Blowing whistles

[hopefultiger13]

i cant yet. my sources you dont like so its pointless.

let john durham finish his investigation.

wish he leaked information like the democrats did and do.

I bet you can't. I like REPUTABLE sources. Places that collect data. Places that have a good reputation for reporting facts. Notice that I don't site CNN, MSNBC or any of those biased sites. They report the truth more often than not, but their view is tilted to the left. The same with FoxNews. I do actually site them on occasion as their pure news site has a high rating for factual reporting. So when you post a link to a site that routinely post unproven conspiracy theories, I don't believe it any more than I believe you when you tell me someone that you've never even met is evil and a criminal.

 

[hopefultiger13]

@hopefultiger13

what exactly is "this thing of value from a foreign govt"?

and exactly "how will this help his campaign"?

my argument is-

i have no problem with a president of the united states to "look into corruption of your govt" that i am about to give half a billion too.

the problem here is the son of a former vice president was involved in this corruption.

and we have video evidence of papa joe bragging about "holding up a billion dollars" "if you guys dont fire this (jim gordan type) prosecutor".

so just answer the first 2 questions and convince me that ---

what exactly is "this thing of value from a foreign govt"?

and exactly "how will this help his campaign"?

Opposition research is the thing of value. Politicos pay large sums for investigation into their opponents (to uncover dirt). This is a well known part of the political process. Almost every body in an election does it. When you PAY for something, that means it has value. You CAN'T accept anything of value from a foreign government. Let's assume that Biden is dirty. Do you think that Ukraine saying that Biden is a criminal will help Trump in the election? Of course it will.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Alert: The following link comes from a left leaning, no fan of Trump website, Politico:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

This article was written before the Inauguration. Let me remind you that Manafort was convicted from a piece of evidence that the press called "a black ledger" that was produced in the Ukraine and handed over to Mueller's prosecutors.
Here is an article from a Ukrainian source about the conviction of the two gentlemen who were working with the DNC to dig up dirt; as referenced in the Politico article. If you read the whole thing, you will notice that there is evidence that Manaforts name being on the Black Ledger is sketchy.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-po...-election-kyiv-court-rules.html?cn-reloaded=1
As for your statements regarding Trump people going to jail for lying: Have you never heard of a Perjury Trap? As a matter of fact, Muellers band of Left Winged, Hillary supporting lawyers used it quite frequently. Lt Gen. Flynn is about to have his conviction thrown out of court, and he plead GUILTY! Imagine that! WHat could cause a guy who pleads guilty to have a judge throw his case out. I'll tell what. It's called PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT. Mueller's lead prosecutor, Andrew Weissman has had books written about his prosecutorial misconduct. How he still has a law license, is a mystery. Jeannie Rhee was the chief lawyer for the clinton foundation.
You just watch. Now that John Durham has turned his inquiry into a full blown criminal investigation, the MSM will smear him, Barr, Horowitz, and anyone else involved with getting to truth. The truth is what I've been saying for 2 years. Obama's admin conspired with the Hillary campaign to illegally spy on Trump and other US citizens. They also used foreign intel assets from Britain, Italy, Ukraine, and Australia; to circumvent US law and "set up" Trump associates.

Surprise, wrong again! Here's politico:

• Overall, we rate Politico Least Biased based on balanced coverage of news stories and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

So, no they aren't left leaning, they are not unbiased. Which to any Trumpian, MEANS that they are biased against Trump and probably part of the Fake News, Marxis Press. Possibly part of the Deep State. But I'll give you props for using a decent source for a change. However, you can't seem to wrap your head around the concept that Hillary's crimes have nothing to do with Trump's crimes. If Hillary breaks the law lock her up... That doesn't mean that Trump can break the law. That seems to be the crux of a lot of your arguments... someone else acted improperly so it's OK for Trump to do so.

The concept of a perjury trap is total bullshit. According to the justice department it is extremely difficult to prove and no US Federal Court has EVER dismissed a case due to a perjury trap. Not ONCE. But all of Trump's convicted lying aids were screwed by this? Pease.

Justice Dept Link

All you have to do is tell the truth and you don't get convicted. And remember, these people were convicted by a jury, not a judge. They had a trial or pleaded guilty.

We are sill waiting for your proof of the Deep State right? Going on 3 years now.. Remember how the IG was going to blow this open, yet in the conclusion of his investigation he said their was no evidence of a Deep State. Hope no one was holding their breath.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Mueller stated that he would have charged trump with obstruction if he could have. The official position of the AG was that a sitting president couldn’t be charged with a crime. Congress had enough with the Mueller report to impeach trump, but they let politics dictate right and wrong. Good to see they are finally doing the right thing and holding a lawless, rogue president accountable through impeachment, even if it backfired politically. Jesus is looking down proudly on the Democrats right now.

