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First of all there’s no proud of any weapons in me. If you don’t have any given the current situation that’s the definition of stupidity.
I’m not gonna argue with you about what’s coming. It could be a number of things, but it will be worse than what’s happening now.
Loser? GFY keyboard warrior.
you know you’re arguing with someone on the spectrum when they attempt to refute your statistical facts with hypotheticals. If you think that white cops are out there hunting black people down, then you’re part of the problem that’s creating all this divisiveness. All this racial discord is built on lies and sheep like you just keep buying it.
I would think some people on the spectrum would use only statistical facts and not be able to think in hypotheticals, thus the nomer “the spectrum”.
You’d be wrong when having a fact based discussion where there is no room for misleading the public. You know, like the MSM has worked all these morons into a frenzy without telling anyone all the facts. When it comes to fomenting racial discord, hypotheticals should be left behind.
@catchandrelease linked this on page one of this thread. This story is the key to understanding what went down today. This clown of a DA put on this press conference as a publicity stunt. He is being investigated for embezzling $200k AND his re-election campaign is in a runoff. These warrants (the DA cannot charge a policeman without a grand jury) were merely a way of flexing muscle for Fulton County voters. He put on a big show for cable news in which he tried to prosecute this officer before the investigation had concluded. A good defense lawyer will be able to argue that he was unfairly demeaned by the DA’s office before they were even able to charge him.
This presser has very little to do with the law. You cannot commit felony murder (for which this officer is charged) unless you kill someone in the act of committing a felonious crime, and the killing of Brooks is itself the felony in question. I doubt the cop even gets arraigned on that charge.
This will ultimately lead to disappointment for the angry mobs and more riots (see Baltimore a few years back)... and it will be Paul Howard’s fault.
I was referring to your interpretation of the spectrum. I agree that you have to deal with facts as opposed to hypotheticals. Here’s where you wrong though: these kids aren’t watching the MSM. They are being radicalized on the internet.
Hey TI!
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If any of y'all are worried, come down to my families ranch in Tyler, TX. We've got 1100+ acres, and a bunker's worth of ammo, and some really cool toys to play with!
It's like a Snowflake safe haven, without the Snowflakes!
So what does it mean Mr "I quit my job because it was to hard and I can live in Daddy's basement for free".
Did you feel safe in rich white daddy's basement? How would you feel if you lived in atlanta?
could not happen to a better city.
kudos to the cops for standing up for their lives.
businesses that pay taxes, including individuals, should all stop paying taxing.
its time for another rebellion.
no taxation
without representation which includes security
its time for another rebellion.
no taxation
without representation which includes security
This is a great overview and summary of the reality. In retrospect, they should have just let him run off and tried to scoop him up later but once he took the stun gun it presents risk to the officers lives much like you annotated above. Imagine if they let him go, he drives head on into a family of 5 and kills everyone in the car. Would the same officers be indicted for felony murder in that scenario?
Probably putting myself in harms way here but racism wasn't the driver in this shooting, this Isn't the same scenario as the George Floyd incident and it shouldn't be compared in the same light. Not following police instruction, fighting two officers and taking a weapon from them seems like the motivating factor to me. Had he been white, I don't think anyone would be accusing the officers of felony murder and I don't think there would be outrage from the relative communities. That may not be popular opinion but it's my own personal read and I'm happy to debate it.
I live in Atlanta with my partner.
Why do you have to ask me what defund the police means? I’ve already explained it briefly in this thread, but there are a myriad of much better explanations all over the internet. Look there
They were the same ones snitching on each other for shelter-in-place a couple months ago.
those people don't own anything. of course they wanna get rid of the police so that they can steal from those that do.
step 1
convince as many taxpaying americans as we can that racism is still a major problem for black young men for some reason.
step 2
convince as many taxpaying americans that the police are bad.
step 3
convince as many taxpaying americans to defund the police
step 4
steal those American taxpayers property
If more money and unions screwed up police, how will more money and teacher unions fix education?
I thought the liberal model was more tax money = better government.
I thought the liberal model was more tax money = better government.
Do you get chronic ear infections from always having your head in the sand?
I know a lot of people tha are better off now than under Obama bush or Clinton.
I know many (who own and operated businesses) that say trumps been the best president for business since Reagan.
so there is that.
if you work for the taxpayers, or get a free money from the taxpayers, im sure trump hasn't done anything for you.
curious question-
when should a police officer be allowed to fire his revolver in a fight?
I apologize as I had you confused with another poster who said he is proud of all his weapons as he listed them all. But he also made the same type of reference as to what's coming so that is where I where I made my mistake.
back to police reform;
so we want
-end no knock warrants
-end chokeholds for sure when in custody, still up in air during a fight
-officers standing by must intercede if they see an officer doing something wrong
-more hand to hand combat training
-liability protection for any death during a resisting arrest situation.
-murder charges for any officer who kills another human in custody.
-elimination of 12 hour shifts.
-more funding for more officers and equipment to handle looters and rioters
what else?
so we want
-end no knock warrants
-end chokeholds for sure when in custody, still up in air during a fight
-officers standing by must intercede if they see an officer doing something wrong
-more hand to hand combat training
-liability protection for any death during a resisting arrest situation.
-murder charges for any officer who kills another human in custody.
-elimination of 12 hour shifts.
-more funding for more officers and equipment to handle looters and rioters
what else?
cmon what am I missing? any loopholes?
also
for black lives matter
we got to somehow add some kind of protection to inner city youths just trying to get back and forth to school.
getting to and from school seems to be where the biggest problem is for black kids in these inner cities.
more cops? maybe deputize the radical blm guys with weapons willing to walk the streets to protect these kids?
maybe that will be a better purpose than guarding chaz?
protecting our black kids trying to avoid gangs on the way to and from school
and
the little old black grandma wanting to sit on her front porch in peace.
those are the 2 i would start with.
