⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

[jeffcoat]

Google "Was Maggie Murdaugh seeking a divorce?" Follow the links. Do your own research. How is it stupid to state the obvious?

Maggie Murdaugh Saw a Divorce Lawyer 6 Weeks Before She and Her Son Were Murdered: Source

Authorities continue to investigate the mysterious June 7 shooting deaths of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh

people.com

Is People an unimpeachable source? Is there such a thing as unimpeachable source? Of course not.

Has it been reported that Maggie, the wife living apart from her drug addicted, lying, stealing husband was talking about a divorce? YES. Recall she was living apart from her husband who would not quit his drug abuse and she was separated from her wedding ring at the time of her death.

Now, as entirely predictable, you can decide to disregard the report. And others of us, relying on opinions that Maggie Murdaugh was the better half of that marriage, can use our judgement and cheer the now dead woman for investigating getting away from AM. And we can bemoan the fact he killed her.

Why does AM seem to command support from people who do not know anything about him they have not heard of second or third or fourth hand? Beats me. On the basis of 2nd or 3rd or 4th hand info, the same info you have, I think the POS killed his wife. In my view my assessment fits the knowable facts better than other assessments.

I hope the jury does its job well.

I think Alex did it and in no way support him. I just find it petty when someone says "go Google it" when they could have easily provided a link. Nothing more.

I am curious why the prosecution didn't use it to support their theory of motive. Did they investigate it and not find it credible? Surely they had her bank & credit card statements and could have found who she supposedly went to see. I don't know. Just curious. I don't think it's important. Alex did it.

 

[castlesl]

Yessir! The name calling always begins when the merits of your argument are defeated!!!

Thank you for the surrender!

LOL, wait, you call me a murder and I call you a potatoe head. I still fill like I owe you more.

My merits are alive and well and shared by the majority of the people on this board, and I will tell you that if the trial were over today, Alex would be convicted.

Maybe the defense will pull a rabbit out of the hat and produce enough reasonable doubt to question the case that has been made against AM. I am not holding my breath, but who knows.

 

[gooddogjudge]

I don’t know either, but there were phone experts called to testify and they point wasn’t made clear. I wish the prosecution were even decent. I believe they could have presented what they needed to and really removed a lot of the doubt I have.

What could they have presented that they chose not to present?

 

[jeffcoat]

My excuse for what?

He was asking @PawsFan_ who (I think jokingly) was mad because every time he turns around this thread is 4 pages longer

 

[ClemsonGentleman]

I don’t find the 15 minute timeline that big of a deal. I am not sure the golf cart was involved at all, no proof that it was. I believe he used it to get back and forth.

I am not sure what organization skills you need to throw all your crap in the back of your suburban wrapped in a plastic tarp or rain coat and take a 5 min. Shower. There was gun solvent in the house he could have taken 60 seconds to thoroughly wipe his hands down before he got in the shower. Or he could have done that at his mothers house before he went in or left there.

Alex was on the property and by his own admission would have left them a few minutes before they were murdered but didn’t hear the 6 or 7 gun shots 300 yards away. Let me tell you that is almost impossible. He would have had to had music blaring all over the house not to have heard it. You can hear gun shots travel for miles. Particularly heavy loads like a 300 black count or 12 gauge. They are very loud.

I will grant you if the details in your post existed with out all his lies it would be a tough case to obtain a guilty verdict. When you add the incessant lying with all of his other actions, it simply isn’t too difficult to believe he did this by himself.

Rifle may have had noise suppressors. 2 shotgun blasts - yes, but common in the area.

 

[Lot4tailgater]

Shot guns aren’t very loud. I don’t always wear ear pro when I shoot any gauge of shotgun.

It’s been testified the 300 blackout had a suppressor. So probably even quieter than that shotgun was.

Yes he was a liar. No doubt about it.

I still have a hard time believing he, by himself, pulled that timeline off.

Also Maggie’s phone is a problem for me. It didn’t ping by the house after Alex would have had to bring it back near the house. Alex, Paul, maggie (earlier in the day) all had their phones pinging in and around the house. For some reason this time though, Maggie’s phone doesn’t ping.

Have any of you looked at google maps of the property? It looks like the kennels are now gone. The large shed and the kennels are/were up close to Moselle Rd. The house sits further back. There are no woods between the two that would help dissipate the sound of the guns firing...just open fields. The hunters in here know this, but usually when you hear an unexpected shot at a distance, you get a sense of which direction it came from, but any subsequent shots (especially 7) pretty much nail it down since you are more tuned in. It also appears that the main way to enter and get to the house require you to drive in close proximity to the kennel (or at least where it was). In June, 9pm or so is not daylight, but more like twilight. You can still see things.

