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The prosecutor was going to be fired because he was corrupt like our president had absolutely nothing to do with Biden who have been investigated and cleared. Hell Hunter Biden wasn’t even in Ukraine yet when the alleged corruption allegations with the company in the Ukraine took place. This is what happens when you have no accomplishments to run on have to try and distract voters. Unfortunately for Trump most Americans aren’t as stupid as his loyal cult like followers.
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Why the Framers would reject the Democrats' impeachment criteria

BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 09/27/19 01:00 PM

Many Democrats, including some constitutional law professors, now argue that President Trump can be impeached without evidence of high criminal acts. Some took the opposite view when President Clinton was being impeached. Hypocrisy aside, there are good historical reasons why the impeachment approach of the Democrats is wrong.

During the debates over the impeachment provisions of the Constitution, two differing views of our structure of government were presented. Some Framers argued that a president should be subject to removal by the legislature if he engaged in malfeasance of office or other comparable noncriminal misconduct. The other Framers took the view that giving the legislature such broad authority to remove a president would turn our country into the kind of parliamentary democracy that existed in England, rather than a republic with a strong executive branch.

The Framers rejected the broad criteria proposed by some, and required instead that a president could be removed only after a trial when he was convicted of “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” These more specific criteria assure that a vote to impeach an American president would be very different from a vote of no confidence by parliament, which removed a British prime minister.

Ours has proved to be the more durable system, because of its stability, certainty, and predictability. A British prime minister can be removed on a partisan vote. An American president, on the other hand, can be removed only if both parties agree that he has violated the stringent criteria set out in Article II of the Constitution. Throughout our history, there have been some who have wrongly argued the criteria for impeachment or removal is whatever the House and Senate want it to be. This would turn it into an entirely partisan process, and the Framers did not intend that.

When it comes to removing a president, there is an added constitutional protection. The chief justice of the Supreme Court must preside over the trial, thus introducing a judicial element into the process. The role of the chief justice is, in my view, and in the view of at least two former Supreme Court justices, to assure that Congress does not ignore the Constitution and put itself above the law. We hear from so many Democrats today that no one is above the law, referring to the president. But neither is Congress above the law, and the law mandates that the explicit criteria laid down in the Constitution for impeaching a president must be followed.

Applying these historical truths to the current situation, the case for impeaching President Trump based on the available evidence is extremely weak. The phone call to the president of Ukraine may have been ill advised, but that is a judgment for voters to make. There is nothing in the call that even approaches the constitutional criteria for impeachment and removal of a president. Nor does the special counsel report contain evidence that would justify impeachment. Democrats are seeking to weaponize the Constitution for partisan purposes.

This is not the first time in our history this has happened. Both President Johnson and President Clinton were improperly impeached. Johnson committed no crime, and if Clinton committed a crime, it was not a high crime. It was a low crime involving his personal conduct. Only President Nixon was properly subjected to impeachment and the prospect of removal because he had committed high crimes.

Alexander Hamilton understood the difference between low crimes and high crimes. When he was secretary of the Treasury, he committed adultery, which was a felony at the time, and then paid hush money to prevent disclosure of his felony. But then, when his extortionist threatened to lie and say that he paid the hush money out of Treasury funds, Hamilton realized if he had done so it would have constituted an impeachable high crime. So he published an essay admitting his low crimes but disproving any high crime. Hamilton was never impeached.

History and words matter whether one believes in a living or a dead Constitution. The criteria for impeachment cannot and should not be ignored for partisan purposes. The demand by Democrats to impeach President Trump, without satisfying the constitutional criteria, may be turned tomorrow into a demand by Republicans to again impeach a Democratic president while ignoring these criteria.

That is why every advocate of impeachment should pass the “shoe on the other foot” test. Would you support impeachment against a president of your own party if she or he were accused of this conduct? Unless the answer to that question is yes, it would be unprincipled to engage in this process of impeachment taking place on Capitol Hill.

Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School. His new book is “The Case Against the Democratic House Impeaching Trump.” You can follow him on Twitter @AlanDersh.
 
3rd hand knowledge.....

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”
 
at least one senator hasnt lost his marbles...

The findings of the Mueller report are getting a second look on Capitol Hill after the decision by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to launch a formal impeachment inquiry.