Here are the problems:
No knock warrants - unless there is credible evidence that someone inside the dwelling is in immediate danger, I am absolutely okay with eliminating these. It should be noted that Waco started with essentially a no-knock warrant (by a no-brains agency).
Chokeholds - Completely good with that (eliminating them) if a suspect is in custody and secured (cuffed). Standard policy should be - and it usually is - to get them down, get them cuffed, and get them on their feet (as long as there isn't an injury preventing that). In a fight, not sure.
More hand-to-hand combat training - Good except police are already limited in what they can do in a fight. I don't know how these rules slide based on situation but I think there are already restrictions. It's based on not injuring the suspect. As long as the officers have the numerical advantage this is probably fine. That said, I don't like two average-sized officers' chances against someone the size of Dexter Lawrence. Point being this is probably complicated, but more training is always better. So okay.
Liability protection - I don't like the idea that a cop can be sued for doing his job. Probably do the protection in the form of insurance provided by the municipality that employs the cop.
Murder charges for any officer who kills another human in custody - will have to be based on preponderance of the evidence. Cannot make that carte blanche. What if the suspect has a gun they snuck in somehow? So this cannot be automatic.
Elimination of 12 hour shifts - Sounds good to me
More funding - actually I would do something like the Albaqueque (sp?) plan and look into a different department for calls that are not actual law breakers. Homeless, animal control, mental health, non-violent drug offenses, all the other weird shit that officers can get into - move that to another department. Give them badges and guns if needed (along with the requisite training) but make them a separate department all the way up to the Mayor or City Council. This adds accountability too, since one fear some cops have is that their life may depend on the actions of another cop. So if they 'rat out' another cop..........
The idea is to move the focus away from the stupid crap and back into protecting the people from, well, honest-to-god bad guys.
Add - resource officers are for threats to the safety of students. That's it. They are not to discipline students for stupid crap. That is on the administration.
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While I think dismantling the police is a really bad idea. The police COULD help themselves out a bit by not killing black people in questionable ways. For good or ill, given the tensions around the country and in Atlanta. I'd like to think that the cops have more sense that to shoot a black man in the back while he's running away. Granted, the man had been fighting with police and had grabbed the officer's taser. That's a whole different thing than choking a handcuffed man to death. No question about it. BUT that man was running away and was no danger to the policeman at that moment. Shooting him in the back was STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.
The fear I have is that we have now moved to the "all cops are evil sumbitches that need to be killed" in many eyes. Probably not many reasonable people but I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way.
The issue in Atlanta is that the GBI hasn't concluded their investigation yet, and the cops are already being charged. That SCREAMS "public relations stunt" to me. Maybe the guy shouldn't have been shot but if you fight an officer and steal his taser, you probably at least deserve to get your ass kicked. Law enforcement is about arresting criminals - not kicking their asses - but the deceased is hardly an innocent bystander.
What I find tragically hilarous is that the same people who now want to defund cops are the ones who tell us that we don't need to worry about protecting ourselves because we should just call the cops. After all, they are the ones trained in firearms.....
The issue in Atlanta is that the GBI hasn't concluded their investigation yet, and the cops are already being charged. That SCREAMS "public relations stunt" to me. Maybe the guy shouldn't have been shot but if you fight an officer and steal his taser, you probably at least deserve to get your ass kicked. Law enforcement is about arresting criminals - not kicking their asses - but the deceased is hardly an innocent bystander.
What I find tragically hilarous is that the same people who now want to defund cops are the ones who tell us that we don't need to worry about protecting ourselves because we should just call the cops. After all, they are the ones trained in firearms.....
I am not necessarily going to disagree with you but am going to add a caveat - cops are called upon to not only protect themselves but the public at large.
Here is a situation - a bad guy with a violent record is believed to have a gun (based on a 911 call) but runs away from the cop after being ordered to stop. He is running away and is not threatening the officer. But he then runs towards a school. There is no way to get ahead of him to secure the school but you have a shot. This is a situation where things could get really, really bad in a hurry. What does the cop do? Does he shoot the bad guy and protect the school, or risk a potential - but not guaranteed - really bad situation.
What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO???? (sorry, movie reference)
If you don't shoot - what do you tell the parents of the kids he kills if he is indeed armed and dangerous?
If you do shoot - what happens if you find he is unarmed?
Years ago something like this happened in Orangeburg County. Order came from the sherriff that if he went towards that school, "put him down." Whatever that meant, that meant.
BG in that case was arrested.
This is indeed a worst-case, one-in-a-million scenario. But it is plausible.
Ideally you set things up to prevent this scenario but it could still happen.
I do think CNN and MSNBC should be more responsible in their coverage.
They complain constantly about the "behavior of Trump", which we all don't like to various degrees,
but they behave in the same manners. why?
seems like the press would be independent or at least try to be.
They complain constantly about the "behavior of Trump", which we all don't like to various degrees,
but they behave in the same manners. why?
seems like the press would be independent or at least try to be.
I want to add something - can we somehow add some accountability for people who call 911 for a "man with a gun" when there is no gun present? Calling in an assault when all that happened was the guy was pissed you didn't have your damn dog leashed? It won't be perfect because these calls aren't the easiest to track but it might help.
Perhaps a great study would be how these questionable police actions are actually reported to 911?
Perhaps a great study would be how these questionable police actions are actually reported to 911?
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