One thing I missed in the testimony. When AM returned from his mom's, did he go straight to the kennel or did he go to the house and realize they weren't there and then go back to the kennels to see what was going on? If he just stumbled on their bodies when he returned, how did he not when he left? If he went straight to the kennel, why?

Also, which side of the road was Maggie's phone found on? Not that I've ever thrown anything out of a window, but if I did and I was concerned about where it landed, I'd definitely slow down if throwing it out the passenger window. If throwing out the driver's window, I'd still slow down and pull into the left lane to get closer to the shoulder. I realize the phone GPS is not all that great to distinguish which lane on a two lane road you are on.

 

[Lot4tailgater]

Rifle may have had noise suppressors. 2 shotgun blasts - yes, but common in the area.

While maybe somewhat common, nothing is in season for hunting in June in SC. Maybe hogs or coyotes, but as a large property owner, I'm usually curious enough to check out what's going on if I hear shots at or near my property in the spring/summer. Heck, I've been known to investigate even during hunting season to make sure there are no trespassers.

 

[poates6]

LOL, wait, you call me a murder and I call you a potatoe head. I still fill like I owe you more.

My merits are alive and well and shared by the majority of the people on this board, and I will tell you that if the trial were over today, Alex would be convicted.

Maybe the defense will pull a rabbit out of the hat and produce enough reasonable doubt to question the case that has been made against AM. I am not holding my breath, but who knows.

once again, never called you a murderer. You are not objective at all my friend.

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

While maybe somewhat common, nothing is in season for hunting in June in SC. Maybe hogs or coyotes, but as a large property owner, I'm usually curious enough to check out what's going on if I hear shots at or near my property in the spring/summer. Heck, I've been known to investigate even during hunting season to make sure there are no trespassers.

True. But Alec was asleep during the time of the shots so he didn’t hear him. I have no reason to doubt the man.

 

[castlesl]

Rifle may have had noise suppressors. 2 shotgun blasts - yes, but common in the area.

It isn’t a question of common, so much as does it draw your attention. Should Alex have heard it and wondered what the heck is going on. There were two shot gun blasts one round was buck shot. There were 4 or 5 BO 300 rounds with out a suppressor. So a total of 7 shots in close proximity and he was in the house and didn’t hear them.

Is it reasonable to assume he should have heard that 300 yds away in the house, I say it is. So I count that as one more lie.

 

[Clemblack]

If Alex took her phone with him. Brought back by the house to put it into his vehicle, why didn’t it register or ping near the house or the vehicle?

It’s another data point to me. If we are using phones and where they were and what they were doing, the absence of it is a data point much like the presence of it would be.

That’s what it leads me to question. For me I want to know who was there with Alex. I don’t believe that type of an individual could have done this all by himself. I believe he was there. I believe he knows what happened and i believe it’s possible he pulled the trigger on one of the guns.

Maggie's phone is at the same location Alex's suburban is when he tosses it. We don't need to see Maggie's phone ping at the house. He could have taken it to the house, or put it in suburban when he gets to house, or set it beside driveway on his way back to house, or set it near the end of driveway by the road before he went back to house. Alex's phone wasn't on him during the murders (convenient, right?) so we don't know his exact path between kennel and house.

There is no evidence a fourth person was anywhere on the property. There is a lot of evidence that this was not the case, yet you ignore it.

 

[castlesl]

once again, never called you a murderer. You are not objective at all my friend.

I took license, you alluded that i spent too much time dwelling on the timing in murdering people.

The point you were trying to make was that you intended to do allude to that and by association I might be someone who does such an thing and it was an example of twisting words to misrepresent a thought.

 

[Clemblack]

It isn’t a question of common, so much as does it draw your attention. Should Alex have heard it and wondered what the heck is going on. There were two shot gun blasts one round was buck shot. There were 4 or 5 BO 300 rounds with out a suppressor. So a total of 7 shots in close proximity and he was in the house and didn’t hear them.

Is it reasonable to assume he should have heard that 300 yds away in the house, I say it is. So I count that as one more lie.

I agree that he likely would've heard the shots from inside the house. I know you didn't suggest this, but I would strongly disagree with prosecution taking jury to Moselle to test this. If one juror with poor hearing can't hear shots, that is bad. Prosecution will not risk this. They may well have an expert testify.