Lyndsey Graham, who served as a prosecutor in the Senate’s 1999 impeachment trial of then President Bill Clinton, says the Democrats’ impeachment push against Trump is bogus.

“There is no high crime or misdemeanor from the Mueller report and this whole transcript is a joke,” Graham said Thursday,
 
at least one senator hasnt lost his marbles...

The findings of the Mueller report are getting a second look on Capitol Hill after the decision by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to launch a formal impeachment inquiry.

Lyndsey Graham, who served as a prosecutor in the Senate’s 1999 impeachment trial of then President Bill Clinton, says the Democrats’ impeachment push against Trump is bogus.

“There is no high crime or misdemeanor from the Mueller report and this whole transcript is a joke,” Graham said Thursday,
Haven't seen the transcript
 
at least one senator hasnt lost his marbles...

The findings of the Mueller report are getting a second look on Capitol Hill after the decision by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to launch a formal impeachment inquiry.

Lyndsey Graham, who served as a prosecutor in the Senate’s 1999 impeachment trial of then President Bill Clinton, says the Democrats’ impeachment push against Trump is bogus.

“There is no high crime or misdemeanor from the Mueller report and this whole transcript is a joke,” Graham said Thursday,

Funny, this is what Graham said during the Clinton impeachment. Wonder why he changed his mind...

You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job (as president) in this constitutional republic if this body determines your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. - Lyndsey Graham
 
Well, we also have no idea who wrote the "whistle blower" complaint. Do we.
We do know that a CIA plant in the White House house was the official leaker, he cannot be legally even called a whistle blower; by statute. We do know the leaker has legal council that puts anti-Trump billboards all over DC.
We do know, this leaker even admitted he had no first hand knowledge of anything. We know that some of his claims came from the msm.
Not too hard for me to take a step back and see what else comes out before I start claiming the President has done anything wrong.

You keep saying that the whistle blower is not technically a whistle blower and that just isn’t true. I don’t understand why you think you understand the “laws” on whistle blowing but the statements you’ve made are incorrect. You are so quick to turn against someone who our government deems extremely trustworthy and has obviously devoted his/her career to our country. They’ve gone through rigorous personal examinations to determine his/her loyalty to the country. Do you think someone like this is willing to make something up about the sitting president and risk all that they’ve worked for? You said, “we know a CIA plant in the Whitehouse...” ... are you serious? Do you think the CIA is anti-Trump too? Do you think someone like you truly knows the interworkings of the CIA? The treatment of this whistle blower seriously make me mad. It’s akin to questioning a military veteran’s willingness to make sacrifices for our country. They are literally the MOST trustworthy person in the eyes of our government - yet say something about Trump and they’re a “snitch” and low life almost immediately. The president’s treatment of this person is a total lack of respect for the US and a disgrace.

Oh, so now we have 10 charges of Obstruction? Well, that is impeachable....except it's not true, and you know it. I like how you use the word "instances". Sound just like the fake news.
Hey, reports coming out that high ranking Ukraine official has stated that his country didn't even know their military funds were put on hold at the time of the phone call, and they surely didn't hear it during the phone call....go figure.

Do you really think there was no Obstruction of Justice by Trump? Don’t even really want to discuss further I’m just asking for clarification.
 
You keep saying that the whistle blower is not technically a whistle blower and that just isn’t true. I don’t understand why you think you understand the “laws” on whistle blowing but the statements you’ve made are incorrect. You are so quick to turn against someone who our government deems extremely trustworthy and has obviously devoted his/her career to our country. They’ve gone through rigorous personal examinations to determine his/her loyalty to the country. Do you think someone like this is willing to make something up about the sitting president and risk all that they’ve worked for? You said, “we know a CIA plant in the Whitehouse...” ... are you serious? Do you think the CIA is anti-Trump too? Do you think someone like you truly knows the interworkings of the CIA? The treatment of this whistle blower seriously make me mad. It’s akin to questioning a military veteran’s willingness to make sacrifices for our country. They are literally the MOST trustworthy person in the eyes of our government - yet say something about Trump and they’re a “snitch” and low life almost immediately. The president’s treatment of this person is a total lack of respect for the US and a disgrace.

Do you even know the statutes and rules by which the CIA operate?
You say my claim about the whistle blower isn't true. I copied and pasted the definition from the statute that proves it. What do you have to prove me wrong? Rachel Maddow?
The NYT is who reported that he is CIA; not me. DO you think it's OK for a CIA agent to work covertly in the WhiteHouse? Where are you from? The USSR?
Doesn't matter so much to me now, because so much has come out since this thread started that proves there is nothing to all of this.




