As such, no, but I find the historical back and forth to be pointless. Arab and Muslim empires were in control of Jerusalem for longer than Israelites ever were. Doesn't mean Israelis don't have a right to live in peace. Same with the Palestinians. If they didn't have a national identity before, they've had one for at least several decades now.
They’re going to continue doing what they’re doing for now. They’ll make sure that preparedness is negated before going in.
I don't think Saudi will be interested in resuming talks anytime soon. But I could be wrong there. They just didn't think things would blow up. They thought they could get a freebie from the U.S./Israel with no consequences.
It seems like Israel is going full total war. Cutting off all water, electricity, etc. Nothing gets in. Just bombing whatever they want. Bad situation and will get worse if infantry moves in to urban settings. Gaza will be Bakhmut on steroids.
There really isn’t much of a national identity. They don’t have a nation. They have generations now being born into refugee camps. Arab states in the Middle East do not want them. Israel doesn’t want them. The vast majority of them are quite literally people without a nation.
Iran probably already has it honestly. You can just about download plans for one on the internet these days.
They don’t have a state, yes. They absolutely have a sense of collective identity, which is what I meant by nation. I don’t know how that can be disputed. Ask someone in Ramallah or Gaza what their nationality is. They’re not going to say Egyptian or Jordanian. Maybe in the 50s they would have
Our Congress is made up of 4 people? I was enjoying reading the thoughts in this thread from people who read books and then you keep popping in with this kind of trash. Biden and the majority of Democrats in Congress have long been strong, vocal supporters of Israel.
The hard part isn’t building the bomb. It’s enriching the uranium and miniaturizing the weapon to fit on an ICBM.
That they got the rockets from Ukraine, or that they claimed they got them from Ukraine?
I’ve seen claims. I already said earlier this thread that you would see claims. It isn’t accurate that they got stuff from Ukraine. At least not via transaction with Ukraine.
LOL. You’re just stanning for terrorists now. Iran’s mission to the UN is the only source for that claim. Yet we have Hamas and Hezbollah leaders who’ve said attacks were planned at a series of meetings in Beirut coordinated and led by IRG officials. We also have corroborating SIGINT that suggests that’s accurate.
Ok James Bond. IDF spokesperson Brig-General Danny Hagari said there's no indication of Iranian involvement. Also, no US intel has corroborated any Iranian involvement. Denials from both the U.S. and Israeli government > reporting from some random journalist who got fired from Reuters for bogus reporting. The WSJ is nothing but a mouthpiece for neoconservatism.
Senior Hamas and Iranian officials are just chatting with the WSJ? Be serious. Someone wanted that story to be out there when it did. WSJ pulled a Wapo and jumped their skis. But doesn't really matter about the facts since the narrative is out there, as evidenced by James Bond 2.0 bionic tiger
No doubt a great sense of their nationalist pride comes from their religion...even if they may not be very religious. I'm not denying that the religious overtones are there. I'm just saying it is but the shallowest of examinations to insist that this evil is visited upon us because of religion. This is evil people exploiting religion and using it as leverage to do evil things.
Hahaha. You got a source for that? If you’re basing that on an incomplete quote in a guardian article, that’s not smart. Because, that’s not really what Hagari said. No public corroboration doesn’t equal a denial. The tactics and how the attack were carried out make it very obvious who helped plan and coordinate it. Multiple entry point assault. Widespread kidnapping and hostage taking done by small teams. Massive rocket barrage. Simultaneous strikes at several locations by small teams. Fast boats used for amphibious infil. Pretty obvious this was beyond Hamas capabilities. Public messaging doesn’t really mean anything here, especially this early. Iranian involvement is known.
lead off in your reply to yourself with a really stupid question that reveals complete lack of knowledge about how this works, and follow it up with some partisan, political hack anger.
Well, that I'm able to call Netanyahu more moderate than certain members of his cabinet is a pretty damning indictment of the current Israeli government.
Yes, and that's the thing about religion. Who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities
.....or Israeli intelligence cooperated with Hamas/Iran. They have been undermining Netanyahu forever.
Joe offered the traditional statements in support of Israel and left, there's been nothing specifically said about the hostage situation to my knowledge
Netanyahu benefits from crisis. Plain and simple the Israeli intelligence services aren't infallible or omniscient.
I can believe that the government knows or suspects that Hamas terrorists came across the southern border but then lost track of them. Because federal government.
Must have missed where I blamed him, more so expecting him to be more vocal and seemingly "in control." Him shuffling away from a press conference and having a BBQ at the WH amidst this shitshow is an awful look dude. You add in he and Obama's utter naivety concering Iran, and it's even worse.
Since you believe you are not religious, what do you defer to for your moral ethics?
I don’t want to derail this thread any further, but shutting the White House down before noon today is just inexcusable and embarrassing. You can’t do it. I honestly don’t care what letter is next to their name, but the next president has to be a visible leader. The divisiveness and drive by rhetorical bullshit and general lack of leadership is so fvcking old.
9 Americans dead, more taken hostage......this has less to do with politics and more to do with utter failure of foreign policy. White house had a party last night before shutting it all down today at 12PM without taking questions. The f*cking optics of that are just shocking.
