Dems, please tell me why you support democrats.

[CUTiger1977]

 

[dbjork6317]

1600 scientists including 2 Nobel prize winners just came out saying it’s a scam. It’s not just me buddy.

Alas, we don’t even need them. Just use your own experience and ask yourself has anything the climate “experts” have predicted d come true?

Polar ice caps melt? Nope. Ozone layer dissappear? Nope. Has the earth warmed? Not by any significant measure if at all.

Don’t listen to me, listen to Al Gore, Greta and all the other crazies making incorrect predictions designed to scare you.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Lol what? The polar ice caps are literally melting. The Earth has absolutely warmed.

The question isn’t is climate change real, or have humans contributed to it, that’s an indisputable fact. The question is what to do about it and the longer you weirdo anti-science post-truthers keep making these stupid arguments the further behind the US will be in terms of adjusting its infrastructure and preparing for the issues to come - i.e. extreme temperatures, wildfires increasing in number and severity, and climate migration.

 

[OleFastball]

Lol what? The polar ice caps are literally melting. The Earth has absolutely warmed.

The question isn’t is climate change real, or have humans contributed to it, that’s an indisputable fact. The question is what to do about it and the longer you weirdo anti-science post-truthers keep making these stupid arguments the further behind the US will be in terms of adjusting its infrastructure and preparing for the issues to come - i.e. extreme temperatures, wildfires increasing in number and severity, and climate migration.

It’s a very disputable “fact”

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

1600 scientists including 2 Nobel prize winners just came out saying it’s a scam. It’s not just me buddy.

Alas, we don’t even need them. Just use your own experience and ask yourself has anything the climate “experts” have predicted d come true?

Polar ice caps melt? Nope. Ozone layer dissappear? Nope. Has the earth warmed? Not by any significant measure if at all.

Don’t listen to me, listen to Al Gore, Greta and all the other crazies making incorrect predictions designed to scare you.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

The ozone layer did disappear. It regenerated after a batch of regulations against CFCs.

The Earth is on average getting warmer, and the oceans are becoming more acidic. The first point is conceded on page 3 of the document you're referencing. The second point is an immediate consequence of heightened levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, also conceded on page 3 of the document.

The "CO2 is plant food, so more CO2 in the atmosphere is good because it will make more trees" argument is a gross simplification and fallacious as stated. It assumes CO2 is the limiting factor behind more trees sprouting up (possible, but in need of justification). It also ignores ocean acidification. More acidity means less retained oxygen. We don't know how phytoplankton will adjust to more acidic conditions. They produce more oxygen than trees.

What's hilarious to me is that you act as if I'm a lemming, but you gulp down crap like, "More CO2 in the atmosphere is beneficial" without the slightest hint of opposition. That's an absolutely massive claim that you eat up like dessert because it suits what you want to hear (and what the oil lobby wants you to believe).

Now, the declaration you reference does make the point that, "climate policy must... respect economic reality." This point is legitimate, and I wish more people would make it. That being said, you're not doing yourself any favors.

 

[dbjork6317]

The ozone layer did disappear. It regenerated after a batch of regulations against CFCs.

The Earth is on average getting warmer, and the oceans are becoming more acidic. The first point is conceded on page 3 of the document you're referencing. The second point is an immediate consequence of heightened levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, also conceded on page 3 of the document.

The "CO2 is plant food, so more CO2 in the atmosphere is good because it will make more trees" argument is a gross simplification and fallacious as stated. It assumes CO2 is the limiting factor behind more trees sprouting up (possible, but in need of justification). It also ignores ocean acidification. More acidity means less retained oxygen. We don't know how phytoplankton will adjust to more acidic conditions. They produce more oxygen than trees.

What's hilarious to me is that you act as if I'm a lemming, but you gulp down crap like, "More CO2 in the atmosphere is beneficial" without the slightest hint of opposition. That's an absolutely massive claim that you eat up like dessert because it suits what you want to hear (and what the oil lobby wants you to believe).

Now, the declaration you reference does make the point that, "climate policy must... respect economic reality." This point is legitimate, and I wish more people would make it. That being said, you're not doing yourself any favors.