Do you really think there was no Obstruction of Justice by Trump? Don’t even really want to discuss further I’m just asking for clarification.

I don't think it. I know it. If Trump has been charged with Obstruction of Justice, why aren't Pelosi and the others talking about impeaching him for it? Why didn't Mueller, Weismann, Rhea and the other dem lawyers charge him with it? You can't just make up a charge, and neither can Congress
 
I don't think it. I know it. If Trump has been charged with Obstruction of Justice, why aren't Pelosi and the others talking about impeaching him for it? Why didn't Mueller, Weismann, Rhea and the other dem lawyers charge him with it? You can't just make up a charge, and neither can Congress

Okay, noted. You know for a fact Trump didn’t Obstruct.
 
Okay, noted. You know for a fact Trump didn’t Obstruct.

I know for a fact that Mueller's 2.5 year investigation didn't charge anyone with Obstruction. Just like the investigation said that no one colluded with Russians. What I can't understand, for the life of me, is why you don't know it.
 
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I know for a fact that Mueller's 2.5 year investigation didn't charge anyone with Obstruction. Just like the investigation said that no one colluded with Russians. What I can't understand, for the life of me, is why you don't know it.

Mueller stated that he would have charged trump with obstruction if he could have. The official position of the AG was that a sitting president couldn’t be charged with a crime. Congress had enough with the Mueller report to impeach trump, but they let politics dictate right and wrong. Good to see they are finally doing the right thing and holding a lawless, rogue president accountable through impeachment, even if it backfired politically. Jesus is looking down proudly on the Democrats right now.
 
Mueller stated that he would have charged trump with obstruction if he could have. The official position of the AG was that a sitting president couldn’t be charged with a crime. Congress had enough with the Mueller report to impeach trump, but they let politics dictate right and wrong. Good to see they are finally doing the right thing and holding a lawless, rogue president accountable through impeachment, even if it backfired politically. Jesus is looking down proudly on the Democrats right now.

Yes, he tried that until Barr called him down on it. You see, the facts are, that Barr, Rosenstein and a few DOJ lawyers asked him about this before Barr disclosed his first synopsis of the report. That is an undisputed fact. Mueller did say this at his 14 minute press conference and within 20 minutes, had issued a statement that it wasn't true. Again, Fact.
 
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I know for a fact that Mueller's 2.5 year investigation didn't charge anyone with Obstruction. Just like the investigation said that no one colluded with Russians. What I can't understand, for the life of me, is why you don't know it.

I said in my OP that I didn’t want to discuss this topic in too much depth..I just wanted clarification that you actually believe this.
 
Yes, he tried that until Barr called him down on it. You see, the facts are, that Barr, Rosenstein and a few DOJ lawyers asked him about this before Barr disclosed his first synopsis of the report. That is an undisputed fact. Mueller did say this at his 14 minute press conference and within 20 minutes, had issued a statement that it wasn't true. Again, Fact.

You use the word “fact” a lot but I am not sure it means what you think it means.
 
I know for a fact that Mueller's 2.5 year investigation didn't charge anyone with Obstruction. Just like the investigation said that no one colluded with Russians. What I can't understand, for the life of me, is why you don't know it.

Obviously you believe the Mueller report cleared Trump of colluding with the Russians so you must believe the Mueller report when it clearly said the Russian's were and are hacking the U.S. and wanted Trump to win the election.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked Mueller at his hearing on Wednesday if the Russian government “perceived it would benefit from one of the candidates winning.”

Mueller confirmed that they did.

“Which candidate would that be?” Lofgren asked.

“Well, it would be Trump,” Mueller said.
 
Mueller stated that he would have charged trump with obstruction if he could have. The official position of the AG was that a sitting president couldn’t be charged with a crime. Congress had enough with the Mueller report to impeach trump, but they let politics dictate right and wrong. Good to see they are finally doing the right thing and holding a lawless, rogue president accountable through impeachment, even if it backfired politically. Jesus is looking down proudly on the Democrats right now.

"Jesus is looking down proudly on the Democrats right now."


