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Blowing whistles

It’s very anti-American to call a likely hero a fraud. The whistleblower had obviously been vetted and each aspect of his life scrutinized by the government to determine if he was trustworthy enough to gain access to sensitive information. You literally know nothing about this person but discredit what he/she says. Shame on you.

Here is where you and I would disagree. Whistleblowers are not always treated like a hero. History proves that. It is NOT the CIAs job to spy on our own country. If you believe that, then you have no problem with Russia, Putin, etc. Much information is coming out now about the 'whistleblower, Schiff, etc and it looks more and more like a contrived set-up everyday.
Nobody even talks about the obvious logic bomb in this whole situation. The whistleblower is obsolete once the real evidence is exposed, no? example: If I call the police hotline and say I saw Elvis hold up the bank with a gun. That is evidence until the police gets the video which proves that Elvis was indeed in the bank, but he didn't have a gun. The transcript is the real evidence. Schiff and Pelosi never dreamed Trump would release the transcript. It through a monkey wrench into their scheme. It's becoming obvious now, regardless of what the msm is spinning. Schiff has already been caught in a couple of lies and timelines prove it.
 
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Here is where you and I would disagree. Whistleblowers are not always treated like a hero. History proves that. It is NOT the CIAs job to spy on our own country. If you believe that, then you have no problem with Russia, Putin, etc. Much information is coming out now about the 'whistleblower, Schiff, etc and it looks more and more like a contrived set-up everyday.
Nobody even talks about the obvious logic bomb in this whole situation. The whistleblower is obsolete once the real evidence is exposed, no? example: If I call the police hotline and say I saw Elvis hold up the bank with a gun. That is evidence until the police gets the video which proves that Elvis was indeed in the bank, but he didn't have a gun. The transcript is the real evidence. Schiff and Pelosi never dreamed Trump would release the transcript. It through a monkey wrench into their scheme. It's becoming obvious now, regardless of what the msm is spinning. Schiff has already been caught in a couple of lies and timelines prove it.

I saw this quote from Malcolm Gladwell and it made me think of you...

Seeing the evidence doesn’t change your mind. Seeing the evidence increases your fear - the fear that the other side might win - your life as you know it will be over.
 
I saw this quote from Malcolm Gladwell and it made me think of you...

Seeing the evidence doesn’t change your mind. Seeing the evidence increases your fear - the fear that the other side might win - your life as you know it will be over.

So, hearsay, second hand "evidence" overrides the actual transcript. That concept makes me think of you!
 
So, hearsay, second hand "evidence" overrides the actual transcript. That concept makes me think of you!
1. The IG’s office also said Monday that it had determined that the whistleblower did have some first-hand, “direct knowledge of certain alleged conduct.”
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Can you read that first line? Not a verbatim transcript... was printed on the "Transcript"

as @nytigerfan said, you are not seeing the evidence for what it is.
 
So, hearsay, second hand "evidence" overrides the actual transcript. That concept makes me think of you!

you keep calling it a transcript, which it is not. it says clearly it is a memo and not verbatim. Clearly they thought it was damaging enough to try and hide it. Several people have sat down and read the memo as if having a conversation, it takes about 11 minutes. The actual call was 30+ minutes.

But even in that memo, there is this line... "The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Both Trump and Goooooliani have admitted - on camera now - that they did pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden. What more do you need?
 
1. The IG’s office also said Monday that it had determined that the whistleblower did have some first-hand, “direct knowledge of certain alleged conduct.”
2.
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Can you read that first line? Not a verbatim transcript... was printed on the "Transcript"

as @nytigerfan said, you are not seeing the evidence for what it is.

It is the exact same procedure fro documenting a president's phone that Obama used. The way I've seen it described is this: In the situation room, there are 3 NSC people that make notes of the call, at the end they compare and compile their notes to form one document.
Also, the principle allegation of Quid Pro Quo has already been shot down by other evidence from the State Dept. Notice Schiff hasn't breathed a word about his little closed door hearing with State Dept. IG. yesterday.
You guys are ignoring all of the damning info that has come out about this "whistleblower" complaint came about. Schiff is in trouble, lol.
But, carry on. I'm enjoying every minute of it.

