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Dems, please tell me why you support democrats.

I had a long post typed out that got deleted unfortunately so here are some quick bullet points. Obviously there is way more detail involved but here's the short story:

-Grew up in a dyed in the wool conservative household.
-Disgusted by Trump in 2015/2016 but still conservative
-Became Catholic ~2018/2019, that really started changing my worldview.
 
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Here's my reasoning between voting for the two parties as I currently see them. I dislike the financial inefficiencies I see in government driven by both parties. I dislike the policy and legislation bias toward the richer individuals and corporations by republicans at the expense of the workers and environment. I dislike the economic pandering to the voters by the Democrats.

So, while I find fault with both parties, when comparing the policies and doctrine of the two, one is clearly more of a danger to democracy, freedom, and to the American way of life. The fallacies of the Dems are easily mitigated and corrected by laws of economics. But the current insidious nature of the GOP party around control of people's lives, the blatant propaganda, lies, and moral hypocrisy sincerely worry me about the future of the country. And though I had for the most part leaned republican since I was old enough to vote, I don't see me doing so in the near future. The inmates are running the GOP asylum.
Here, here!

Recent polling has shown that 70% of Republicans STILL believe the election was stolen
Another recent poll shows that 70% of them trust Donald Trump more than their own family
The majority of them are still fervent Trumpers after knowing he tried to overturn our democracy

The real question should be how anyone with an ounce of integrity could support such a party.
They have abdicated their right to be in power IMO
 
Here, here!

Recent polling has shown that 70% of Republicans STILL believe the election was stolen
Another recent poll shows that 70% of them trust Donald Trump more than their own family
The majority of them are still fervent Trumpers after knowing he tried to overturn our democracy

The real question should be how anyone with an ounce of integrity could support such a party.
They have abdicated their right to be in power IMO
It's higher than that as a lot of followers believe it but are afraid to say it. More than 50 percent of dems believe it too. I have some dem friends that believe it was stolen and laugh about it. They condone it due to whatever it takes to stop Trump.
 
It's higher than that as a lot of followers believe it but are afraid to say it. More than 50 percent of dems believe it too. I have some dem friends that believe it was stolen and laugh about it. They condone it due to whatever it takes to stop Trump.
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Nobody supports slavery try not to be such a clown.
I had a long post typed out that got deleted unfortunately so here are some quick bullet points. Obviously there is way more detail involved but here's the short story:

-Grew up in a dyed in the wool conservative household.
-Disgusted by Trump in 2015/2016 but still conservative
-Became Catholic ~2018/2019, that really started changing my worldview.
-2020 sealed the deal for me being a lifelong democrat voter. Covid denialism, election denialism, racism trying to overturn a free and fair election, quasi-fascism were all very repugnant to me. Last couple years have only cemented it.
-Basically it has come down to the Democrats wanting a functioning and civil society where people can access public goods and have dignified, decent lives while the GOP wants to tear that down, have individuals looking at one another with fear and mistrust and hatred, and loot public goods for the benefit of a rich few. I don't agree with the Dems on some things (abortion, but also don't trust the GOP's post-Roe/Dobbs policies) and don't like corporate third way Clintonite Dems, but it is a big tent party where my beliefs align the most and there is no viable alternative.

You and I live in separate realities.

Hope you can find the unicorn
 
slavery is a judeo/christian principle
Strange, most current slavery does not exist in those environments. China, African Nations, Muslim nations, etc generally don't fall into that category.

Of course, liberals don't really care about people who are being enslaved today- only those enslaved by white American men 150+ yrs ago.
 
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Why am I, a previous longtime Republican, now supporting the Democrats?

1) Democracy - it matters. The press is not the enemy. People with different opinions are not the enemy. Voting should be encouraged in any format ... mail, in person, whatever. Early voting is fine, too. If you restrict voting to one day, military members outside of the country lose their votes.

2) Getting the job done - We constantly heard about Infrastructure Week coming up in the Trump administration. It never did. Biden passed a major and much needed infrastructure bill in his first year. God knows our roads and airports need updating. We need high-speed internet everywhere. The bill is so attractive, conservative Republicans who voted against it are going to ribbon cuttings in their districts/states when new projects are started.

3) Personal freedoms. I lean prolife but no law should be passed that eliminates a woman's right to end a pregnancy due to rape or incest. And that was tried again and again. And, back to democracy, in Ohio the Republicans tried to change how many votes it would take to amend the Constitution (from a simple majority to 60%) all because it feared passage of a state constitutional amendment securing abortion rights.

