Covid vaccine tomorrow!!
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i am with you...i am scheduled for friday afternoon...
About the same result an Army friend of mine experienced a month or so ago. Said the 2nd shot put him down a day, was pretty sick.
That will depend on when the supply goes up. Healthy people, especially younger people, will be the last group eligible. I’ve been hearing they probably won’t be eligible until the spring, when there are at least a few vaccines available, and vaccine manufacturers will have produced a lot more beyond thus initial run bought by the government.
At that point, doctors should be able to order vaccines directly to their office similar to the way they’d order them through the Vaccines for Kids program. Right now, in the states I know about, vaccines are only going to hospitals and local health departments. After health care workers and long term care residents (1A) get vaccinated, the next phase are essential front-line workers (1B), and then high risk and older adults (1C). Phase 2 might include people working in essential jobs or people with moderate comorbid conditions. Then phase 3 could be kids and young adults. Phase 4 is everybody else. But all of that will depend on supply.
The whole point of vaccines is herd immunity. But with vaccines you don’t end up in the hospital, or dying, or getting really sick, or spreading the disease to others who are more at risk.
The Bill Gates quote from the video does not say what you are saying in Number 1. He says that vaccines and birth control/family planning can reduce the rate of population growth, not reduce the population of the earth, aka kill people. This is particularly important in developing countries.
This is what I don’t get- I always thought all vaccines basically did both. More obvious is that no vaccine is 100% effective. So it still might be better to do a little social distancing until nearly enough people (like around 200 million people) have been vaccinated.
Fact check: Bell's palsy among COVID-19 trial participants likely unrelated to Pfizer vaccine — USA TODAY
A Facebook post claims 4 volunteers from the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine trial developed Bell's palsy. That claim is missing significant context.
Fact check: Bell's palsy among COVID-19 trial participants likely unrelated to Pfizer vaccine — USA TODAY
A Facebook post claims 4 volunteers from the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine trial developed Bell's palsy. That claim is missing significant context.apple.news
of course you’d laugh...it’s just coincidental...bells palsy happens to so many people I know
Regardless...you’re more likely to die of walking down the street where you are in Chicago than die of Covid so there’s that
The key problem there is the "majority". If this thing happened in 1982-1986 and they came by my dorm room, sure I would take a shot. Or if they had a table giving vaccines at TigerTownTavern I'd get a shot. But if I had to take a break from my happy hour to go to redfern and stand in line for a shot, it probably wouldn't happen.
Just check around before believing some of that stuff. Maybe be especially careful about looking for things that confirm what you want to believe.
I might be more likely to get hit by a car and die than to die from COVID, but I’m not more likely to get hit by a car and die than I am to get sick from COVID.
they other aspect of things is you get vaccine so the guy selling supplies etc to nursing homes doesnt spread the virus. Its not just about the individual...its about the greater good
No one is laughing. He was clearing up point you made. The article is fairly clear about the risks.
Almost all vaccines could be done this quickly if government actually cooperated. mRNA technology has been around for about 10 years and is used all the time in research. We know how mRNA actually acts in the body. We know exactly how all the ingredients interact in the body. The "breakthrough" is making mRNA stable enough for mass manufacturing and shipping.
South Carolina population was 5.149 million people in 2019
1,046 are hospitalized due to COVID today
261 are in ICU due to COVID
I would bet majority of those have underlying conditions and/or are elderly.
I am sorry if I do not want to put something in my body that was rushed to market when I have been around this virus the entire time, exposed, and never been positive.
I will continue to practice infectious disease control measures and I will continue to stay away from people I know that are high risk.
The same people who refuse to get the vaccine are the exact same people who complain about things being shut down. Amazing.
I stand corrected. Just like you and your Bells Palsy point.
Well I survived the shot haha!! No immediate adverse reactions, no pain in arm, back working like nothing happened. I'll get second shot on or after Jan 6.
Not a chance in hell. I hope for no complications for you.
That's because what's really behind those people's complaints and refusals to comply with public health measures is a refusal to believe that the virus is serious. You can see it with posts in this thread from people who are sure they won't get it, or they're sure they won't get a serious case, or they're sure they won't pass it on to anybody who will have a serious case. If you point out to them that it doesn't matter how serious they think it is, because public health officials are taking it seriously and won't relax the measures they've taken until the pandemic is over, they'll just say those measures are illegitimate because there was no reason to take them in the first place. It's kind of infuriating, but I guess there's a rationality to it (even if the rationale requires them to ignore what the people who've spent their lives studying this stuff say).
