument are defeated!!!

Thank you for the surrender!

 

[poates6]

Don't know how pings work but it's not uncommon for them to ping but once every 30 minutes or so, from my minimal research.

I don’t know either, but there were phone experts called to testify and they point wasn’t made clear. I wish the prosecution were even decent. I believe they could have presented what they needed to and really removed a lot of the doubt I have.