Oh, by the way, did you happen to catch Brennan on CNN yesterday? Guess who he's going to be talking with in the next day or two?
 
It is the exact same procedure fro documenting a president's phone that Obama used. The way I've seen it described is this: In the situation room, there are 3 NSC people that make notes of the call, at the end they compare and compile their notes to form one document.
It literally calls itself a memo and warns that it's not a transcript. That was my contention. Not anything about Brennan or Obama or anything else.
 
It literally calls itself a memo and warns that it's not a transcript. That was my contention. Not anything about Brennan or Obama or anything else.

Ok. It's a memo comprised by 3 NSC people.; as opposed to hearsay. Unless, you're suggesting that the CIA agent actually hacked a Presidential phone call.
This thing has gone off my radar already, because of the new info that has/is coming out about it. It is basically the the same playbook they used for the Blasey Ford allegations against Kav.
I brought Brennan because, after all, this is a CIA thing right? Oh, and we still don't know who wrote the complaint either, right? Does look like the work of lawyers, at least that what most people think.
 
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Here is where you and I would disagree. Whistleblowers are not always treated like a hero. History proves that. It is NOT the CIAs job to spy on our own country. If you believe that, then you have no problem with Russia, Putin, etc. Much information is coming out now about the 'whistleblower, Schiff, etc and it looks more and more like a contrived set-up everyday.
Nobody even talks about the obvious logic bomb in this whole situation. The whistleblower is obsolete once the real evidence is exposed, no? example: If I call the police hotline and say I saw Elvis hold up the bank with a gun. That is evidence until the police gets the video which proves that Elvis was indeed in the bank, but he didn't have a gun. The transcript is the real evidence. Schiff and Pelosi never dreamed Trump would release the transcript. It through a monkey wrench into their scheme. It's becoming obvious now, regardless of what the msm is spinning. Schiff has already been caught in a couple of lies and timelines prove it.

How do you know the CIA was spying on our country? Why do you think it looks more and more like a contrived set up everyday?
 
facts-

ukranian prosecutor picked to investigate corruption.

when he gets to his office, his staff has been bought and paid for.

he fights back. papa joe says no. we want u fired. we need someone who will fight corruption in a different direction.

i bet biden's son paid some of those staff members to look the other way.

i have absolutely no proof, thats just a speculation. why was biden being paid so much for what?


change government to liberal operatives and you nailed it.

And those are all facts?
 
Here is where you and I would disagree. Whistleblowers are not always treated like a hero. History proves that. It is NOT the CIAs job to spy on our own country. If you believe that, then you have no problem with Russia, Putin, etc. Much information is coming out now about the 'whistleblower, Schiff, etc and it looks more and more like a contrived set-up everyday.
Nobody even talks about the obvious logic bomb in this whole situation. The whistleblower is obsolete once the real evidence is exposed, no? example: If I call the police hotline and say I saw Elvis hold up the bank with a gun. That is evidence until the police gets the video which proves that Elvis was indeed in the bank, but he didn't have a gun. The transcript is the real evidence. Schiff and Pelosi never dreamed Trump would release the transcript. It through a monkey wrench into their scheme. It's becoming obvious now, regardless of what the msm is spinning. Schiff has already been caught in a couple of lies and timelines prove it.

Most of the time you don’t hear about whistleblowers. That’s kind of the point.
 
I absolutely do despise Trump as a person. That makes it really hard sometimes to know the difference between my personal angst and what Trump is doing wrong. I'm not one of these folks who wants the US in recession to make Trump look bad. But dude, you HAVE to be kidding? The President of the US is taking time out from his day to investigate a company accused of corruption with the help of a foreign country? AND he offers his personal lawyer to help out? Oh and by the way, he just HAPPENED to hold up the military aid that country needs to stay afloat before this call? AND that company just happens to be run by the family of the guy running against him? Come on man... If the President had a D by his name, you'd be going nuts about this (and rightfully so).

