Some actually do. India, for example, has had a far lower IFR for covid and has far less obesity. There are examples of the opposite as well.
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Some actually do. India, for example, has had a far lower IFR for covid and has far less obesity. There are examples of the opposite as well.
Maybe, but these articles make it sound like people of all ages are susceptible. There's nothing in there that says it's more prevalent, or only prevalent, among older people.
Did you expect that people would just stop taking vaccines one day? Getting a yearly shot, or getting a shot every few years, seems a lot easier than what's gone on for the last year or so.
My expectation is that as more people are vaccinated, more of the restrictions will be able to be lifted because there will be less hosts for the virus in the population. Right now, the vaccination level is still too low for it to be effective enough population-wide. While people who've been vaccinated have much more protection than people who haven't been vaccinated, 95% effectiveness isn't as great when you're being exposed to a lot of virus as it is when you're being exposed mostly to others who've been vaccinated.
But you make an interesting point about how you could encourage people to get vaccinated if there was some easing of restrictions promised.
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So let’s do a test then, divide the country, let the folks who want get their vaccines, live in big cities, and see how it goes. The other group, non-vaccine group will be the constant since their preference is none. We can circle back in a couple years and see who has the lower mortality rate. It will be just like an experiment.
I think the doctors on here pushing the vaccine should post their medical license or stop giving advice as a medical professional, because if people get sick or die from things you post, you should be held liable.
Physicians or physicians assistants are no more than a masters degree in medicine. Surgeons and high level PHD and published researchers are the only ones people should listen to. The rest are just drug dealers who rarely identify anything and just shuffle you to a specialist for more study.
To those who want to label me a quack, fine, I just want to open people up to the facts that not everything is as it seems sometimes and it’s worth retraining your brain to work in other ways even if it does not make sense. There are definitely false narratives and I’m imperfect and make mistakes also as I learn more, but trust that God made you to be your own temple, treat your body good and it will defend you, not some greedy corporate nubes who will never meet you or care if you or your family die while they test unproven and relatively unknown products on you. Stay healthy
Look. Being stupid is certainly your right to do so.
Pushing your stupidity onto others is where you are crossing the line.
Swing and a miss.
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Think it helps that the vaccine was pushed out by Trump. I know Kamala said she wasn't taking a vaccine Trump pushed out. That type of division isn't what we need.
If Biden/Harris pushed it out, I think even more people would be suspicious. Not saying that's right at all, but the general public has some weird beliefs.
Just hope people trusts that it works even if it doesn't work perfectly so that we can move on and have football, church, etc
If Biden/Harris pushed it out, I think even more people would be suspicious. Not saying that's right at all, but the general public has some weird beliefs.
Just hope people trusts that it works even if it doesn't work perfectly so that we can move on and have football, church, etc
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It's really bizarre that vaccination has become politicized. It used to be that anti-vaxxers were just a bunch of hippies out west and in Asheville. Now, it's also all the conspiracy theorists who attached themselves to Trump.
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probably just another coincidental death but do we really know??? Another Dr in Miami Fla died 5 days after 2nd shot (the wife of dr is convinced it was the vaccine). How many common every day folks have died that aren’t reported? I know of one in Anderson. I realize people die every single day and they may be all coincidental. But do we really KNOW yet at this time?I’ve read a significant amount of our military has opted out and that has been frustrating to the higher ups. Once it’s mandated (after it receives full FDA approval) they will be forced to take it . But given a choice many of our military are opting out.
probably just another coincidental death but do we really know??? Another Dr in Miami Fla died 5 days after 2nd shot (the wife of dr is convinced it was the vaccine). How many common every day folks have died that aren’t reported? I know of one in Anderson. I realize people die every single day and they may be all coincidental. But do we really KNOW yet at this time?I’ve read a significant amount of our military has opted out and that has been frustrating to the higher ups. Once it’s mandated (after it receives full FDA approval) they will be forced to take it . But given a choice many of our military are opting out.
I got the shot today as my mother-in-law moved in with us and is considered high risk (heart condition) so my wife rode me (and not in the good way) until I finally caved in. Personally, I felt pretty guilty as I feel like there are plenty that should be a priority that probably haven't been able to secure
Here in NJ, they aren't even asking if you're considered high risk, elderly etc. I showed up and was in and out in about 25 minutes.
Only side effect is this fluent mandarin I can now speak but I feel like that might be a bonus under this administration (kidding....sort of)
Here in NJ, they aren't even asking if you're considered high risk, elderly etc. I showed up and was in and out in about 25 minutes.
Only side effect is this fluent mandarin I can now speak but I feel like that might be a bonus under this administration (kidding....sort of)
So because you don't know why he died, you lean more towards it being because of the vaccine?
And because soldiers are not stepping up to take it, means what exactly? That they too aren't being properly informed? Or rather they know the true story behind the vaccine?
The article itself said it was a stroke. The only link to the vaccine was they might have missed the early symptoms of stroke (headache, dizziness) because they are similar to the side effects of receiving the shot.