4) Limited government is a buzz word for Republicans that is not part of their reality. Gov. DeSantis is the worst violator of that. He wants his government to step in to corporate decisions. He wants to support book banning. Trump himself is now on record saying that parents should elect school principals. Imagine what a mess that would be.

5) Science. Republicans believe climate change is a hoax (example: Ramaswamy and Trump). Believe business when it says we should be concerned about climate change. Insurance companies are in business to make profits. If insurance companies are running away from potential business because the risk of loss is too high, there is a problem that needs addressing. Climate change is such a problem.

This is a partial list by the way.
 
Why am I, a previous longtime Republican, now supporting the Democrats?

1) Democracy - it matters. The press is not the enemy. People with different opinions are not the enemy. Voting should be encouraged in any format ... mail, in person, whatever. Early voting is fine, too. If you restrict voting to one day, military members outside of the country lose their votes.

2) Getting the job done - We constantly heard about Infrastructure Week coming up in the Trump administration. It never did. Biden passed a major and much needed infrastructure bill in his first year. God knows our roads and airports need updating. We need high-speed internet everywhere. The bill is so attractive, conservative Republicans who voted against it are going to ribbon cuttings in their districts/states when new projects are started.

3) Personal freedoms. I lean prolife but no law should be passed that eliminates a woman's right to end a pregnancy due to rape or incest. And that was tried again and again. And, back to democracy, in Ohio the Republicans tried to change how many votes it would take to amend the Constitution (from a simple majority to 60%) all because it feared passage of a state constitutional amendment securing abortion rights.

4) Limited government is a buzz word for Republicans that is not part of their reality. Gov. DeSantis is the worst violator of that. He wants his government to step in to corporate decisions. He wants to support book banning. Trump himself is now on record saying that parents should elect school principals. Imagine what a mess that would be.

5) Science. Republicans believe climate change is a hoax (example: Ramaswamy and Trump). Believe business when it says we should be concerned about climate change. Insurance companies are in business to make profits. If insurance companies are running away from potential business because the risk of loss is too high, there is a problem that needs addressing. Climate change is such a problem.

This is a partial list by the way.
1) the press is the enemy. The Mockingbird media, read about it. 9 out of 10 stories in the Washington Post and New York Times is paid for / influenced by the deep state.

2) "inflation reduction act" yet inflation is still higher than when Biden took office. And inflation steals from everyone except the very, very, upper class.

3) Personal Freedoms - Democrats colluded with big tech to restrict your speech. Democrats tried to enforce Vaccine passports. I generally support womens right to abortion, however, you are still taking another Human life and I just can't get that worked up about it. The babies need a voice defending them also and abortion should not be a method of contraception. States rights is the correct answer on this issue.

4) Desantis "supports" book banning. Which book is banned? Oh yeah, not one book is banned. That is an MSDNC talking point. What you mean is you want perverted books accessible to school children.

5) Climate change is a hoax. NONE of the bullshit you were told as a child came true. You have people flying around in personal jets that will expel more carbon dioxide in one flight than you will in your whole life, and they are telling you that climate change is a problem. GTFO. Climate change is a huge scam. Of course the climate changes and humans have adapted since the begining of time.

I'll never support the democrats. I believe that you are the best steward of your money and that the politicians in DC are as dishonest as the day is long. So many politicians that come into office with NOTHING and leave as Multi-millionaires when they are supposed to be working for WE THE PEOPLE.
 
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1) the press is the enemy. The Mockingbird media, read about it. 9 out of 10 stories in the Washington Post and New York Times is paid for / influenced by the deep state.

2) "inflation reduction act" yet inflation is still higher than when Biden took office. And inflation steal from everyone except the very, very, upper class.

3) Personal Freedoms - Democrats colluded with big tech to restrict your speech. Democrats tried to enforce Vaccine passports. I generally support womens right to abortion, however, you are still taking another Human life and I just can't get that worked up about it. The babies need a voice defending them also and abortion should not be a method of contraception. States rights is the correct answer on this issue.

4) Desantis "supports" book banning. Which book is banned? Oh yeah, not one book is banned. That is an MSDNC talking point. What you mean is you want perverted books accessible to school children.

5) Climate change is a hoax. NONE of the bullshit you were told as a child came true. You have people flying around in personal jets that will expel more carbon dioxide in one flight than you will in your whole life, and they are telling you that climate change is a problem. GTFO. Climate change is a huge scam. Of course the climate changes and humans have adapted since the begining of time.

I'll never support the democrats. I believe that you are the best steward of your money and that the politicians in DC are as dishonest as the day is long. So many politicians that come into office with NOTHING and leave as Multi-millionaires when they are supposed to be working for WE THE PEOPLE.
This is what Joe Biden calls “Malarkey.”