But, look at the timeline. Alex admitted on the stand he's at kennels at 8:47. He admits golf cart drive takes approx 2 minutes from kennel to house. If you think Alex is innocent, you must believe that he was just barely able to drive cart back to house, get inside and close the door, and lay on couch to "doze" before shots rang out. I mean it's really really tight. All of this stuff is so far beyond reasonable doubt it's just silly.

 

[gooddogjudge]

He was asking @PawsFan_ who (I think jokingly) was mad because every time he turns around this thread is 4 pages longer

He quoted me, too

 

[poates6]

I took license, you alluded that i spent too much time dwelling on the timing in murdering people.

The point you were trying to make was that you intended to do allude to that and by association I might be someone who does such an thing and it was an example of twisting words to misrepresent a thought.

Thank you for confirming I’m correct on this one. Appreciate it.

 

[castlesl]

Have any of you looked at google maps of the property? It looks like the kennels are now gone. The large shed and the kennels are/were up close to Moselle Rd. The house sits further back. There are no woods between the two that would help dissipate the sound of the guns firing...just open fields. The hunters in here know this, but usually when you hear an unexpected shot at a distance, you get a sense of which direction it came from, but any subsequent shots (especially 7) pretty much nail it down since you are more tuned in. It also appears that the main way to enter and get to the house require you to drive in close proximity to the kennel (or at least where it was). In June, 9pm or so is not daylight, but more like twilight. You can still see things.

One thing I missed in the testimony. When AM returned from his mom's, did he go straight to the kennel or did he go to the house and realize they weren't there and then go back to the kennels to see what was going on? If he just stumbled on their bodies when he returned, how did he not when he left? If he went straight to the kennel, why?

Also, which side of the road was Maggie's phone found on? Not that I've ever thrown anything out of a window, but if I did and I was concerned about where it landed, I'd definitely slow down if throwing it out the passenger window. If throwing out the driver's window, I'd still slow down and pull into the left lane to get closer to the shoulder. I realize the phone GPS is not all that great to distinguish which lane on a two lane road you are on.

AM went directly to the house first after he returned and according to him stumbled on to the scene when he went to check on where they were.

Phone was on the house side of the road. So he would have tossed it through the passenger window or hook shot over the top of the car.

 

[Clemblack]

If this were true why didn’t the prosecution prove it? Wouldn’t be hard. I’m a professional in the audio world and we test things and prove them all the time concerning db levels at different points in different spaces.

Now in this thread we have an audio professional claiming 00 12 gauge buckshot is not loud, and we have a guy who claims he gets paid to "read people" and was swayed by Alex's acting job on the stand.


If nothing else, I am entertained.

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

Now in this thread we have an audio professional claiming 00 12 gauge buckshot is not loud, and we have a guy who claims he gets paid to "read people" and was swayed by Alex's acting job on the stand.


If nothing else, I am entertained.

Buckshot and magnum turkey loads not being loud is spoken by someone that has never fired either.

 

[Clemblack]

I don’t know either, but there were phone experts called to testify and they point wasn’t made clear. I wish the prosecution were even decent. I believe they could have presented what they needed to and really removed a lot of the doubt I have.

The prosecution can explain things to you.

But they cannot understand them for you.

 

[castlesl]

I agree that he likely would've heard the shots from inside the house. I know you didn't suggest this, but I would strongly disagree with prosecution taking jury to Moselle to test this. If one juror with poor hearing can't hear shots, that is bad. Prosecution will not risk this. They may well have an expert testify.

But, look at the timeline. Alex admitted on the stand he's at kennels at 8:47. He admits golf cart drive takes approx 2 minutes from kennel to house. If you think Alex is innocent, you must believe that he was just barely able to drive cart back to house, get inside and close the door, and lay on couch to "doze" before shots rang out. I mean it's really really tight. All of this stuff is so far beyond reasonable doubt it's just silly.

Impossibly tight. Had this been his story from day one, then maybe, but day 1 - 500 ish the story was he was never down at the kennels and he was asleep on the couch for some extended period of time. In that context, maybe he doesn’t hear 7 shots.

Now Alex has confirmed he never was asleep, he may have dozed he may not have. We know he was in the car 15 minutes later headed to Alameda. Who sits on the couch to doze knowing they are headed out the door 15 minutes later, particularly knowing he has lied about numerous aspects of the case.

 

[castlesl]

Thank you for confirming I’m correct on this one. Appreciate it.