Way late but that isn't entirely accurate if you're refering to the Mueller testimony. Mueller corrected his testimony to say that he did not reach a conclusion on obstruction. It's not an exoneration, but it is an important difference.

 

[CU Alumnus]

I dunno, feels like the president of the United States should be above that

Nobody is above autocorrect screwing up their tweets. Nobody.

Ok let’s use a little common sense Joe Biden has 21 years of tax returns available online anyone can see them so go compare his tax returns with Trumps tax returns and tell me who you think is corrupt then.

Probably both.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Like I said. If this was business as usual for "justice warrior" Trump. Show me. Where has he asked other governments to investigate businessmen organized crime figures? I've looked and couldn't find a single other instance. Show me. Of course it wouldn't matter right? IF Trump did pressure a country to attack Biden and affect the election, you'd still be 100% behind him. He's above the law.

AsTrump said in that famous speech of his: I could walk out onto 5th ave and and shoot someone and not lose a voter.

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You seem like one of these folks.

IIRC that was during the general election and he was right. It had a lot to do with who he was running against.

Hell - some dude in Nevada lost a race to a DEAD GUY!

Because us Republicans changed the rules after Clinton. She doesn't have to.

She also knows it's a bad idea. But her party has a lot of vocal morons in it. They don't have a monopoly on morons but they have their share.

 

[firegiver]

Way late but that isn't entirely accurate if you're refering to the Mueller testimony. Mueller corrected his testimony to say that he did not reach a conclusion on obstruction. It's not an exoneration, but it is an important difference.

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Actually his conclusion was that he cant indict a sitting president so while he could list all the evidence, he could not bring charges.

 

[appalachiatiger]

i absolutely have zero problem with Donald Trump using any power he has to uncover corruption and continue to drain the swamp.

again, we didnt hire jimmy carter type to fight this corruption. we hired someone we know who absolutely loves america, loves what made it great, and his actually policies prove he is for the american worker.

last nite i saw don lemon attack a trump supporter who was trying to defend trump.

trump released some 3000 non violent black men from prisons for petty crimes. i dont care if you say he is a racist. he did something for 3000 families that some could turn out good.

u need to understand you can rant and be pissed but trump will be president for 8 years.

people vote with their pocket books, and how a president actually affects their lives.

he will win in a landslide. americans with brains sees this shit show in washington.

ney remember reagan. quid pro quo before he was even office. he undermined carter, but got our hostages back. he served 8 years too.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Actually his conclusion was that he cant indict a sitting president so while he could list all the evidence, he could not bring charges.

in the actual testimony. i watched from start to finish. he stated what both sides wanted to hear. his whole report was a waste of time and money.

 

[appalachiatiger]

IIRC that was during the general election and he was right. It had a lot to do with who he was running against.

Hell - some dude in Nevada lost a race to a DEAD GUY!



She also knows it's a bad idea. But her party has a lot of vocal morons in it. They don't have a monopoly on morons but they have their share.

that sucks they changed the rules. hope they change it back. all the trump admin has to do is use the same excuses the obama admin used. worked for him to obstruct delay and hide.

but rule or not, really bad decision to hide witnesses and exact language from testimony to fit shifty's narrative.

what shifty doesnt realize that 60 million americans already know what he is doing and what is is going to present to us. and know he is lying.

a congressional leader is lying to americans and trying to overturn an election. crazy huh.

 

[appalachiatiger]

its ok.

trump loves you.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Like I said. If this was business as usual for "justice warrior" Trump. Show me. Where has he asked other governments to investigate businessmen organized crime figures? I've looked and couldn't find a single other instance. Show me. Of course it wouldn't matter right? IF Trump did pressure a country to attack Biden and affect the election, you'd still be 100% behind him. He's above the law.

AsTrump said in that famous speech of his: I could walk out onto 5th ave and and shoot someone and not lose a voter.

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You seem like one of these folks.

if he shot george soros, nancy pelosi, adam schiff, jerry nadler, the squad, hillary clinton, chuck schumer-

most americans would hint a smile....

 

[appalachiatiger]

Nobody is above autocorrect screwing up their tweets. Nobody.