The deep state. There is none. I work in Washington. I have worked on Capitol Hill and for a federal agency. There is no organized effort to undermine policy making. And you don’t even try to prove your point by citing articles. In fact, I bet you don’t subscribe to either the Post or the Times (I do.)

Inflation is lower now than at its peak. And it is lower in the U.S. than in other developed nations. We’ve made progress. But I don’t want to confuse you with the facts.

As for climate change being a hoax, I suggest you start a P&C insurance company and start serving people in Florida and California at low rates. You will have lots of customers. Of course you will soon go bankrupt because climate change isn’t a hoax and your liabilities will far exceed your assets. If you believe in business, you have to believe in climate change because business is leading the way to try to address it. (Even oil companies!)
 
1) the press is the enemy. The Mockingbird media, read about it. 9 out of 10 stories in the Washington Post and New York Times is paid for / influenced by the deep state.

2) "inflation reduction act" yet inflation is still higher than when Biden took office. And inflation steals from everyone except the very, very, upper class.

3) Personal Freedoms - Democrats colluded with big tech to restrict your speech. Democrats tried to enforce Vaccine passports. I generally support womens right to abortion, however, you are still taking another Human life and I just can't get that worked up about it. The babies need a voice defending them also and abortion should not be a method of contraception. States rights is the correct answer on this issue.

4) Desantis "supports" book banning. Which book is banned? Oh yeah, not one book is banned. That is an MSDNC talking point. What you mean is you want perverted books accessible to school children.

5) Climate change is a hoax. NONE of the bullshit you were told as a child came true. You have people flying around in personal jets that will expel more carbon dioxide in one flight than you will in your whole life, and they are telling you that climate change is a problem. GTFO. Climate change is a huge scam. Of course the climate changes and humans have adapted since the begining of time.

I'll never support the democrats. I believe that you are the best steward of your money and that the politicians in DC are as dishonest as the day is long. So many politicians that come into office with NOTHING and leave as Multi-millionaires when they are supposed to be working for WE THE PEOPLE.
Is the title of this post "Tell me some bullshit about why you DON'T support Democrats?" Only the board dummies believe the things you've said here so you're not changing any minds.

And as far as climate change goes, you're just continuing the obnoxious bow to the oil industry that was supercharged when Reagan took power and now red states are killing off their own citizens by their denialism.

 
This is what the Dems support… open borders, unenforced laws, energy dependence from foreign companies, loan forgiveness, reparations, LGQBT+, BLM, CRT indoctrination in schools, USA becoming s as secular country.
nope, not true. THat is what fox news and trum tell you democrats supports.
 
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I don’t care why. I will do my best to try and remain impartial.

I just want liberal thoughts on why they vote the way that they do.
At the end of the day, if you are starving, a democrat will try to help you, while a republican will watch you starve and feed you a lecture as you lay dying.
 
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I view it as democracy vs fascism. Biden’s a weak candidate, but he's a weak candidate by the standards of normal political times. Trump, on the other hand, is the most dangerous candidate in U.S. history.

So yeah, it's 2 bad candidates, but they're not both equally bad.
Some of the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Biden is a demented kid sniffing puppet that took money from foreign nations for political pull. Say what you will about the GOP, but at least they're not advocating for cutting off your kids genitals. I hate both parties...with a passion of a 1000 suns. They are all sold out to global corporations. There is only a handful of GOP people I like (Massie, R. Paul, Gaetz, Jim Jordan, etc). The only time I agree with the commie left is when they are anti-war and it's usually the squad, strangely.

Also, this democracy crap is f-ing tarded. We're a constitutional republic. Our founders knew history...the Greek democracy didn't last long. And everyone is bashing Trump as the anti-Christ. Trust me...and trust me...I don't agree with everything the man did and promoted. He hired some real dumb fockers. However, he is night and day better than the demented puppet kid sniffer. Trump isn't sold out to Global corporations. He's not trying to start WWIII with a nuclear county. I hope and believe he learned his lesson and gets better people in his cabinet and destroys the Globalist C*nts in our country.

So take your 8th jab and put on your mask and put the Ukraine flag in your profile. Most of y'all are Motherfocking Sheeple. Hate speech! Trans black kids! BLM! A threat to democracy! Take your jab, because it makes my jab better! Castrate your children! Co2 is the devil! Fock 90% of our elected sold out c*nt corporate puppets. And fock the kid sniffing demented puppet in charge with a broom sideways with no lube.
 
If you can't take the heat, stay out the damn kitchen
The Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Endowed by their creator is pretty consistent with Judaeo/Christian values. And also, what awesome words that put a tear in my eye.
 