Again, I have NO PROBLEM throwing Biden's whole family in jail if they broke the law.

Boomerang!
 
Again, I have NO PROBLEM with investigating anyone anytime. I do have a problem with the President breaking the law. It is a felony to get foreign aid to help with your campaign (anything of value). Just like with a lot of folks on here, you'd be going crazy if a Democrat did this, but it's OK because it's Donald Trump.

This is not campaign related at all, but law and order related. Take the liberal tin foil hat off and look at reality. Biden and many others did illegal things and the hammer is swinging back now. We may get Red October after all, just a year later, but no I am not making a prediction on timeline. I do predict it will happen. Barr and Durham will drop the hammer.
 
I'm equally amazed that a President can do what Trump has done in the past 4 years and still have people who think so highly of him. So you are saying that the military aid being held up by Trump was just random chance. That Biden and son were part of that company was just chance? That Trump was just investigating corruption and trying to get to the bottom of things. Sure man.

I love President Trump!! Greatest President in my lifetime without a doubt!!
 
The prosecutor was going to be fired because he was corrupt like our president had absolutely nothing to do with Biden who have been investigated and cleared. Hell Hunter Biden wasn’t even in Ukraine yet when the alleged corruption allegations with the company in the Ukraine took place. This is what happens when you have no accomplishments to run on have to try and distract voters. Unfortunately for Trump most Americans aren’t as stupid as his loyal cult like followers.
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Why the hell should the Vice President of the US have any interest or say in a prosecutor in the Ukraine??? I will answer for you.....he shouldn't. Dude, they have a video of Biden bragging about what he did. Biden had this taken care of to protect all that money his family was receiving. He was using the resources of the US to make his family rich beyond the wildest dreams of most.
 
Mueller stated that he would have charged trump with obstruction if he could have. The official position of the AG was that a sitting president couldn’t be charged with a crime. Congress had enough with the Mueller report to impeach trump, but they let politics dictate right and wrong. Good to see they are finally doing the right thing and holding a lawless, rogue president accountable through impeachment, even if it backfired politically. Jesus is looking down proudly on the Democrats right now.

Mueller did not say that he would have charged Trump at all. You are making wild assumptions based on liberal innuendo.
 
No... Here is the way it works. The parts of the Mueller Report that exonerate the President are absolutely true. The parts that state Russian Interference and infer that the President obstructed the investigation are untrue because Mueller is part of the deep state. Just like anything the intelligence community puts forth that Trump agrees with is good information and should be acted on. Anything that Trump doesn't agree with is because they are deep state, full of traitors, and are out to get him.

Trump never needed exoneration. Innocent until proven guilty in the USA!! Stars and Bars!! God Bless America!!
 
reading trump's twitter is comical, he is losing his marbles. Yesterday he tweeted that people should not judge him on the stock market performance since his inauguration, but instead from when he won the election, By tweeting that he basically admitted that the positive market growth was negated by his own policies. Someone smarter must have pointed that out to him, because today he blamed the poor stock market performance on the democrats impeachment push. He is all over the place.

I love Trump's Twitter. Read it daily and you might get smarter.
 
Sorry, I missed this part, what did he do?

He is absolutely guilty of using the resources of the United States Government to make his family rich. He even brags about it in this video. The US VP should have no interest in a Ukrainian prosecutor at all no matter what and then you add in that his son is getting millions and millions of dollars from the company that the prosecutor is investigating and that's too much. Biden has lied about this in more than one way. He needs to go down.
 