Probably both.

the catch is joe biden enriched himself with taxpayer money.

trump used the system of capitalism to gain wealth.

and like he said, both probably skewed some from the law, like everyone i have ever met in my life.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Surprise, wrong again! Here's politico:

• Overall, we rate Politico Least Biased based on balanced coverage of news stories and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

So, no they aren't left leaning, they are not unbiased. Which to any Trumpian, MEANS that they are biased against Trump and probably part of the Fake News, Marxis Press. Possibly part of the Deep State. But I'll give you props for using a decent source for a change. However, you can't seem to wrap your head around the concept that Hillary's crimes have nothing to do with Trump's crimes. If Hillary breaks the law lock her up... That doesn't mean that Trump can break the law. That seems to be the crux of a lot of your arguments... someone else acted improperly so it's OK for Trump to do so.

The concept of a perjury trap is total bullshit. According to the justice department it is extremely difficult to prove and no US Federal Court has EVER dismissed a case due to a perjury trap. Not ONCE. But all of Trump's convicted lying aids were screwed by this? Pease.

Justice Dept Link

All you have to do is tell the truth and you don't get convicted. And remember, these people were convicted by a jury, not a judge. They had a trial or pleaded guilty.

We are sill waiting for your proof of the Deep State right? Going on 3 years now.. Remember how the IG was going to blow this open, yet in the conclusion of his investigation he said their was no evidence of a Deep State. Hope no one was holding their breath.

so you would be ok with biden, clapper, brennan, mccabe, eric and his wife, comey, rice, and hillary being charged?

 

[appalachiatiger]

i hope the justice dept opens an inquiry into the origins of the whistleblower.

rumor has it, he worked for the bidens and he was assisted by the schiff staff prior to blowing.

and who change the form and why?

second and third hand knowledge should never be used. best case is his warning be reviewed by justice dept if credible. if not, end of story.

 

[appalachiatiger]

I bet you can't. I like REPUTABLE sources. Places that collect data. Places that have a good reputation for reporting facts. Notice that I don't site CNN, MSNBC or any of those biased sites. They report the truth more often than not, but their view is tilted to the left. The same with FoxNews. I do actually site them on occasion as their pure news site has a high rating for factual reporting. So when you post a link to a site that routinely post unproven conspiracy theories, I don't believe it any more than I believe you when you tell me someone that you've never even met is evil and a criminal.

hey check out debka.com

its jewish leaning but has some great insight.

also check out the christian science monitor. good in depth stuff. if you are a muslim or devil worshipper, you could still grasp.

 

[appalachiatiger]

So Trump is playing chess.....


Six hours of discussion in Sochi ended in a deal between President Vladimir Putin and President Recep Erdogan for a buffer zone, a halt in Turkey’s operation in NE Syria and its pullback from the country, DEBKAfile’s military sources report. Their memorandum has five main points:

1. Russia agreed to remove the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia to beyond 30 km from the Turkish border, after which Russian and Turkish troops will jointly patrol a narrow 10km deep “safe zone.”
2. Beginning at noon on Wednesday, Russian military police and Syrian border guards will facilitate the removal of YPG members and weapons to beyond the zone within 150 hours (thereby continuing the truce US Vice President Mike Pence concluded with Erdogan last week.)
3. This truce will be extended as of Wednesday noon.
4. The situation in the Syrian Kurdish towns of Ras al-Ayn and Tal Abyad which Turkish forces were poised to attack, but never captured, will remain as is up to 32km from the border. Our military sources say that this point in effect allows the Kurdish forces to stay where they are in parts of those towns.
5. The Kurdish YPG will leave the towns of Tel Rifaat and Manjib.
6. Turkey agrees to terminate its military operation against the Kurds of northern Syria.

Erdogan then announced finally: “We have signed a historic memorandum for the territorial and political integrity of Syria and the return of refugees.” He refrained from alluding to the Kurds in his statement. Putin said: “We resolved the rather acute situation that has developed on the Syrian-Turkish border.” He too omitted mention of the Kurdish issue.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Opposition research is the thing of value. Politicos pay large sums for investigation into their opponents (to uncover dirt). This is a well known part of the political process. Almost every body in an election does it. When you PAY for something, that means it has value. You CAN'T accept anything of value from a foreign government. Let's assume that Biden is dirty. Do you think that Ukraine saying that Biden is a criminal will help Trump in the election? Of course it will.

you got us to the see saw- KUDOS

on one side- you have a swamp that needs to be drained. biden and his family are a part of that swamp, just as the clintons. our president knows that the biden family committed crimes and has evidence.

on the other side you got the moral ethicist behavior of the anti trumpers. they hate trump MORE THAN draining the swamp.

i dont care if it helps the trump campaign. thats called collateral damage.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Actually his conclusion was that he cant indict a sitting president so while he could list all the evidence, he could not bring charges.