At least you acknowledging you’re likely incorrect on the others. Or am I twisting your words?

 

[Lot4tailgater]

I agree that he likely would've heard the shots from inside the house. I know you didn't suggest this, but I would strongly disagree with prosecution taking jury to Moselle to test this. If one juror with poor hearing can't hear shots, that is bad. Prosecution will not risk this. They may well have an expert testify.

But, look at the timeline. Alex admitted on the stand he's at kennels at 8:47. He admits golf cart drive takes approx 2 minutes from kennel to house. If you think Alex is innocent, you must believe that he was just barely able to drive cart back to house, get inside and close the door, and lay on couch to "doze" before shots rang out. I mean it's really really tight. All of this stuff is so far beyond reasonable doubt it's just silly.

Yep. I don't take the drugs he was taking, but I enjoy a good nap. But I think its pretty impossible to go to the kennels, deal with a dog killing a chicken, "get out of there", drive a golf cart back home, and settle down enough to get into a sleep deep enough not to hear all those shots.

I hunt deer hunt on the same property that I live on. My stand is roughly 700 yards, as the crow flies, from my house. When my family is home and I shoot, they know it. The area between the two is heavy woods. I usually get a text from the wife within seconds wanting to know what I got. Every direction that I can shoot has the muzzle pointing away from the house and there is always noise, TV, kids, etc in my house.

 

[castlesl]

While maybe somewhat common, nothing is in season for hunting in June in SC. Maybe hogs or coyotes, but as a large property owner, I'm usually curious enough to check out what's going on if I hear shots at or near my property in the spring/summer. Heck, I've been known to investigate even during hunting season to make sure there are no trespassers.

No question it would have seemed odd to the normal person at that close of a distance and time of night. Particularly knowing that Paul and Maggie were playing with the dogs. Had Paul been working with his gun or doing something of that nature, then it wouldn’t have been as odd.

But Alex was a few minutes removed from the kennel area and in the house and didn’t hear any of it.

 

[Clemblack]

Another thing you Murdaughs are failing to understand...


Alex now testifies that he called 911 BEFORE checking pulse on Paul and Maggie. This is a lie, and is an attempt to wiggle out of the obvious impossibility of parking at kennel, checking Paul's pulse, attempting to roll Paul over, picking up Pauls phone and looking at it then setting it down, walking to Maggie and checking her pulse, then calling 911 20 seconds later.

Alex's OWN DEFENSE IN THIS TRIAL has already attempted to show the jury that Alex could in fact have done all those things in 20 seconds. The lawyer who was abused by Tinsley literally placed a timer on the witness stand and timed 20 seconds of silence for the jury to listen to.

This is embarrassing for defense, and I have no doubt has infuriated Dick and Jim.

 

[castlesl]

Another thing you Murdaughs are failing to understand...


Alex now testifies that he called 911 BEFORE checking pulse on Paul and Maggie. This is a lie, and is an attempt to wiggle out of the obvious impossibility of parking at kennel, checking Paul's pulse, attempting to roll Paul over, picking up Pauls phone and looking at it then setting it down, walking to Maggie and checking her pulse, then calling 911 20 seconds later.

Alex's OWN DEFENSE IN THIS TRIAL has already attempted to show the jury that Alex could in fact have done all those things in 20 seconds. The lawyer who was abused by Tinsley literally placed a timer on the witness stand and timed 20 seconds of silence for the jury to listen to.

I missed that part, when was that in the trial?

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

Is @murdaugh still around? Can’t imagine what everyone touched by this are going through.

 

[poates6]

At least you acknowledging you’re likely incorrect on the others. Or am I twisting your words?

Nope, just waiting on you to confirm those too. Solid effort though. At least you’re beginning to catch on.

 

[Okalaky]

My conclusion from the 142 pages in this thread?
Two people can hear/witness the exact same statement and walk away believing two completely different “truths”.

Our personal perspective can create bias.

I believe that Alex’s identity was based in how everyone else saw him, which matched the story he told himself. Reputation and the power of his family name was vital to who he was, and he’d do anything to keep it intact.

Addicts do things they never thought they would do when they are cornered.

 

[Cris_Ard]

For those who have closely followed this trial, those who are certain that AM killed his wife and son, how much does motive play into your conviction that he did it? The primary drivers/motives behind why you believe he felt he reached a point where he was so compelled to kill his wife & son? Are you as certain about these motives (as you see them) as you are about the logistics of the case (murder scene in particular, given his whereabouts)?