There just seem to be a lot of “coincidental” deaths and bad reactions in general. My point is I’d rather focus on having a good immune system and take my chances with the virus and build natural immunity/antibodies. You do you. For such a Trump hater you sure are all about the vaccine that he helped get approved at Warp Speed. I’m sure you’ll give him credit and praise if it’s wildly successful seeing as how your not biased at all.
Or the vaccine may have caused a stroke . The Dr in Miami fla also died of a “stroke “ and was by all accounts very healthy.
The rate of strokes in patients who have been vaccinated is so far WAYYY lower than the rate of strokes in unvaccinated patients.
Does that mean the vaccine protects you against strokes?
There aren't alot of coincidences or bad reactions. Anecdotal instances with no actual link.
Trump did a presidential thing. Glad he did that. The rest he did/said regarding Covid was an utter shvt show. That im not grateful for.
My opinion towards the vaccine has nothing to do with Trump.
Still giving medical advice without having posted your medical license? Your opinions can literally lead to death potentially and you continue unabashedly. Hope your malpractice insurance covers your opinions on a message board.
I can give “opinion” cause everyone thinks I’m a loony toon, but you are apparently credible yet won’t post your medical license. If you are claiming to be a physician and give people free advice at least take ownership so they can come after you for making something that is abnormal normal should problems arise.
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I think most of us are just fine using our god given immune systems to fight a virus that has been drastically overblown. I don't think you should force someone to take an experimental treatment like this vaccine. I also don't think we need 100% vaccination to move on with life. Those that want it should get it. Those that don't are within their rights to deny, but please don't label them cooky anti-vaxxers because this isn't even remotely the same situation as someone not wanting to get a polio or measles vaccination because they think it causes autism or something.
We really don't want to enter the disturbing realm of a proof of vaccination being your pass to be allowed normality.
I'm not sure why this is a hard concept for some of you to understand.
Perhaps we should have an armband for those who aren't vaccinated? Would make it easier to identify them.
This is a good example of the way sensational stories are always more memorable and affecting than stories of normal competence. You can tell people all you want that the chance of even a serious adverse event related to COVID vaccination is much lower than the chance of death from COVID in the nation's whole population, but if they hear that one person had a stroke 3 weeks after vaccination, they'll think they've got a good chance of having a stroke after vaccination.
I personally know of two reactions that I would consider bad. Probably not “bad” in the opinion of a doctor or the possible negative outcomes of a vaccine but definitely not anything I want to go through . I don’t have to post links. Just go online there are many articles/ stories on this. It’s only the very beginning we don’t know about it’s ultimate safety. Let me be clear: I am not against this or any other vaccine. Have at it. Everyone should be able to decide what is best for them and their family. It’s not the governments decision. It’s my choice to opt out. Nobody should ever shame or pressure someone to get a vaccine or any other medical procedure that they are not comfortable with. People have different beliefs and opinions. It doesn’t make them a loon or conspiracy quack . I am pretty certain our world views are polar opposite. That doesn’t mean I hate you. Quite the opposite and I’ll bet we’d get along great if we didn’t discuss politics or religion.
If it’s just “your choice” then why are you spouting nonsense everywhere to people attempting to convince them not to get a vaccine? If you truly think it’s just a personal decision, why not shut up about it
Why are you being such a pussy? I’ve only brought up some points, questions, and articles that would give someone pause so they can make a decision for themselves. I’m not trying to “convince” anyone. Maybe I posted because so many people treat those that opt out like they’re a crazy anti-vaccer. Stay out of the thread if you don’t want to read it.
The problem is that when you're talking about a situation that's "not remotely the same situations as someone not wanting to get a polio or measles vaccination because they think it causes autism or something," you're using the same substantial arguments as cooky anti-vaxxers, based on the same kind of reasoning. These vaccines have gone through the same FDA-approval process that all other vaccines have gone through, and have received emergency approval. Claiming that they're likely to kill you, or cause strokes, or any number of things they haven't been associated with, is no different than the people who noticed their kids developing autism soon after being vaccinated, and then decided the vaccines caused autism because of the association. So maybe you don't normally think of yourself as an anti-vaxxer, but you've adopted anti-vaxx rhetoric about these particular vaccines.
There are a few strawmen in here, too. I haven't seen anybody claim "we need 100% vaccination to move on with life." Rather, we're in a situation where very few people have immunity from a virus that has caused a worldwide pandemic, the response to which has greatly affected our lives. The vaccine isn't just about personal protection from the virus, even though it's much safer than simply rolling the dice with your immune system. It's also about the impact on the population as a whole because the ability of the vaccine to slow the spread of the virus. As more people are vaccinated, the more people are 70-95% less likely to be infected with COVID, and therefore the less likely even a vaccinated person's immunity is to be tested. But the fewer people are vaccinated, the more likely even a vaccinated person's immunity is to be tested. That's why it's still important that you be vaccinated even if you think you aren't at much risk from the virus, and it's why people who are tired of dealing with harsh public health measures are bothering to convince others to get vaccinated.
