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⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️

I agree that he likely would've heard the shots from inside the house. I know you didn't suggest this, but I would strongly disagree with prosecution taking jury to Moselle to test this. If one juror with poor hearing can't hear shots, that is bad. Prosecution will not risk this. They may well have an expert testify.

But, look at the timeline. Alex admitted on the stand he's at kennels at 8:47. He admits golf cart drive takes approx 2 minutes from kennel to house. If you think Alex is innocent, you must believe that he was just barely able to drive cart back to house, get inside and close the door, and lay on couch to "doze" before shots rang out. I mean it's really really tight. All of this stuff is so far beyond reasonable doubt it's just silly.
Him leaving after killing them to go see his mom is just as tight, especially if he did what the state said he did in that time.
 
Alex lies about being at kennels because he knows TOD. I don't understand how people don't understand this. If Alex believes they could have possibly died at 10:05 (a minute before he finds them), then he has no motive to lie about being there. TOD in this case is clear.

Where did state autopsy say TOD is an hour after phone goes dark? Are you saying after 11:30? His phone dies around 10:30.
They can’t determine time of death to the minute. They can give you a range. Pushing TOD just a little each way would make it even that much more unreasonable he did it. They are trying to do that with the phones and I’m not 100% sold in that. Change that time 10 min and it changes everything.
 
Now in this thread we have an audio professional claiming 00 12 gauge buckshot is not loud, and we have a guy who claims he gets paid to "read people" and was swayed by Alex's acting job on the stand.


If nothing else, I am entertained.
Clemblack can spot good entertainment. I vote this as POTD.
 
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They can’t determine time of death to the minute. They can give you a range. Pushing TOD just a little each way would make it even that much more unreasonable he did it. They are trying to do that with the phones and I’m not 100% sold in that. Change that time 10 min and it changes everything.

I’ve been reading your post and I believe you’ve swung my thoughts. I’m starting to doubt the earth is round now too. Is this what woke is?
 
For those who have closely followed this trial, those who are certain that AM killed his wife and son, how much does motive play into your conviction that he did it? The primary drivers/motives behind why you believe he felt he reached a point where he was so compelled to kill his wife & son? Are you as certain about these motives (as you see them) as you are about the logistics of the case (murder scene in particular, given his whereabouts)?

Thanks!
I sort of think motives are irrelevant. For me it's all the lies and the manipulation of people to fabricate an alibi to suit his needs. If you have nothing to hide then why all the lies??
 
Typically juries will start the deliberation process with figuring out who sits where. The expectation is that you will work to come to a unanimous decision whatever that is. The judge is likely to ask you multiple times to continue to work towards a unanimous decision even if the foreperson tells them they are stuck.

Deliberation will absolutely cross over to some level of arguing back and forth if there are folks dug in on either side and they will have a healthy discussion about the facts of the case and the merits of the arguments.

I think the biggest thing Alex is going to struggle with is that he seems less than genuine. The whole Paw Paw and Mags thing was over the top and screams I am not sincere. He was caught in multiple lies, admitted he lied and that is going to be thrown in the face of anyone who says they don’t think he did it.

Some are going to say I think he did it but I am not sure it is beyond a reasonable doubt and you will likely see a lot of discussion around the very topics and things said in this thread over the last few weeks. What is reasonable and what isn’t.
You are being kind here........it is as far from genuine as you can get
 
They can’t determine time of death to the minute. They can give you a range. Pushing TOD just a little each way would make it even that much more unreasonable he did it. They are trying to do that with the phones and I’m not 100% sold in that. Change that time 10 min and it changes everything.
Would you at least agree that it’s pretty obvious Alex knew their time of death?

Otherwise he had no motive to lie, and repeatedly lie, about not being with them at the kennels.
 
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Both phones lock forever w/ no further activity at 8:49. TOD either 8:49 or 8:50 most likely.
Might just be oversimplification of the evidence, but:

Both phones lock at 8:49 with no further activity? Including Paul's? Didn't AM state that he replaced Paul's phone back in his pocket? Did that not register? or did it AM place it back in pocket at 8:49 at the time of death?
 
Him leaving after killing them to go see his mom is just as tight, especially if he did what the state said he did in that time.


You haven't responded to my other posts.

but no it's not nearly as tight. Alex's own admission of being at kennels at 8:47 makes is highly questionable that he could have made it inside the house before gunshots.