Thanks!

 

[Clemblack]

Yep. I don't take the drugs he was taking, but I enjoy a good nap. But I think its pretty impossible to go to the kennels, deal with a dog killing a chicken, "get out of there", drive a golf cart back home, and settle down enough to get into a sleep deep enough not to hear all those shots.

I hunt deer hunt on the same property that I live on. My stand is roughly 700 yards, as the crow flies, from my house. When my family is home and I shoot, they know it. The area between the two is heavy woods. I usually get a text from the wife within seconds wanting to know what I got. Every direction that I can shoot has the muzzle pointing away from the house and there is always noise, TV, kids, etc in my house.

And the distance you describe is roughly twice the distance of kennel to house at Moselle.

 

[OrangeTigerTower]

just a couple random thoughts from my chair

- the expression is ‘all of a sudden’ not ‘all of the sudden’ nor ‘all the sudden’….second only to irregardless this is my pet peeve.

- No way I think AM is not guilty

- I have wondered if another person pulled the trigger and AM picked them up on the road. If they were supposed to grab both phones but dropped Paul’s and then dropped Maggie’s at the road getting in the car. Just random weird speculation.

- all the talk about the suppressors and tax stamps. Suppressors are very, very easy to get illegally. In fact I personally know more folks that have them illegally than I do legally. Just because he didn’t get the tax stamp doesn’t mean he didn’t own suppressors.

- 300bo suppressed rounds can be subsonic. Quieter than a .22lr. About equal to a high end air rifle.

- I think a lot of the “evidence” is bunk or logical fallacies - yet I still think hes guilty.

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

For those who have closely followed this trial, those who are certain that AM killed his wife and son, how much does motive play into your conviction that he did it? The primary drivers/motives behind why you believe he felt he reached a point where he was so compelled to kill his wife & son? Are you as certain about these motives (as you see them) as you are about the logistics of the case (murder scene in particular, given his whereabouts)?

Thanks!

Followed from day 1 and still can't wrap my mind around it. The logistics and data point to guilty IMO. I still can't for the life of me determine motive or what killing his wife and son in such a personal matter accomplished.

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

For those who have closely followed this trial, those who are certain that AM killed his wife and son, how much does motive play into your conviction that he did it? The primary drivers/motives behind why you believe he felt he reached a point where he was so compelled to kill his wife & son? Are you as certain about these motives (as you see them) as you are about the logistics of the case (murder scene in particular, given his whereabouts)?

Thanks!

The motive was he was doing what he thought would save him. Im sure his addiction didn’t help his mindset, but there was enough going on in his personal and professional life for 3-4 separate motives to be true.

 

[Clemblack]

just a couple random thoughts from my chair

- the expression is ‘all of a sudden’ not ‘all of the sudden’ nor ‘all the sudden’….second only to irregardless this is my pet peeve.

- No way I think AM is not guilty

- I have wondered if another person pulled the trigger and AM picked them up on the road. If they were supposed to grab both phones but dropped Paul’s and then dropped Maggie’s at the road getting in the car. Just random weird speculation.

- all the talk about the suppressors and tax stamps. Suppressors are very, very easy to get illegally. In fact I personally know more folks that have them illegally than I do legally. Just because he didn’t get the tax stamp doesn’t mean he didn’t own suppressors.

- 300bo suppressed rounds can be subsonic. Quieter than a .22lr. About equal to a high end air rifle.

- I think a lot of the “evidence” is bunk or logical fallacies - yet I still think hes guilty.

- The suburban never stops on the road.
- Paul's phone was discovered by LE on Paul's buttocks facing up. It was obviously placed there, and Alex admits he did this.
- If Alex owned a suppressor, do you believe defense would have showed that? I do. Easy to prove w/ receipt, photo, or witness testimony. We've seen none of this.

 

[TigerDutch]

This is what I don’t get with those who say there is reasonable doubt - everything this guy has said and/or done in the last 10 years or so has been lies, greed, stealing from the helpless, ruining lives and a bunch of dead people. This dude has laid waste and there are people who still believe him.

This seems like a trial not in the present but something from the 1940s - prominent white guy from powerful family kills someone - and the sense is, “try to find a jury of white men who will find me guilty.”

Sadly, there are still dolts who will believe that pathological liar and people in that community too scared to vote guilty.

Hope I’m wrong or hope that area of the state can move forward into the 21st century and tell these parasites to F off.