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Obviously you believe the Mueller report cleared Trump of colluding with the Russians so you must believe the Mueller report when it clearly said the Russian's were and are hacking the U.S. and wanted Trump to win the election.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked Mueller at his hearing on Wednesday if the Russian government “perceived it would benefit from one of the candidates winning.”

Mueller confirmed that they did.

“Which candidate would that be?” Lofgren asked.

“Well, it would be Trump,” Mueller said.

If true, What does that have to do with Trump? The report specifically said there was no collusion, not only by Trump and associates, but that no American citizen was found to have colluded. Wonder why Mueller didn't look into Ukraine meddling? Politico, a left wing org, ran a story in jan 2017 about it. Wonder why Mueller didn't look into the origins of the Russia Collusion investigation. Mueller didn't seem to know anything about anything in his testimony. Pretty obvious he was there in name only, and Andrew Weismann was the point man. I think we're gonna find out pretty soon. Hearing IG report on the FISA apps are coming by end of the month.
 
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If true, What does that have to do with Trump? The report specifically said there was no collusion, not only by Trump and associates, but that no American citizen was found to have colluded. Wonder why Mueller didn't look into Ukraine meddling? Politico, a left wing org, ran a story in jan 2017 about it. Wonder why Mueller didn't look into the origins of the Russia Collusion investigation. Mueller didn't seem to know anything about anything in his testimony. Pretty obvious he was there in name only, and Andrew Weismann was the point man. I think we're gonna find out pretty soon. Hearing IG report on the FISA apps are coming by end of the month.

Jesus..the report did not specifically say there was no collusion.

How do you constantly say such asinine things with such strong conviction? No chance someone believes the stuff you do without being completely delusional. Do you believe the govt was behind 9/11, Area 51 contains aliens, etc etc?
 
Jesus..the report did not specifically say there was no collusion.

How do you constantly say such asinine things with such strong conviction? No chance someone believes the stuff you do without being completely delusional. Do you believe the govt was behind 9/11, Area 51 contains aliens, etc etc?

Look man. The report came from who? A PROSECUTOR. His job is to PROSECUTE. He couldn't find anything to PROSECUTE the POTUS, NO CHARGES.
You are the one believing asinine things and I suspect it arises from watching the mouth foaming, mainstream media.
See, if YOU are someone that believes "NOT EXONERATED" is even a legal term, then YOU are the one that is whacko-nut job.
 
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Nothing, I am just glad we finally agree the Russians are actively hacking us and prefer Trump.

Weird how they prefer Trump.

Those darn Bot Farms....go figure. Didn't say I agree, just that I agree that the Report states it.
As we've discussed before, I believe that there were seditious traitors in our Intel community...Brennan and Clapper...very bad.
Maybe Barr and Durham can finally get to the bottom of all this. Apparently, Russia runs through Ukraine. Would be awesome to learn more about CrowdStrike and possibly the server. I thought CrowdStrike was an American company? I guess it is registered here.
 
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Didn't say I agree, just that I agree that the Report states it.
So you believe the report exonerates Trump from collusion but you don't believe the report when it comes to Russian interference? Which is it? Can we believe the report or not?
 
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Nothing, I am just glad we finally agree the Russians are actively hacking us and prefer Trump.

Weird how they prefer Trump.

Let me clear up something. I do believe there was Russian interference that went beyond Bot Farms, but it was not specified in the Report what that interference actually entails. I think Hillary, the DNC and our own Intel community was complicit in colluding with Russia; either directly or indirectly and it wasn't to help Trump. Mueller fell short in that he didn't investigate everything; by his own admission in his testimony. For instance, he didn't know that the Russian lawyer who met with DonJr in the Tower, had also had dinner with Glen SImpson of Fusion GPS, the evening before and the evening following the Tower meeting! In fact, he apparently doesn't even know anything about Fusion GPS, the dirt diggers who bought the Dossier from Michael Steele! Weird?
But again, Barr stated openly in his testimony on the Hill that spying on the Trump campaign appeared to be a real thing and he was gonna look into it. He and Durham are doing that now, and the dems are losing their collective minds. They're going after Rudy. Well Rudy is Trump's lawyer, correct? Well if your client,(Trump) is "Not Exonerated", doesn't the lawyer have a duty to gather evidence to prove his client's innocence? The dems are also attacking Barr; for doing his job! Also, weird. Common sense Americans, who maybe don't even like Trump all that much, really want to know why the country was put through a 2.5 investigation, was told by msm that Trump is a Russian agent; only to have that dud of a Report come back from Mueller? We want answers! Something tells me we are gonna get them, and soon.
 