He kills them at 8:49, strips, hose off near kennel and change. He had done all that before 8:53 when he picks up Maggie's phone. Wrap guns, get on golf cart and back to house. His phone moves at 9:02 and takes a shitload of steps, then he leaves at 9:06. Tight? Yes. But not tight to the point of being unreasonable or hard to fathom. It's the only plausible possibility.
 
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Might just be oversimplification of the evidence, but:

Both phones lock at 8:49 with no further activity? Including Paul's? Didn't AM state that he replaced Paul's phone back in his pocket? Did that not register? or did it AM place it back in pocket at 8:49 at the time of death?
Left it on top of him when he returned from parents house. 10 pm?
 
They can’t determine time of death to the minute. They can give you a range. Pushing TOD just a little each way would make it even that much more unreasonable he did it. They are trying to do that with the phones and I’m not 100% sold in that. Change that time 10 min and it changes everything.


You can only push it one way, and that's later. Both phones are doing stuff before 8:49. Paul's phone activity is wonderful evidence. It is damning for Alex. I know you don't like it.
 
Might just be oversimplification of the evidence, but:

Both phones lock at 8:49 with no further activity? Including Paul's? Didn't AM state that he replaced Paul's phone back in his pocket? Did that not register? or did it AM place it back in pocket at 8:49 at the time of death?


- No, I may have stated that wrong. And I don't know all the correct terminology. But both phones "lock" at 8:49 with no further texting or read texts. There is "activity" after 8:49 including orientation changes and incoming calls and texts.

- I'd have to go back and see. I don't know if that registered. I'm pretty sure Alex does tell LE that he "put it back" after it had "popped out of his pocket."

- He placed it back in pocket when he discovers them at 10:06. No evidence or testimony that he messed with Paul's phone at TOD as far as I can remember.
 
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Now in this thread we have an audio professional claiming 00 12 gauge buckshot is not loud, and we have a guy who claims he gets paid to "read people" and was swayed by Alex's acting job on the stand.


If nothing else, I am entertained.
the old saying is "experts miss the obvious"
 
This is an old picture. It doesn’t have the new entrance or the new silver roofed hanger, which is located parallel and just to the left of the red roof hanger. The dog kennels are just below the red roof hanger tucked Into the tree line.
Thanks. I was wondering about the exit. That photo shows the most likely entrance going right by the kennels, but it was possible to go to the house through another cut-in
 
did the GM records say that he drove back up to the house to allegedly get the shot gun after he called 911?

I honestly can’t remember

I assume they did
 
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If you start with the premise that desperate people do desperate things, I think you can conjure a motive that fits the narrative of what we know now as it relates to what Alex was thinking on Monday morning June 7th of 2021. You have to make the allowance that it won’t necessarily make total sense to someone not in Alex’s shoes, but it was the best he could do given his situation. I doubt he was eager to do it, more resigned that it had to be done than anything.

Alex was/is a narcissist and he just can’t allow for others actions to ruin him, at least not while he can still prevent it.

He had a raging drug addiction and from the sound of it, Paul and Maggie were the only two that held his feet to the fire. They were bird dogging him in the prior weeks leading up to this point and taking his pills.

I would assume he was angry at them for this. The guy has money troubles and he is having to spend thousands of dollars extra to feed a habit that has totally taken control of his life. They are making it hard for him to survive. I can only assume Alex knew he couldn’t beat the habit, based off of the testimony I saw, so he had to find a way to live with taking drugs and not have his wife and son in his grill every step of the way.

He has a hearing in 3 days that will cover, amongst other things, a motion to compel him to disclose financial information because of the boat case suit. The outcome was going to lead him to disclose some level of information to Mark Tinsley, how much at that time was up for debate, but ultimately Tinsley wasn’t the issue.

Danny Henderson (Alex’s attorney) was likely going to have access to all of Alex‘s financial documents in preparing a court ordered summary. That would likely lead to the discovery of millions of dollars of theft at some point in the not too distant future. Danny was a law partner and would have been compelled to report it. The discovery would end Alex’s career, tarnish his family name and land him in jail.

The CFO of his law firm is pestering him about fees to the tune of $750 thousand dollars that has not come to the firm and should have by now on the Farris case. She has information suggesting something is amiss and for the second or third time, brings it to Alex’s attention on the morning of the 7th.