 

[Clemblack]

For those who have closely followed this trial, those who are certain that AM killed his wife and son, how much does motive play into your conviction that he did it? The primary drivers/motives behind why you believe he felt he reached a point where he was so compelled to kill his wife & son? Are you as certain about these motives (as you see them) as you are about the logistics of the case (murder scene in particular, given his whereabouts)?

Thanks!

I don't need his motive to reach a guilty verdict, but yes I agree with prosecution's case so far.

People view evidence through their own lens, as they should of course. This is what makes it difficul for some to understand motive here. But we should try to understand (and Waters has attempted to show) that Alex exhibits sociopathic behavior and an extreme dedication to the preservation of his status. That cannot be overstated.

Alex is confronted by CFO on June 7 (murder date). Boat civil case hearing scheduled for June 10, and the relentless Mark Tinsley is not going to back down from pursuing Alex's personal assets. It had become personal for Mark Tinsley. Alex was in big, big trouble on June 7 and the walls were closing in. He was teetering on the edge of having financial misdeeds COMPLETELY exposed, which would cause him to lose his job, lose his freedom (prison time likely), and most of all ... lose the status he has immensely enjoyed his entire life.

Alex spontaneously premeditated the murders, I believe, on June 7. I believe he'd had thoughts about it perhaps weeks before, but on June 7 he suddenly decided it was go time. He murdered his wife and son to primarily garner sympathy which BUYS HIM TIME to try to cover his tracks, and secondarily to save himself millions of dollars because he knows public sympathy is very likely to cause Tinsley to call off the dogs.

 

[castlesl]

just a couple random thoughts from my chair

- the expression is ‘all of a sudden’ not ‘all of the sudden’ nor ‘all the sudden’….second only to irregardless this is my pet peeve.

- No way I think AM is not guilty

- I have wondered if another person pulled the trigger and AM picked them up on the road. If they were supposed to grab both phones but dropped Paul’s and then dropped Maggie’s at the road getting in the car. Just random weird speculation.

- all the talk about the suppressors and tax stamps. Suppressors are very, very easy to get illegally. In fact I personally know more folks that have them illegally than I do legally. Just because he didn’t get the tax stamp doesn’t mean he didn’t own suppressors.

- 300bo suppressed rounds can be subsonic. Quieter than a .22lr. About equal to a high end air rifle.

- I think a lot of the “evidence” is bunk or logical fallacies - yet I still think hes guilty.

suppressed guns are still noisy. A suppressed AR clocks in at 130 dbs. Obviously the type of bullet will impact the overall sound. A 22LR is around 140 DB. There were 2 shot gun blasts which are 160 DB.

LE has one of the blackout 300’s because it was show in court. I don’t recall if it had the suppressor but I don’t think it did.

Curious what “a lot of the evidence is bunk or logical fallacies” means. Which evidence? What are the logical fallacies? If you believe that, why do you think he is guilty?

 

[GrayCourtStomp]

The motive was he was doing what he thought would save him. Im sure his addiction didn’t help his mindset, but there was enough going on in his personal and professional life for 3-4 separate motives to be true.

What does killing his son and wife do? I can line you up 100 ex opioid addicts that are very successful in the game of life. There's no way his mind was clouded by drugs and caused this. He's fully admitted to all his financial bs. I'm not saying he's not guilty by any means, but it's a wild twist imo.

 

[Cavitybacks]

The evidence has to remove doubt to that fact not show that it is true. I don’t know that the evidence has done that’s I think there is still reasonable doubt there.

I’m just curious - you’ve prob already answered this - but why would anyone lie about the last time seeing their wife and kids? Why would he not be freaking out saying omg we were all down at the kennels together and then I left to go to Almeda.

And then later when they got the cell phone data, why was he not like holy shit I was literally with them minutes before someone killed them. They must have noticed I left.

Why did he continue to lie about all of those events? And then, instead of sticking to his story, he changed it?!! If I was him, I would have stuck to my original lie instead of changing it and just double down on the cell records being screwed up. I’d just be dead set on I have a vivid memory of exactly what I was doing.

Think about a significant event - 9/11 - for example. You can remember crazy details about that day because you relive it in your head. There’s just no reason for him to not detail exactly what occurred prior to the murder. It’s the most damning piece of evidence you could ask for.

 

[castlesl]

Is @murdaugh still around? Can’t imagine what everyone touched by this are going through.

He commented a number of weeks ago and basically said he was wrong about a lot of things and he really couldn’t say more.