So you believe the report exonerates Trump from collusion but you don't believe the report when it comes to Russian interference? Which is it? Can we believe the report or not?

Continuation of my last response:
Let me remind you that there are reams of testimony that have been released; from Bruce and Nelly Ohr, (Nelly, a Fusion GPS employee), Glen Simpson of Fusion GPS, a lawyer from Perkins Coie and others. Open source.
Also, Judicial has reams of documents that have been obtained from FOIA requests, FOIA request lawsuits, ( a judge has been forced to compel much of it). Open source.
 
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Look man. The report came from who? A PROSECUTOR. His job is to PROSECUTE. He couldn't find anything to PROSECUTE the POTUS, NO CHARGES.
You are the one believing asinine things and I suspect it arises from watching the mouth foaming, mainstream media.
See, if YOU are someone that believes "NOT EXONERATED" is even a legal term, then YOU are the one that is whacko-nut job.

Well, you think collusion is.

And I don’t watch any mainstream media. I don’t watch the news at all really except sports and markets sometimes.
 
Well, you think collusion is.

And I don’t watch any mainstream media. I don’t watch the news at all really except sports and markets sometimes.
Don't understand your first sentence. Fair enough if you don't pay attention and don't generally have an interest. That is what msm and dems depend on. They can affect your thinking with sound bites.
 
Let me clear up something. I do believe there was Russian interference that went beyond Bot Farms, but it was not specified in the Report what that interference actually entails. I think Hillary, the DNC and our own Intel community was complicit in colluding with Russia; either directly or indirectly and it wasn't to help Trump. Mueller fell short in that he didn't investigate everything; by his own admission in his testimony. For instance, he didn't know that the Russian lawyer who met with DonJr in the Tower, had also had dinner with Glen SImpson of Fusion GPS, the evening before and the evening following the Tower meeting! In fact, he apparently doesn't even know anything about Fusion GPS, the dirt diggers who bought the Dossier from Michael Steele! Weird?
But again, Barr stated openly in his testimony on the Hill that spying on the Trump campaign appeared to be a real thing and he was gonna look into it. He and Durham are doing that now, and the dems are losing their collective minds. They're going after Rudy. Well Rudy is Trump's lawyer, correct? Well if your client,(Trump) is "Not Exonerated", doesn't the lawyer have a duty to gather evidence to prove his client's innocence? The dems are also attacking Barr; for doing his job! Also, weird. Common sense Americans, who maybe don't even like Trump all that much, really want to know why the country was put through a 2.5 investigation, was told by msm that Trump is a Russian agent; only to have that dud of a Report come back from Mueller? We want answers! Something tells me we are gonna get them, and soon.

Hahaha holy cow. The msm has you believing that the DNC and INTEL COMMUNITY are pro Russian???
 
Don't understand your first sentence. Fair enough if you don't pay attention and don't generally have an interest. That is what msm and dems depend on. They can affect your thinking with sound bites.

I live and work in DC and get more than enough information to understand that you’re insane
 
I live and work in DC and get more than enough information to understand that you’re insane

Ok, you opinion is noted. For the record, I think you are ignorant. Just watch how this whole thing plays out and then get back to me. Inside the beltway is nothing but a cesspool of corruption at the highest levels. I'm sure there are plenty of low level types that are ok.
 
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it was not specified in the Report what that interference actually entails.

From the report: Russia carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump. And, second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer intrusion operations against entities, employees and volunteers working on the Clinton campaign.

There is actually several pages dedicated to just what that interference entails.
 
From the report: Russia carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump. And, second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer intrusion operations against entities, employees and volunteers working on the Clinton campaign.

There is actually several pages dedicated to just what that interference entails.

