"Mr. AM wishes to take the stand." Says a lot.
⚖️ MURDAUGH MURDERS & TRIAL THREAD ⚖️
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To be clear, what I’ve seen from you in this thread is a person that had his mind made up, possibly even befor the trial began, and has stuck to his guns the entire time. Anyone disagreeing with you has been called names and mocked.
Of course there will be deliberations. That’s why they send the jury off to deliberate. I’ve only been on a jury once and it wasn’t for murder but there were plenty of discussions and deliberations after the two sides had presented their closing arguments.
Whether or not anyone will change their mind who knows. It is an individual decision made though. You have to decide if you believe someone is innocent or guilty. That’s the way the system was setup.
I understand you don’t like that. You prefer being able to mock and bully someone into your line of thinking and voting. That’s not how it’s supposed to work though.
I don’t find the 15 minute timeline that big of a deal. I am not sure the golf cart was involved at all, no proof that it was. I believe he used it to get back and forth.
I am not sure what organization skills you need to throw all your crap in the back of your suburban wrapped in a plastic tarp or rain coat and take a 5 min. Shower. There was gun solvent in the house he could have taken 60 seconds to thoroughly wipe his hands down before he got in the shower. Or he could have done that at his mothers house before he went in or left there.
Alex was on the property and by his own admission would have left them a few minutes before they were murdered but didn’t hear the 6 or 7 gun shots 300 yards away. Let me tell you that is almost impossible. He would have had to had music blaring all over the house not to have heard it. You can hear gun shots travel for miles. Particularly heavy loads like a 300 black count or 12 gauge. They are very loud.
I will grant you if the details in your post existed with out all his lies it would be a tough case to obtain a guilty verdict. When you add the incessant lying with all of his other actions, it simply isn’t too difficult to believe he did this by himself.
I just don’t understand how if there is a hung jury, you can say that person was unreasonable. They are charged with the task of deciding, doesn’t their opinion hold more wait. I also guess 25% of the one participating in all these online polls are unreasonable? That’s a pretty large percentage for it to be as concrete as some of you make it out to be.
Maybe because all this arguing exists it’s not as concrete as you perceive it to be.
unfortunately this might prove to be the case. Not putting Maggie's phone in a Faraday bag was another major mistake by LE. GPS data from June 7 was overwritten.
Shot guns aren’t very loud. I don’t always wear ear pro when I shoot any gauge of shotgun.
It’s been testified the 300 blackout had a suppressor. So probably even quieter than that shotgun was.
Yes he was a liar. No doubt about it.
I still have a hard time believing he, by himself, pulled that timeline off.
Also Maggie’s phone is a problem for me. It didn’t ping by the house after Alex would have had to bring it back near the house. Alex, Paul, maggie (earlier in the day) all had their phones pinging in and around the house. For some reason this time though, Maggie’s phone doesn’t ping.
Typically juries will start the deliberation process with figuring out who sits where. The expectation is that you will work to come to a unanimous decision whatever that is. The judge is likely to ask you multiple times to continue to work towards a unanimous decision even if the foreperson tells them they are stuck.
Deliberation will absolutely cross over to some level of arguing back and forth if there are folks dug in on either side and they will have a healthy discussion about the facts of the case and the merits of the arguments.
I think the biggest thing Alex is going to struggle with is that he seems less than genuine. The whole Paw Paw and Mags thing was over the top and screams I am not sincere. He was caught in multiple lies, admitted he lied and that is going to be thrown in the face of anyone who says they don’t think he did it.
Some are going to say I think he did it but I am not sure it is beyond a reasonable doubt and you will likely see a lot of discussion around the very topics and things said in this thread over the last few weeks. What is reasonable and what isn’t.
No I think it is everything - Financial house of cards
BUT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DEFENSE ARGUMENT - that how could he kill his son like that
USE THEIR OWN WORDS AGAINST THEM
- makes just as much sense that his drug paranoia and anger kicked in to do an "unitentional" killing - HE WENT TO GET HIS PILLS (he admitted to having them in the pocket) AND was ANGRY and PARANOID but there was a gun so he lost it
I agree that is exactly what will happen. Lots of arguments will take place. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Either way Alex will be spending quite a bit of time in jail.
If Jim and Poot didn’t think he was guilty prior to the trial they sure knew when that snapchat of him at the kennels were revealed. No Attorney would want their client to get on the stand and try to explain all of the lies and the timeline that is so incriminating.
It’s clear the circumstances of the murders at minimum point to someone who knew Maggie and Paul committed them and wanted them dead. When you combine that with the fact AM was there minutes before they were killed, he lied at every corner until the snapchat video came out, the circumstances in his life at the time, murder weapons being those that were known to be on the property, there is no other conclusion that he was involved. To have doubt in that is mind blowing to me and lends me to think someone is either simpleton or tragically over thinking this.
Having a conclusion that he was involved is not the same as he pulled the triggers.
Law enforcement handcuffed the prosecutors in this case and the prosecution team has sucked beyond belief in this case. This has been OJ level of bad from both LE and prosecution.
I don’t know if you are calling me out specifically or not and I’m not really responding to being called out. I do want to clear up something. Last night when my words lead some to believe that it was an individual process that wasn’t my intent. The jury is charged with coming to a conclusion together. All the evidence is discussed and they have discussions much like we are having now. They try to convince each other to come to a unanimous verdict.
However, in some cases, jurors can not be swayed. At the end of the day it’s up to the individual juror to make the decision for himself. But it is a group ordeal. That’s when you arrive at hung juries.
