That would be great.
So we can agree that there should be no reference or allusions to skin color? Can we agree that is not a good way to classify people?
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So we can agree that there should be no reference or allusions to skin color? Can we agree that is not a good way to classify people?
I agree that there should be no discrimination in hiring practices yes. We are going to disagree on some other stuff, and we'll just have to agree to disagree, and don't really feel like arguing about it on the internet lol
It just seems so interesting to me that people can't come right out and say "There should be no discrimination based on skin color." Period. End of story. No ifs ands or buts.
Tells me we have a long way to go.
So my thing is I don't think people should discriminate, agreed. But I am also not going to act as if people do not. I also don't think acknowledging that people are different is discrimination and think you use the term discrimination on occasion when it is really discerning a difference. For a ridiculous example, having a Clemson Club at my work where people who are Clemson alumni wouldn't be discriminating on its own (unless it could be proven managers were only hiring from club members, etc etc). It would just be a discernable difference between people, and those people may get together based on that common interest. Similarly, we have multiple resource groups at my work for multiple things, and being a white straight male, I've never felt discriminated against, still support those groups when they have events, am happy they feel more accepted and supported by my company, etc.
Your argument or analagy about a Clemson club misses the point. It's against federal law to discriminate on the basis of race. Its not against the law to discriminate based on your alumni status.
"It is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race." And that includes any special carve out that a particular group wants. Illegal means illegal.
Correct. I still disagree with how you are using discrimination. Having a resource group is not "unjust or prejudicial treatment". That is my point. But like I said, we'll just agree to disagree.
It’s difficult to quantify the extent to which Asian students are discriminated against when they’re over represented anyway.
Tossing out some hypotheticals, you could have many Asian kids with 4.0s, perfect SATs get rejected while the school admits Asians at a much higher rate than any other ethnic group. (I assume this is actually the case, but I don’t have concrete support for it). The over representation is even more clear when you toss out athletes out Ivy League schools, which is not a small chunk of their student bodies
I think the idea that a school has to accept every 4.0 student before any 3.99 student is ridiculous; the schools should be able to make their own decisions apart from that sort of thing.
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Agreed, I also think it feels like cherry-picking to prove preconceived feelings.
To be blunt, there are a lot of butthurt Asian parents that refuse to accept anything but test scores and high school grades as guides for admission. A lot of people cheering for racial fairness in college admissions are themselves motivated by racial considerations, and they know it. And the same people who don't want anything but test scores and grades to matter will again be the first to complain when their kid with a 3.99 is automatically rejected in favor of a 4.0 kid.
It was proven in a court of law. That requires a lot more than cherry-picking and other excuses.
I agree that Asian people have been discriminated against. I think that's separate from the question: Is the college admissions process unfairly biased against Asians in a collective sense? My answer there is no, it isn't. I'm very willing to defend the position that a white kid with a 3.9 could be admitted before an Asian kid with a 4.0. Do you think that's automatically unfair?
The colleges won't consider race explicitly, but they'll find a proxy that approximates what they've been doing.
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It is illegal to find a proxy. If they do, they will face expensive lawsuits. But they have large endowments so maybe that's what they will choose to spend it on, idk.
I do not think that gpa should be the sole determining factor on college admissions. What i am saying, is that race should not be a consideration. At all.
I appreciate that you are attempting to truly discuss the issue. Can I ask what makes this issue so important to you? Do you have a personal experience with being discriminated against?