Just going off of the testimony bits I saw, that does not appear to be what he said.

It may be true, and I do know that Mueller supposedly did not think he could indict a sitting President, but what he said was different than the implication that the ONLY reason he did not indict was because he didn't think he could (which is how it's being spun by the left).

In fairness, the right is spinning it as exoneration. So the whole damn thing is being spun somehow.

I don't even GAF at this point, honestly. It looks like it will likely be Trump and his baggage, vs some nutball in 2020 (the entire field of candidates appear to be nutballs). Maybe this is the best approach.....

 

[appalachiatiger]

@orangelvis

"The Italian justice ministry’s public records show that Mifsud had applied for police protection in Italy after disappearing from Link University, where he worked and, in doing so, had given a taped deposition to explain just why people might want to harm him.

A source in the Italian Ministry of Justice, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Barr and Durham were played the tape.

A second source within the Italian government also confirmed that Barr and Durham were shown other evidence the Italians had on Mifsud."- italian newspaper

noose is tightening on hillary. heard clapper is saying he was only following orders of obama.

 

[orangelvis]

Actually his conclusion was that he cant indict a sitting president so while he could list all the evidence, he could not bring charges.

Actually, that's bullsh!t. He told Barr, Rosenstein and 2 DOJ lawyers that was not the reason he didn't charge. He was coaxed into stating that by a dem in the hearing; only to take it back after the lunch break. FAKE NEWS.
Yeah, actually, he left it up to Barr, Rosenstein and the DOJ legal team to decide if the instances that his team looked into, met the threshold of Obstruction. They decided it did not.

 

[firegiver]

Actually, that's bullsh!t. He told Barr, Rosenstein and 2 DOJ lawyers that was not the reason he didn't charge. He was coaxed into stating that by a dem in the hearing; only to take it back after the lunch break. FAKE NEWS.
Yeah, actually, he left it up to Barr, Rosenstein and the DOJ legal team to decide if the instances that his team looked into, met the threshold of Obstruction. They decided it did not.

nuance isn't you're best subject. Nothing I stated was bull shit even against what you said. You're fake news. Barr is the best of the best right? Only making objective decisions.

 

[appalachiatiger]

nuance isn't you're best subject. Nothing I stated was bull shit even against what you said. You're fake news. Barr is the best of the best right? Only making objective decisions.

firegiver,

the mueller report, clearly states that there is no collusion. since there is no crime, you cant obstruct something that is not criminal.

this is why they made this story up too. if the muller report was worth anything, they would not have needed to make this up.

the AG is part of the Executive branch of govt. has always worked for the president.

barr received second hand knowledge that criminal behavior occurred during the 2016 election campaign. its his job to investigate.

yes he did choose to investigate the origins of the set up and spying on the trump campaign by the DNC, FBI, CIA, State Dept, the clinton campaign, and now the obama white house(clapper states he was only doing what the president told him to do).

this is much much bigger than the president asking ukraine to clean up in corruption. thats corruption in the ukraine that we are giving money to.

the russia situation directly affected our election. trump would have won by a larger margin had those players under obama had not committed treason.

 

[appalachiatiger]

i would not support trump had his campaign and the RNC used the executive branch to create a fake story to investigate and spy on the hillary campaign.

its wrong, its bigger than party. if you choose not to care what barr is doing or think barr is wasting his time, then you are clearly brainwashed by the liberals or just hate trump so much you cant see clearly.

 

[orangelvis]

nuance isn't you're best subject. Nothing I stated was bull shit even against what you said. You're fake news. Barr is the best of the best right? Only making objective decisions.

lol. I see where you are. You believe "Not Exonerated" is an actual legal term and Barr is now some Trump loving partisan and hasn't had a 30+ year stellar career. Well, you better throw Rosenstein under the bus also. He didn't see things your way either. How about John Durham? He has done more for Dem AGs than repubs, although he is respected by both sides. You gonna believe him?

 

[appalachiatiger]

i cant believe the dems chose nancy pelosi to be there leader.

she already failed once. could this hire rival carolina hiring muschamp?

having part of the hearing private, now under pressure from american voters and most likely the judicial branch will rule you cant force a witness to testify without some type of formal setting.

this circus show has already undermined their goal. she should have replaced schiff as lead.

we have a phone conference of him asking the russians for naked pics of trump.

we have a parody of which at the time schiff displayed as an accurate account of the phone call, which was a lie.

he has zero credibility with the supreme court justices, any reasonable senator, and anyone not living in his little district.

las vegas would place better odds on durham putting people in jail before the vote on impeachment in the senate.

which once the american people find out the reality behind how the press came to blame trump for collusion with the russians.