This is what Joe Biden calls “Malarkey.”

The deep state. There is none. I work in Washington. I have worked on Capitol Hill and for a federal agency. There is no organized effort to undermine policy making. And you don’t even try to prove your point by citing articles. In fact, I bet you don’t subscribe to either the Post or the Times (I do.)

Inflation is lower now than at its peak. And it is lower in the U.S. than in other developed nations. We’ve made progress. But I don’t want to confuse you with the facts.

As for climate change being a hoax, I suggest you start a P&C insurance company and start serving people in Florida and California at low rates. You will have lots of customers. Of course you will soon go bankrupt because climate change isn’t a hoax and your liabilities will far exceed your assets. If you believe in business, you have to believe in climate change because business is leading the way to try to address it. (Even oil companies!)

If you dont think there is a deep state you are blind. Maybe it's because you work in DC idk. Who cooked up the Russian Collusion coup? 51 career intelligence agents knowingly signed a fake letter. They impeached Trump over phone calls produced by the deep state. Joe Biden is CLEARLY not in charge of making decisions so just who is? The Deep state. Good article in the LA Times today about project 2025 and Trumps plans to demolish the deep state (that doesn't exist according to you).

Inflation is lower now than at its peak, but still well above the state goal of the Federal Reserves 2% and still much higher than when Sleepy Joe took office. Inflation steals from you and me while enriching Bezos, Gates, Musk et al.

Climate change. So insurance is expensive, yet no one is selling their waterfront homes are they? No water front homes have lost their value. In fact, they are still the most expensive properties out there. So, no i don't buy your insurance explanation. Maybe they need to do better math or risk management so they don't lose money but that has nothing to do with if the climate will change or not. Of course it will change. The questions is how will we adapt? And it you haven't noticed now we have nations building entire islands in the middle of the ocean so I think we will be able to defend properties from rising sea levels rather easily.

Climate change is not an existential crises. Its not a crises at all. It is a ploy to take from the taxpayer and funnel money to where the Government wants it. Climate change should be swapped out for environmentalism. Be a good steward of the environment but don't be a fool who falls for the "icebergs are going to melt in 5 years" crowd. Every prediction the "crises" crowd has pushed has turned out to be FALSE FALSE FALSE. Stop listening to them. What other profession to you get to be so wrong yet still get paid?

No Malarkey.
 
Some of the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Biden is a demented kid sniffing puppet that took money from foreign nations for political pull. Say what you will about the GOP, but at least they're not advocating for cutting off your kids genitals. I hate both parties...with a passion of a 1000 suns. They are all sold out to global corporations. There is only a handful of GOP people I like (Massie, R. Paul, Gaetz, Jim Jordan, etc). The only time I agree with the commie left is when they are anti-war and it's usually the squad, strangely.

Also, this democracy crap is f-ing tarded. We're a constitutional republic. Our founders knew history...the Greek democracy didn't last long. And everyone is bashing Trump as the anti-Christ. Trust me...and trust me...I don't agree with everything the man did and promoted. He hired some real dumb fockers. However, he is night and day better than the demented puppet kid sniffer. Trump isn't sold out to Global corporations. He's not trying to start WWIII with a nuclear county. I hope and believe he learned his lesson and gets better people in his cabinet and destroys the Globalist C*nts in our country.

So take your 8th jab and put on your mask and put the Ukraine flag in your profile. Most of y'all are Motherfocking Sheeple. Hate speech! Trans black kids! BLM! A threat to democracy! Take your jab, because it makes my jab better! Castrate your children! Co2 is the devil! Fock 90% of our elected sold out c*nt corporate puppets. And fock the kid sniffing demented puppet in charge with a broom sideways with no lube.
But isn't Gaetz a suspected pedo??? And wasn't Jordan suspected in some sexual abuse coverup while at OSU
 
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1) the press is the enemy. The Mockingbird media, read about it. 9 out of 10 stories in the Washington Post and New York Times is paid for / influenced by the deep state.

2) "inflation reduction act" yet inflation is still higher than when Biden took office. And inflation steals from everyone except the very, very, upper class.

3) Personal Freedoms - Democrats colluded with big tech to restrict your speech. Democrats tried to enforce Vaccine passports. I generally support womens right to abortion, however, you are still taking another Human life and I just can't get that worked up about it. The babies need a voice defending them also and abortion should not be a method of contraception. States rights is the correct answer on this issue.

4) Desantis "supports" book banning. Which book is banned? Oh yeah, not one book is banned. That is an MSDNC talking point. What you mean is you want perverted books accessible to school children.