He is absolutely guilty of using the resources of the United States Government to make his family rich. He even brags about it in this video. The US VP should have no interest in a Ukrainian prosecutor at all no matter what and then you add in that his son is getting millions and millions of dollars from the company that the prosecutor is investigating and that's too much. Biden has lied about this in more than one way. He needs to go down.
Lol you didn't watch the video
 
Why the hell should the Vice President of the US have any interest or say in a prosecutor in the Ukraine??? I will answer for you.....he shouldn't. Dude, they have a video of Biden bragging about what he did. Biden had this taken care of to protect all that money his family was receiving. He was using the resources of the US to make his family rich beyond the wildest dreams of most.
What’s it like when you lose the ability to think for yourself and believe nothing but lies and propaganda. Did you get these talking points from Hannity or Alex Jones. Just please don’t actually drink the kool aid when Trump gets beat next November. It might take you Trump followers a little while to get there but I’m confident most of you can eventually be deprogrammed.
 
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What’s it like when you lose the ability to think for yourself and believe nothing but lies and propaganda. Did you get these talking points from Hannity or Alex Jones. Just please don’t actually drink the kool aid when Trump gets beat next November. It might take you Trump followers a little while to get there but I’m confident most of you can eventually be deprogrammed.

I am using common sense. Maybe you should try that...LOL. This one is easy to see unlike the fantasy crimes you all see Trump committing.
 
I am using common sense. Maybe you should try that...LOL. This one is easy to see unlike the fantasy crimes you all see Trump committing.
Ok let’s use a little common sense Joe Biden has 21 years of tax returns available online anyone can see them so go compare his tax returns with Trumps tax returns and tell me who you think is corrupt then.
 
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This is not campaign related at all, but law and order related. Take the liberal tin foil hat off and look at reality. Biden and many others did illegal things and the hammer is swinging back now. We may get Red October after all, just a year later, but no I am not making a prediction on timeline. I do predict it will happen. Barr and Durham will drop the hammer.

I don't know HOW MANY FREAKING TIMES I have to say this. I don't give a crap about Hillary, Biden, or Obama at all. If they did something wrong, investigate them and throw them in jail. I have no problem with that.

Trump should be held to the same standard. It is NOT OK for an American President to enlist the aid of foreign countries to get dirt on his political rivals. It's a felony and everything. Period. Do you really think it's "just coincidence" that Trump is investigating Biden? Name 3 other non political Americans that Trump has asked other countries to investigate.

Google, Facebook, Exxon.. All these companies are doing really nasty things around the world and getting fined for it. But ODDLY enough, Trump ONLY investigates Biden. I'm just shaking my head here.
 
I dunno, feels like the president of the United States should be above that

Come on man. Below Trump? Are you kidding? Trump gets up on the world stage and hawks his Florida resort like a used car salesman so that he can personally make a buck. Trump will do and say ANYTHING to promote himself.
 
I don't know HOW MANY FREAKING TIMES I have to say this. I don't give a crap about Hillary, Biden, or Obama at all. If they did something wrong, investigate them and throw them in jail. I have no problem with that.

Trump should be held to the same standard. It is NOT OK for an American President to enlist the aid of foreign countries to get dirt on his political rivals. It's a felony and everything. Period. Do you really think it's "just coincidence" that Trump is investigating Biden? Name 3 other non political Americans that Trump has asked other countries to investigate.

Google, Facebook, Exxon.. All these companies are doing really nasty things around the world and getting fined for it. But ODDLY enough, Trump ONLY investigates Biden. I'm just shaking my head here.
Actually Trump himself couldn’t name 1 non political rival he has had investigated when a reporter asked him yesterday.
 
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I am using common sense. Maybe you should try that...LOL. This one is easy to see unlike the fantasy crimes you all see Trump committing.
Common sense isn't real and critical thinking isn't common. Much of the world is counterintuitive and most people have opinions when they should plead ignorance.
 
Ok let’s use a little common sense Joe Biden has 21 years of tax returns available online anyone can see them so go compare his tax returns with Trumps tax returns and tell me who you think is corrupt then.

Hes funneling the crooked money through his kids dude. Biden and others using public office to get rich. Trump made his money and went in rich and doesnt owe no one and is doing it for America. Trump cant be bought!
 
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