REMEMBER THIS ALL STARTED WITH DEMOCRATS AND GEORGE SOROS FOLLOWERS STATING THAT THEY HAD EVIDENCE THAT DONALD J TRUMP COLLUDED WITH THE RUSSIANS DURING AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN.

just remember that one statement you anti trumpers constantly hammered for 6 months.

TRUMP COLLUDED WITH THE RUSSIANS- WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE!

that was a lie.

 

[firegiver]

lol. I see where you are. You believe "Not Exonerated" is an actual legal term and Barr is now some Trump loving partisan and hasn't had a 30+ year stellar career. Well, you better throw Rosenstein under the bus also. He didn't see things your way either. How about John Durham? He has done more for Dem AGs than repubs, although he is respected by both sides. You gonna believe him?

You see the point is: You can't indict a sitting president on obstruction of justice. Is the conclusion. Not that there wasn't anything to indict on. What are you even arguing about?

 

[appalachiatiger]

You see the point is: You can't indict a sitting president on obstruction of justice. Is the conclusion. Not that there wasn't anything to indict on. What are you even arguing about?

You cant obstruct a lie.

 

[orangelvis]

You see the point is: You can't indict a sitting president on obstruction of justice. Is the conclusion. Not that there wasn't anything to indict on. What are you even arguing about?

True, but you can't indict a sitting POTUS for anything; not just obstruction. That's why a POTUS who has committed treason, bribery or high crimes, etc, have to be charged with those crimes and then impeached before they can be indicted. Trump was not "charged" with obstruction by Mueller. On the other hand, Bill Clinton was charged with crimes as a result of his investigation.

 

[nytigerfan]

True, but you can't indict a sitting POTUS for anything; not just obstruction. That's why a POTUS who has committed treason, bribery or high crimes, etc, have to be charged with those crimes and then impeached before they can be indicted. Trump was not "charged" with obstruction by Mueller. On the other hand, Bill Clinton was charged with crimes as a result of his investigation.

your understanding of history is - as always - flawed. Starr submitted a report recommending charges...

you know what? never mind, I should have learned my lesson with you a long time ago. no point in showing you facts. you are going to believe whatever fits your beliefs.

 

[appalachiatiger]

Hey @orangelvis

Great article

https://www.lawfareblog.com/mueller-report-and-national-security-investigations-and-prosecutions

 

[orangelvis]

your understanding of history is - as always - flawed. Starr submitted a report recommending charges...

you know what? never mind, I should have learned my lesson with you a long time ago. no point in showing you facts. you are going to believe whatever fits your beliefs.

Ok. Mueller didn't recommend any charges. Feel better?

 

[appalachiatiger]

pelosi has royally screwed herself by putting forth an inquiry vote.

now- all testimony prior to enacting this vote must be null and voided.

and all witnesses must come forth again to begin the process all over.

the president has due process to have an attorney present at these hearings.

plus they need to be public.

the republicans will be able to call witnesses to establish a historical prospective of reality hopefully

argument could be made to replace schiff due to his conflict with whistleblower.

 

[appalachiatiger]

how funny would that be if the republicans asked thursday thru resulotion to discard all prior testimony. start from scratch.

god they have such a case to make that happen.

 

[appalachiatiger]

damn guys, that resolution tomorrow is a sham.

gotta vote no vote.

its does NOT allow the president to have legal counsel present.

not sure if it will make it public.

but a damn sham.

what a disgrace.

 

[appalachiatiger]

gonna be hilarious if schiff ends up being the one put in prison.

 

[Rychek4]

Nobody is above autocorrect screwing up their tweets. Nobody.

My bad, I figured the president might have an editor.

 

[CU Alumnus]

My bad, I figured the president might have an editor.

Covfefe

 

[appalachiatiger]

My bad, I figured the president might have an editor.

did braveheart have an editor???

 

[appalachiatiger]

shoot if schiff would

add joe biden, hunter biden, rice, brennan, and clapper to the witness stand

then obviously the whistleblower has to come forth and testify.

not sure why whistleblower was first, should have been

and let republicans ask any questions without being shutdown by the chair

id be ok with the process

o the president needs an attorney present to help organize his thoughts for the senate hearing if it goes that far.

but on the path the democrats have led us down, and the path we are own going forward,

this impeachment process will die on the table in the senate.

senators are a different from house reps.

they dont like to pretend to be fooled, no matter what side of the isle they are on.