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If the Pfizer CEO can wait a while, so can I.
"However, Pfizer's CEO Albert Bourla has not received his own company's vaccine yet. According to a report by CNN, Bourla said that neither he nor other company executives will be cutting the line to get their hands on the jabs first. Bourla was speaking to CNN's Sanjay Gupta when he explained why he wouldn't be one of the first people in the world to get vaccinated against Covid-19.
There are limited doses available as vaccination begins in the US and the health authorities are prioritising the most vulnerable groups and healthcare workers fighting the pandemic from the frontline for the vaccine. Hence, Bourla feels that it would be unfair if he were to cut the queue and get the vaccine first.
Bourla also asserted that he was not a frontline worker; he said that he is 59 years old and in good health -- hence, it would not be appropriate for him to get the vaccine first.
The Pfizer CEO also asked people to trust science and said that this vaccine had been prepared without "cutting corners."
However, the fact that Bourla is not choosing to get vaccinated first has raised eyebrows; for many, this comes across as "something fishy"."
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/so...ovid-19-vaccine-raises-questions-3182408.html
"However, Pfizer's CEO Albert Bourla has not received his own company's vaccine yet. According to a report by CNN, Bourla said that neither he nor other company executives will be cutting the line to get their hands on the jabs first. Bourla was speaking to CNN's Sanjay Gupta when he explained why he wouldn't be one of the first people in the world to get vaccinated against Covid-19.
There are limited doses available as vaccination begins in the US and the health authorities are prioritising the most vulnerable groups and healthcare workers fighting the pandemic from the frontline for the vaccine. Hence, Bourla feels that it would be unfair if he were to cut the queue and get the vaccine first.
Bourla also asserted that he was not a frontline worker; he said that he is 59 years old and in good health -- hence, it would not be appropriate for him to get the vaccine first.
The Pfizer CEO also asked people to trust science and said that this vaccine had been prepared without "cutting corners."
However, the fact that Bourla is not choosing to get vaccinated first has raised eyebrows; for many, this comes across as "something fishy"."
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/so...ovid-19-vaccine-raises-questions-3182408.html
What is there that seems fishy? He sees himself like the rest of the general population and should wait until those who need it first, get the vaccine.
Hey doc, I have a question for you. First, a little background. I am not an anti-vaxxer and I don't think the vaccines are going to be a means of population control. But, I do have a question/concern.
How is the immune response from the vaccine going to be that different from someone who recovers from the virus naturally? I understand the concept of potentially still having a very miniscule viral load in your system after you have recovered. But how would that really be any different than someone who would come into contact with the virus after vaccine inoculation?
Secondly, say someone has recovered from the disease and has (theoretically) antibodies in their system. We are being told they have limited immunity for only 60-90 days and could be able to re-contract the disease. How is the vaccine going to provide longer term immunity that your own natural response? Does this mean we will have lifetime immunity after the second shot?? Or will we have to receive this shot every year like the flu shot??
The only part of this that really scares me is if the federal government will try to mandate a vaccine and will require some proof of immunization to be able to function in every day society going forward. My background is in Biology and Chemical Engineering; so naturally this stuff is fascinating to me.
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This is a good question. My background is nowhere close to biology and chemistry but am curious as to how it protects you longer than actually getting it.
I’ve had lots of family members get it. Both parents in early 60s were fine but they felt miserable for 2 weeks. 87 year old grandmother spent 2 weeks in the hospital and took months to recover fully. They all would tell you while they aren’t part of the tiny percentage that died, they sure as hell wish they hadn’t had it.
In the postmortem of this pandemic years down the road we will look back and see that in large part this was an overreach, not necessarily by public health, but by folks that ONLY listened to public health. These folks played up to the media and/or their constituent base that they were going to follow public health recommendations regardless of their efficacy. There was no balance to say "hold on, the prevention is worse than the disease." There will be studies that show we essentially had a behavioral rebellion.