I will also add I look at a couple different forums I freguant often that have threads such as this one. You see very few people who are on the fence it seems. There are some but most have decided and cannot be swayed. I feel that’s another inclination that a hung jury is the most likely verdict.
I feel there will be at least 1 hold out if not more. Some of that will depend on when the jury is handed the case. They do it on Friday and people are more likely just to say screw it and conform to the popular vote of the jury. I have seen that in the jury room myself.
Judge told us we had to stay late on a Friday night because we could not reach a verdict, told us he would order food. The 2 hold outs quickly flipped script with little talking when that message came from the judge. For the record I was not one of the 2. The only reason they had to suddenly change is they wanted to go home.
What does the lack of pinging suggest to you...did someone else have her phone for hours prior? Was she killed somewhere else and body dumped at Moselle? We know the phone was there. We know she used it throughout the day. What does the lack of pinging lead you to question? Genuinely curious.
I own multiple shotguns and they are very loud, particularly a 12 gauge with buckshot as they tend to be magnum loads. Putting a suppressor on a gun does quiet it some, but not enough to not hear it a few hundred yards away. It is still very loud. The level of noise you hear is greatly impacted by the direction of the muzzle and if there is something big and hard that may bounce the sound back the other direction. Also, heavier grain bullets require heavier loads. You can buy numerous grain bullets for about any size you want and all will have differing levels of powder, some more than others.
I can’t explain Maggie’s phone but it is unexplainable period, it doesn’t exonerate Alex in any way. It is a lack of data, not data pointing to his innocence.
If you gave me 15 minutes to kill two people and gather two guns and clean up myself, I feel confident I could do it. It is far more time than you really think it is.
They didn't have suppressors.
AM never did the paperwork... so he never got them. at the 5:14:50 mark
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And if I was in the jury room I would make a big deal about your last statement. It is irresponsible to let the likelihood of a conviction in another case impact your duty to decide in this one. Not saying people won’t think it, but they should probably not say it out loud.
Has it struck any of you as odd as to why he planned this using long guns? He had handguns, why not use a .40 cal S&W-M&P or something similar? Paul was shot within 3 feet, and then Maggie not much further... One could do a lot of damage with 15 hollow-points in the magazine... Much easier to conceal, shoot, and get rid of later...
Just a totally bizarre case for sure...
Just a totally bizarre case for sure...
Name a reason that he would impede the investigation into the murder of his (beloved) wife and son?
Curious - What did you think about the 2 that flipped? That they were not that dug in to their side, did not care that much one way or the other about the whole process, or just wasn’t worth sacrificing their Friday night?
The only options in this case are that he pulled the trigger or he orchestrated the killing. Considering no evidence points to another person being there at the time, he killed them.
It was the opioids, or his distrust of sled, or whatever lie he needs to tell next. The guy doesn’t even know what’s a lie and what’s the truth and he doesn’t care. He just says whatever benefits him and only him. Some of the people in here have fallen for it and, unfortunately, one of the jurors probably will, too.
I felt like they were not true to their duty. I honestly think it was Bs and bad for justice. Even though justice was served in that case. If you believe in, for reasons pertaining to the case, then stick with your verdict if you can’t be swayed by discussion of evidence. To flip just because you had to stay late was wrong in my opinion. I didn’t mind staying late to have more discussion. If they didn’t want to change, I was willing to sit it out, because that’s the right thing to do of your following the legal system.
If he uses his own hand gun, that is tougher to explain away later. How did someone else get “his” gun.
The long guns were used in hunting and left around and occasionally even misplaced. Probably can’t say the same for his hand gun.
Why he chose two different guns is weird but I think that is why he did it that way because it would be weird and could give the impression of two shooters. It‘s an easy way to add an extra layer.
Shot guns work well up close, the blackout gives you range. I think he had both and wanted to use them both but it also gave him a wider range of options not knowing exactly how it was going to unfold. If Maggie ran immediately (which she probably didn’t) the shotgun would not have done him any good. That is why I am almost certain Paul was killed first.
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AM admitted to Marian that the murders were planned over a long period of time.
The evidence has to remove doubt to that fact not show that it is true. I don’t know that the evidence has done that’s I think there is still reasonable doubt there.
Buster is still alive lol. But I know you most typed. I’m just picking with you.
I saw that testimony and I didn’t take it that way necessarily. It was a weird statement for sure and one he probably shouldn’t have made. It was offered to Marian as ”I think someone had planned it for a long time”. That could have just been trying to tie it back to the threats Paul had received which I don’t think were happening at that time, they happened the year before.
Some believe that AM didn’t plan it out and it is not too difficult to make that argument. Could it have been a culmination of stressors and then he just snapped in the moment? Maybe, I tend to think he decided that day but didn’t really plan out the exact details, just the broad strokes.
I do think the fact he was not concerned about finding justice for Paul and Maggie in the weeks after their killings is just totaly telling. He wasn’t really being pressed by LE in any significant way until the roadside fiasco, yet he talked about clearing the Murdaugh name and not finding the murderer(s).
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Alec said “whoever did this had been thinking about it for a long time”. You know, one of those incidental confessions.
There are cameras on the property, but there are none near the murder scene. Which of course is further evidence of Alex's guilt.
I don't think it slowed down at that spot. But it did speed up right after the spot.
I think Maggie ran right into the line of fire... Buster (I know you mean Paul)