I don’t really get why politicians can’t grasp that investing in climate science can be good for the economy. America badly needs infrastructure investments, one of the very few things I 100% agreed with Trump on. Combining infrastructure rejuvenation with green initiatives will create jobs, create new career paths, and create opportunities for people whose jobs are currently going away as a result of AI, climate change, and other long term obstacles for blue collar workers.

we don’t have to be constantly giving blowjobs to oil companies in order to have a strong economy.

 

[AugTig]

I don’t really get why politicians can’t grasp that investing in climate science can be good for the economy. America badly needs infrastructure investments, one of the very few things I 100% agreed with Trump on. Combining infrastructure rejuvenation with green initiatives will create jobs, create new career paths, and create opportunities for people whose jobs are currently going away as a result of AI, climate change, and other long term obstacles for blue collar workers.

we don’t have to be constantly giving blowjobs to oil companies in order to have a strong economy.

Climate change is a money/ power grab . The climate is always changing and we have done a heck of a lot more than other countries in making it better.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

Climate change is a money/ power grab . The climate is always changing and we have done a heck of a lot more than other countries in making it better.

So is pumping out more oil a money grab for oil companies lol?

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

I don’t really get why politicians can’t grasp that investing in climate science can be good for the economy. America badly needs infrastructure investments, one of the very few things I 100% agreed with Trump on. Combining infrastructure rejuvenation with green initiatives will create jobs, create new career paths, and create opportunities for people whose jobs are currently going away as a result of AI, climate change, and other long term obstacles for blue collar workers.

we don’t have to be constantly giving blowjobs to oil companies in order to have a strong economy.

One party prides itself on being anti-intellectual, rejects the notion that there is a problem to begin with, and is fundamentally committed to hamstringing the federal government and then running on the idea that it doesn't work.

 

[AugTig]

So is pumping out more oil a money grab for oil companies lol?

So is pumping out more oil a money grab for oil companies lol?

Right over your head. Expected since it’s likely buried deep in the sand.

 

[OleFastball]

Nm

So is pumping out more oil a money grab for oil companies lol?

no it’s supplying demand.

If more oil is needed, the oil companies produce more.

 

[TigerPT3]

Here's my reasoning between voting for the two parties as I currently see them. I dislike the financial inefficiencies I see in government driven by both parties. I dislike the policy and legislation bias toward the richer individuals and corporations by republicans at the expense of the workers and environment. I dislike the economic pandering to the voters by the Democrats.

So, while I find fault with both parties, when comparing the policies and doctrine of the two, one is clearly more of a danger to democracy, freedom, and to the American way of life. The fallacies of the Dems are easily mitigated and corrected by laws of economics. But the current insidious nature of the GOP party around control of people's lives, the blatant propaganda, lies, and moral hypocrisy sincerely worry me about the future of the country. And though I had for the most part leaned republican since I was old enough to vote, I don't see me doing so in the near future. The inmates are running the GOP asylum.

No moral issues with democrats….interesting.

 

[TigerPT3]

I had a long post typed out that got deleted unfortunately so here are some quick bullet points. Obviously there is way more detail involved but here's the short story:

-Grew up in a dyed in the wool conservative household.
-Disgusted by Trump in 2015/2016 but still conservative
-Became Catholic ~2018/2019, that really started changing my worldview.
-2020 sealed the deal for me being a lifelong democrat voter. Covid denialism, election denialism, racism trying to overturn a free and fair election, quasi-fascism were all very repugnant to me. Last couple years have only cemented it.
-Basically it has come down to the Democrats wanting a functioning and civil society where people can access public goods and have dignified, decent lives while the GOP wants to tear that down, have individuals looking at one another with fear and mistrust and hatred, and loot public goods for the benefit of a rich few. I don't agree with the Dems on some things (abortion, but also don't trust the GOP's post-Roe/Dobbs policies) and don't like corporate third way Clintonite Dems, but it is a big tent party where my beliefs align the most and there is no viable alternative.

Is a functioning civil society promoting sexualization and genital mutilation of our children?