Public health can study and model some of the most complex diseases, but they almost always fail to take into account behavioral reaction. They models are almost always in a vacuum. To me, that is the fundamental flaw in the way that public health is studied and taught. When I was in grad school for Public Health we had a visiting professor from the CDC that actually showed a recommended policy statement from a state public health (I forget which state) during the HIV epidemic of the 80s that actually proposed outlawing sex unless both partners were married and had negative tests. That would 100% stop HIV and AIDS, but it had no chance of being implemented. We don't have anyone standing up now that says "yeah, that recommendation doesn't pass the laugh test"
What I'm laughing at is that people will believe they're likely to get Bells Palsy because of something they saw on Facebook, but they won't believe the data that shows that the incidence of Bells Palsy among those vaccinated was normal (or, actually, lower than normal). They'll believe that the vaccine is dangerous, but not that COVID-19 is dangerous. It's just weird.
The way I've had the vaccine described to me is that it allows the body to recognize the spike protein and attack just that portion of the cell to prevent the virus from fusing with human cells. Its not trying to get the body to recognize and fight the entire cell. So you could still have the virus all throughout your body, but instead of killing the virus, your body prevents it from doing what it wants to do, which is use the body as a host to build more virus.
This is ultimately why they don't know if a vaccinated person can still transmit.
Most vaccines help the body recognize a dead/weakened virus to build up antibodies...much like a scrimmage game. The mRNA vaccine basically locks the other team in the lockerroom.
I don't know if he uses Celebrex or Viagra either. Doesn't mean that either of them aren't effective and safe drugs....at least for a 4 hour window.
Very good questions and I will try to answer as best as I can from my personal research and knowledge of immunology. The immune responses from vaccination and from that which occurs after getting the virus naturally are similar. In each case the body creates antibodies that provide immunity against reinfection or initial infection in the case of the vaccine. The problem is that in the case of naturally occurring immunity there is a tremendous variation in the level of immunity you might achieve from basically little if any immunity to excellent immunity. The advantage of the vaccine is that, based on the research and clinical trials done to this point, the immunity achieved is excellent almost every time. Like 95% effective. The dosage needed is known, the efficacy is there and at least to this point it has been shown to be safe. So why would one want to risk getting natural immunity from Covid with its unknown level of immunity especially when we know that some of the hosts ( us ) will die or have significant health sequelae AND we might infect some other poor bastard in the process while we are unknowingly sick?
In both the case of natural immunity AND vaccination induced immunity we do not know at this time how long that immunity will last. Just too early to know. Clearly it has been shown that people can get reinfected with Covid so natural immunity has a limited lifespan which I predict will be highly variable based on ones immune response and how much viral load each case was exposed to. The length of immunity with vaccination,I predict, will not be permanent but will be more predictable and we will come to know how often vaccination has to be repeated with more time.
Lastly, I do not think we will ever see the government mandating vaccination against Covid. Just my opinion.
No way of knowing yet if it will protect longer, just that the protection will be more predictable as I mentioned earlier.
Keep doing what you’re doing for influenza as it’s killed millions, mostly old sick people just like this virus does. As it looks now mask wearing and the other nonsense will be around until the end of next year according to Fauci in a recent interview. So be prepared for another fubar year of ruined sports seasons.
They have no intention of admitting all these measures didn’t stop the virus at all. Nor will they publicly admit that deaths from other major causes have all declined - for the first time ever.
Taiwan, Japan and Sweden did none of this nonsense and had very similar numbers on the same time line. But then Yitzak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University studied the time lines of eight different countries with widely varying strategies back in May and reached the same conclusion.
Cal-Berkeley and MIT have both done studies and concluded that the lockdown caused far more harm than the virus. This study came out in September.
My wife and I should be getting it within the next couple of weeks as well. We are both physicians. Hopefully having enough people who actually practice medicine as a profession line up to take the vaccine will convince all the doubters that this is the correct thing to do. It blows my f**king mind that an “anti-vax “ movement even exist.
if the govt ever mandated the vaccine (for airline or mass transit) we could just tattoo the date/time we got the shot on our wrist. it will probably be first week in june when i get mine...like 6/6 at 6pm
or one of those QR codes would look cool (and it could link to all of my medical history).
i am j/k (mostly)
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Man there are some weird people on TI.
I was born in ‘65 and thankfully that generation of parents believed in vaccinations. I guess once someone floated out the possible link to autism, science stopped and fear won out with some people.
How bout this to help control the spread?
Molnupiravir: The Drug That May 'Completely' Stop the Spread of Coronavirus In 24 Hours
In early animal testing, this antiviral drug was found to prevent virus carriers from developing severe symptoms and transmitting the disease.
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