Yeah, the social media campaign was the Bot farms.
Yeah, the computer intrusions, according to Crowd Strike, obtained emails. Note that CrowdStrike was started by Dimitri Alperovitch who is Ukrainian but now an American citizen and CrowdStrike was funded by Ukrainian Oligarch, Victor Pinchuk. Pinchuk is a $10million dollar donor to the Clinton Foundation. Wonder if Andrew Weismann checked on any of this. Know his background?
Back to Rudy for a moment. As Trump's lawyer, do you think he's just started in gathering evidence to support his client? You know that the Admin had the right to respond to the Mueller report, with their own report, right? Wonder why they decided to not respond? Think they're holding their cards close to the vest; waiting for the dems to force the issue as they are now doing? Rudy openly stated on tv that he has reams of evidence already and would happily go to Congress if they will agree to televised hearing and allow him to display what he already has. Have you noticed that the dems are trying to subpeona State Dept people and requiring that they not even obtain legal council? Is that not unprecedented? Did you hear that DOJ has interviewed 130 State Dept officials already? The dems are the ones who are in panic. I think they know what's coming and are desperately trying anything they can to stop it. Again OIG report on FISA s coming soon. I'm sure you caught the blurb that OIG already referred Comey for criminal prosecution. Barr has declined, so far. Think he has something bigger to add to the referral?
 
Ok, you opinion is noted. For the record, I think you are ignorant. Just watch how this whole thing plays out and then get back to me. Inside the beltway is nothing but a cesspool of corruption at the highest levels. I'm sure there are plenty of low level types that are ok.

You think I’m ignorant but I have an intimate working knowledge of some of the things discussed & you don’t and are informed by reading biased news articles and watching media?

It’s crazy that people who claim to love our country also think DC and the government are completely corrupt, the intel community is corrupt, half the country is out to destroy the US, and most of the biggest cities are garbage.

I don’t need to watch how this will “play out.” You really have to understand that the things that keep so much of your attention really are a distraction. It’s crazy how much Reps and Dems agree on but put out this info out to keep the citizens out of the know. I ensure you that as a whole, neither of the two parties are out to destroy the country or collude with Russia. The intel community is a great asset and the greatest intelligence asset in the entire world. There are bad individual actors but our government is something to be proud of. We should spend time trying to work together and build rather than doing exactly what Putin wants us to...turn on each other when Russia (the real enemy) interferes in our country.
 
You think I’m ignorant but I have an intimate working knowledge of some of the things discussed & you don’t and are informed by reading biased news articles and watching media?

It’s crazy that people who claim to love our country also think DC and the government are completely corrupt, the intel community is corrupt, half the country is out to destroy the US, and most of the biggest cities are garbage.

I don’t need to watch how this will “play out.” You really have to understand that the things that keep so much of your attention really are a distraction. It’s crazy how much Reps and Dems agree on but put out this info out to keep the citizens out of the know. I ensure you that as a whole, neither of the two parties are out to destroy the country or collude with Russia. The intel community is a great asset and the greatest intelligence asset in the entire world. There are bad individual actors but our government is something to be proud of. We should spend time trying to work together and build rather than doing exactly what Putin wants us to...turn on each other when Russia (the real enemy) interferes in our country.

Uh no. I believe what I heard AG Barr state in televised testimony to the Senate. He openly stated that he believed the POTUS was spied on and that he was going to look into it. Did not come from any media source.
I also believe that 99% of our intel community are patriots and heroes. Yes, we should all be working together and build. So, what are Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, etc doing. You saying that is a just a distraction? Are they working with the POTUS on asylum loopholes, reducing drug prices, etc? I do believe it is a distraction, but we, as a country need to take whatever steps are necessary to ensure that what has transpired for the last 2.5 years never happens again.
 
You think I’m ignorant but I have an intimate working knowledge of some of the things discussed & you don’t and are informed by reading biased news articles and watching media?

It’s crazy that people who claim to love our country also think DC and the government are completely corrupt, the intel community is corrupt, half the country is out to destroy the US, and most of the biggest cities are garbage.

I don’t need to watch how this will “play out.” You really have to understand that the things that keep so much of your attention really are a distraction. It’s crazy how much Reps and Dems agree on but put out this info out to keep the citizens out of the know. I ensure you that as a whole, neither of the two parties are out to destroy the country or collude with Russia. The intel community is a great asset and the greatest intelligence asset in the entire world. There are bad individual actors but our government is something to be proud of. We should spend time trying to work together and build rather than doing exactly what Putin wants us to...turn on each other when Russia (the real enemy) interferes in our country.

Since you have an intimate knowledge of what's going on in DC. Did you notice that the Fed Prosecutor in Gen Flynn's case resigned over the week-end? What are you hearing about that? Think his case is about to be thrown out by the judge?
 
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