She testified she told Alex she had reason to believe he had received those funds personally. Previous to this she simply was enquiring about when they would arrive and why they hadn’t received them. Alex said he was waiting, trying to see what his options were to get the funds In Maggie’s name due to the boat case. Clearly he was concerned that his finances were going to be under a microscope to some degree. The CFO had notified other partners Alex was wanting to hide money and they said no way. Alex was on the clock to get the Farris fee situation figured out. He was going to have to get the money back to Chris Wilson or risk being fired or having his finances more thoroughly looked into at the law firm.

There was speculation, although not presented at trial, that Alex and Maggie were having marital issues. Certainly not hard to imagine given what we now know. Regardless of the truth of Maggie visiting a divorce attorney or not, I do know most people threaten divorce long before they ever follow through, if they ever follow through. So let’s assume Maggie is or has been telling Alex to get off of the drugs or I am gone. Alex knows if that happens, Mags will take him to the cleaners and the theft will come to light.

I can only assume Alex thought that a tragic accident that killed Paul and Maggie would provide the opportunity to make most of these issues go away. There has been enough testimony to indicate that is likely true.

The boat case could be settled for far less money with out financial discovery. The law firm certainly wouldn’t press him on the Farris fees right away and he could figure out how to get the money back to Chris Wilson and put that fire out. I am not sure the drug thing really was a driving factor, but it was probably a silver lining that he could carry on with out the headache of accountability.

Ultimately most of the desired outcome either happened or was headed in the right direction the first few weeks after the murders.

The problem with the plan Alex crafted is it didn’t give LE any real viable suspects to focus on. There was nothing, no one other than the idea it was vigilante justice related to the boat case.

The boat accident had been two and half years prior and the timing just didn’t fit. Add in that he simply didn’t craft a very good plan that gave him an alibi or set it up in such a way that he could be ruled out rather quickly.

Alex is the only one who truly knows why he did what he did. Regardless of the motive, the facts of the case simply don’t allow for a reasonable alternative other than Alex killing them. Now that he has willingly admitted to lying numerous times about being at the crime scene minutes before Paul and Maggie were killed, I don’t see how a reasonable person can’t conclude he wasn’t the one.

There is plenty of evidence, electronic fingerprints, guns missing, clothes missing, witnesses feeling like Alex was coercing them, etc. that point the finger squarely at Alex. No other scenario outside of Alex planning this would have unfolded in this manner.

The motive isn’t necessary, but there clearly is one.
well said....mostly my thoughts exactly....
 
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They can’t determine time of death to the minute. They can give you a range. Pushing TOD just a little each way would make it even that much more unreasonable he did it. They are trying to do that with the phones and I’m not 100% sold in that. Change that time 10 min and it changes everything.
So you don't think the time stamps on the text & videos are accurate? It's not like a digital camera where after changing batteries you have to enter the date/time. A phone, like a laptop connected to the internet, are very accurate.
 
He believes Alex is protecting himself and Buster against a drug gang, and that's why Alex lied to LE. He does not care one iota about Alex's lie, as he's stated in this thread, and completely dismisses it. He is not credible. He ignores testimony that Alex and Buster took no security precautions following the murders.
Yeah, Alex is protecting Buster against a drug gang but he was way down the list of people he contacted when he found the bodies, including Rogan, who the snapchat video was intended for. Hmmmmmmm
 
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Why are defense attorneys generally so much better than prosecutors?

I’m catching up listening to Waters interview Alex and Waters comes across as such a little douche. Alex actually seems pretty likeable and charismatic.

Are prosecutors often aspiring to be defense attorneys one day or not necessarily? Just seems like generally defense attorneys are better at their jobs and more appealing to the jury.
 
Why are defense attorneys generally so much better than prosecutors?

I’m catching up listening to Waters interview Alex and Waters comes across as such a little douche. Alex actually seems pretty likeable and charismatic.

Are prosecutors often aspiring to be defense attorneys one day or not necessarily? Just seems like generally defense attorneys are better at their jobs and more appealing to the jury.


Alex is extremely likable and charismatic. Off the charts.
 
It fascinates me that people get hung up on motive, or the fact they can’t personally imagine someone killing family members. Is this the first time in recorded history that a man shot his wife and child?

Who knows what AM was thinking at the time, whether he planned it or something happened to set him off, but he’s boxed in on the timeline and his lies - he’s guilty.
 
It fascinates me that people get hung up on motive, or the fact they can’t personally imagine someone killing family members. Is this the first time in recorded history that a man shot his wife and child?

Who knows what AM was thinking at the time, whether he planned it or something happened to set him off, but he’s boxed in on the timeline and his lies - he’s guilty.


succinct perfection
 
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