The proportion of the population most think needs to be immunized to get to the point where spread is unlikely is somewhere between 60-80%, not 100%. But if you just mooch off of others' immunity, aren't you also relying on them to be responsible? What if they had your same mindset? Aren't the people getting vaccinated the ones actually doing something to obviate the need for harsh public health measures?
The other thing is there hasn't been any kind of a push to require you to be vaccinated to do basic things. Even vaccines that are required for kids to attend schools aren't actually mandatory for everybody. Maybe large events and other things that haven't been allowed during the pandemic will require proof of vaccination for attendance for a little while. I don't know for sure, but I'd rather have to do that than just not have any of those events. But statutory requirement of COVID vaccination hasn't been much of a topic of discussion, even if it's a good idea that as many people as possible get vaccinated as quickly as possible.
Also, is "experimental treatment" a technical term for a vaccine that's gotten an EUA? Or is there some other reason multiple are using that phrase? Because the efficacy and safety of vaccines that have an EUA have been proved in Phase 3 trials. Maybe there's some technical reason for using the phrase, but I'm guessing it's being used here to make people think they're part of an experiment involving an unproven treatment.
TL, DR: We're not going to be done with this until enough people get vaccinated, so you're going to get some grief from people if you tell them you're going to refuse to get vaccinated.
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I don’t think anyone is alleging that if you get the vaccine “you’re likely to get a stroke” etc. Those are your words and are a exaggeration. There were some examples given of folks who received the vaccine and then suffered a stroke. I even said that they may be coincidental. That’s far from “likely to suffer....”.
I also “roll the dice” with the flu vaccine as I don’t get it. I’ve had the flu one in about 15 years. It’s not because I’m a crazy anti-vaxxer but simply because I’d rather not get the vaccine every year. I’d rather have the flu once a decade.
If people decide to give me grief for that then so be it. I hope I’ll be able to sleep at night.
Wife & I are getting our 2nd shots tomorrow (Friday) afternoon. I am 83 (class of 1964). Live in SC but near Augusta, GA, where we will get shots.
Point taken. Proof will be difficult for sure. There are nations that will soon institute a vaccine "passport" but I don't see that flying in the US.
I'm sure there will be private institutions that institute requirements such as medical reports with titers (similar to what Clemson and other universities/jobs require). There is a CDC authored card that everyone gets when they are vaccinated, which may be a good starting point.
Stay home 2 weeks and flatten the curve it’s so dangerous. I have not seen people flipping in the street have you? Literally just falling out like the videos and footage from Wuhan they used to force us into our homes for 2 weeks, months, 6 months, a year in some places. In SC we were lucky. Let’s not use fear as a vaccine excuse when fear mongering is why we are here today. All we are saying is it’s not necessary, your body was built to fight viruses and be 1000% sure you want to take a risky, experimental treatment. This isn’t using fear it’s using common sense and critical reasoning.
A- most of us can fight a virus, some won’t make it, fact of life.
B- fear was used to rush this to market even when safe treatments were brought up (see HCQ, now approved by CDC) ivermectin and other treatments, but #1 is healthy body.
C- they have conditioned people to think the only way to get out of this FEAR state is by welcoming a relatively unknown vaccine.
D- we see adverse affects, many of which go unreported, chalked up to body adjustments to the vaccine.
E- studies on mRNA are questionable at best
All these things add up to what some are touting as a “great idea”, “only way to get to full stadiums”, “need to save our grandparents, protect others”.
why if this is such a great idea do vaccinated people still have to wear a mask? But a-symptomatic can still spread... what... so then what’s the point of the vaccine? Aren’t vaccinated people or people that have had the virus still able to spread low levels or shedding? At what levels are we no longer contagious? Wait... so you wanna take my temp to come into your business? Ok fine no fever means not contagious, right? Well why do you insist I wear a mask if I just proved I’m not contagious? Oh you don’t want other patrons scared? Well crap, why’d I get the vaccine then?
STOP ASKING SO MANY Q’s. You are making my head spin and you sound crazy, why can’t you just agree with Fauci and get vaccinated? I can tell you why, no one has proven to me that my body cant do the job, and no one not profiting from the vaccine is really saying it’s a good idea.
but hey what does it matter, everyone else will be safer, just do it... no i would rather grow old and watch my family grow than knee jerk after being locked down, just to get back to “normal”
this is not normal behavior, it stems from fear and I’m calling it out. Every day above ground is a blessing, but fearing death leads to irrational decisions, irrational decisions usually end with poor outcomes. It would be a lot easier if I could stick my head in the sand and line up, I’m just not built that way. I know in my soul this virus and vaccine are the work of nefarious actors, and if I have caused 1 person to pause and look harder at what’s going into your body, I did my job.
For every yin there is a yang. I know most of you just need to justify you aren’t screwing your body up, so easier to attack the concerned person, who doesn’t want you to put some foreign substance into your body in lieu of allowing your body to do what it was designed to do. You are literally fighting me over telling people there is not enough “science” to put this vaccine in their body. Wow, some people just can’t get out of their own way.