5) Climate change is a hoax. NONE of the bullshit you were told as a child came true. You have people flying around in personal jets that will expel more carbon dioxide in one flight than you will in your whole life, and they are telling you that climate change is a problem. GTFO. Climate change is a huge scam. Of course the climate changes and humans have adapted since the begining of time.

I'll never support the democrats. I believe that you are the best steward of your money and that the politicians in DC are as dishonest as the day is long. So many politicians that come into office with NOTHING and leave as Multi-millionaires when they are supposed to be working for WE THE PEOPLE.
Absolutely delusional lol holy smokes
 
Excellent well thought out response.
Where did you get your degree in climate science from? That’s to say, you make big claims about it. Why should I believe you?

The Earth is indeed getting warmer. The greenhouse effect has been offered as a theory to explain that. There’s good reason to believe human activity has contributed to a greenhouse. This may or may not be true, but regardless, you should back up what you say instead of shouting at the sky.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that it isn’t fair to expect your average person to go out and buy a hybrid or to shame someone for keeping the heat on in the winter while John Kerry flies around on a jet. When you go way beyond that into crazy land, it only hurts you
 
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Where did you get your degree in climate science from? That’s to say, you make big claims about it. Why should I believe you?

The Earth is indeed getting warmer. The greenhouse effect has been offered as a theory to explain that. There’s good reason to believe human activity has contributed to a greenhouse. This may or may not be true, but regardless, you should back up what you say instead of shouting at the sky.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that it isn’t fair to expect your average person to go out and buy a hybrid or to shame someone for keeping the heat on in the winter while John Kerry flies around on a jet. When you go way beyond that into crazy land, it only hurts you
1600 scientists including 2 Nobel prize winners just came out saying it’s a scam. It’s not just me buddy.

Alas, we don’t even need them. Just use your own experience and ask yourself has anything the climate “experts” have predicted d come true?

Polar ice caps melt? Nope. Ozone layer dissappear? Nope. Has the earth warmed? Not by any significant measure if at all.

Don’t listen to me, listen to Al Gore, Greta and all the other crazies making incorrect predictions designed to scare you.

 
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1600 scientists including 2 Nobel prize winners just came out saying it’s a scam. It’s not just me buddy.

Alas, we don’t even need them. Just use your own experience and ask yourself has anything the climate “experts” have predicted d come true?

Polar ice caps melt? Nope. Ozone layer dissappear? Nope. Has the earth warmed? Not by any significant measure if at all.

Don’t listen to me, listen to Al Gore, Greta and all the other crazies making incorrect predictions designed to scare you.

Yeah well, we've seen these reports before, only to find out they weren't climatologists and many weren't even scientists and I suspect we'll find out the same about this claim. But keep on believing disreputable justthefakenews.

"Investigations show that practically none of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are climate scientists.

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok.

Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.

One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.

According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots."


 
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If you dont think there is a deep state you are blind. Maybe it's because you work in DC idk. Who cooked up the Russian Collusion coup? 51 career intelligence agents knowingly signed a fake letter. They impeached Trump over phone calls produced by the deep state. Joe Biden is CLEARLY not in charge of making decisions so just who is? The Deep state. Good article in the LA Times today about project 2025 and Trumps plans to demolish the deep state (that doesn't exist according to you).

Inflation is lower now than at its peak, but still well above the state goal of the Federal Reserves 2% and still much higher than when Sleepy Joe took office. Inflation steals from you and me while enriching Bezos, Gates, Musk et al.

Climate change. So insurance is expensive, yet no one is selling their waterfront homes are they? No water front homes have lost their value. In fact, they are still the most expensive properties out there. So, no i don't buy your insurance explanation. Maybe they need to do better math or risk management so they don't lose money but that has nothing to do with if the climate will change or not. Of course it will change. The questions is how will we adapt? And it you haven't noticed now we have nations building entire islands in the middle of the ocean so I think we will be able to defend properties from rising sea levels rather easily.

Climate change is not an existential crises. Its not a crises at all. It is a ploy to take from the taxpayer and funnel money to where the Government wants it. Climate change should be swapped out for environmentalism. Be a good steward of the environment but don't be a fool who falls for the "icebergs are going to melt in 5 years" crowd. Every prediction the "crises" crowd has pushed has turned out to be FALSE FALSE FALSE. Stop listening to them. What other profession to you get to be so wrong yet still get paid?

No Malarkey.
You are a remarkably stupid individual
 
Sleepy says climate change caused the hurricane and we need more money. 🙄

Were there ever hurricanes before the Industrial Revolution?


 
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