Well that’s their choice. They should find a better job. Especially if they can’t do their job good enough to get great tips. None of them ever report their cash tips so who knows what they are actually making.
Due to today's society not wanting to work
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Obviously not a libtard since you understand basic economics!
And @okclem doesn’t know shit. Go figure
I am making this post against my better judgement knowing it will not be responded to for two reasons. First, because its a miracle the boomers have even learned to navigate this site after they got their 11 year old to help them set it up on their "fancy computer machine". You poor suckers couldn't figure out how to even if you wanted to RIP. Secondly, your arbiter of truth Tucker Carlson, that you have saved as your background on your flip phone, hasn't told you how to feel about this so it's easier just to look at these scary arguments and call the other side lazy communist babies.
The argument that "this generation is lazy and doesn't want to work"
Yeah.... This has been said forever. Its a worn out trope for people who like to complain that nobody wants to work for the peanuts they are willing to pay. This is not unique to this generation.
You can look into any quantifiable metric: income, income inequality, housing (which is the scariest ), marriage/relationships, etc and this generation has it WORSE. To argue otherwise is just intentionally turning a blind eye to glaring issues other people are facing. Other people which are probably your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
I don't understand why the older generation gets so sensitive about this conversation. Nobody is calling you lazy or taking away what your work has provided you. The boomer generation had an incredible opportunity to thrive if they were willing to put in the work, if you put in the work and made it; CONGRATULATIONS. Saying that this generation doesn't work shows that you lack the ability to think critically and show empathy to people other than yourself or your children which I'm sure you all think "work so hard unlike the other kids", which I have heard time and time again. One forth of single family homes in America are owned my investment corporations, with that increasing year over year. In the past three years, rent has increased by 54% on average. People are not lazy, the economy is in a really bad place.
The argument that "this generation is lazy and doesn't want to work"
Yeah.... This has been said forever. Its a worn out trope for people who like to complain that nobody wants to work for the peanuts they are willing to pay. This is not unique to this generation.
You can look into any quantifiable metric: income, income inequality, housing (which is the scariest ), marriage/relationships, etc and this generation has it WORSE. To argue otherwise is just intentionally turning a blind eye to glaring issues other people are facing. Other people which are probably your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
I don't understand why the older generation gets so sensitive about this conversation. Nobody is calling you lazy or taking away what your work has provided you. The boomer generation had an incredible opportunity to thrive if they were willing to put in the work, if you put in the work and made it; CONGRATULATIONS. Saying that this generation doesn't work shows that you lack the ability to think critically and show empathy to people other than yourself or your children which I'm sure you all think "work so hard unlike the other kids", which I have heard time and time again. One forth of single family homes in America are owned my investment corporations, with that increasing year over year. In the past three years, rent has increased by 54% on average. People are not lazy, the economy is in a really bad place.
US Labor Force Participation Rate Monthly Analysis: Employment Situation | YCharts
In depth view into US Labor Force Participation Rate including historical data from 1948 to 2024, charts and stats.
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Civilian unemployment rate
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Maybe you should look some stuff up instead of "spouting off based on vibes".
Labor force participation rate was 63.4% before the pandemic. It is now 62.8%( Just fyi 63.4 > 62.8). UE rate was 3.5% before the pandemic. Now 3.8%.
The only thing you got right in that post was that you actually can look this stuff up, lol. America(ns) gets dumber everyday.
When you make a crap post…..I am making this post against my better judgement knowing it will not be responded to for two reasons. First, because its a miracle the boomers have even learned to navigate this site after they got their 11 year old to help them set it up on their "fancy computer machine". You poor suckers couldn't figure out how to even if you wanted to RIP. Secondly, your arbiter of truth Tucker Carlson, that you have saved as your background on your flip phone, hasn't told you how to feel about this so it's easier just to look at these scary arguments and call the other side lazy communist babies.
The argument that "this generation is lazy and doesn't want to work"
Yeah.... This has been said forever. Its a worn out trope for people who like to complain that nobody wants to work for the peanuts they are willing to pay. This is not unique to this generation.
You can look into any quantifiable metric: income, income inequality, housing (which is the scariest ), marriage/relationships, etc and this generation has it WORSE. To argue otherwise is just intentionally turning a blind eye to glaring issues other people are facing. Other people which are probably your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
I don't understand why the older generation gets so sensitive about this conversation. Nobody is calling you lazy or taking away what your work has provided you. The boomer generation had an incredible opportunity to thrive if they were willing to put in the work, if you put in the work and made it; CONGRATULATIONS. Saying that this generation doesn't work shows that you lack the ability to think critically and show empathy to people other than yourself or your children which I'm sure you all think "work so hard unlike the other kids", which I have heard time and time again. One forth of single family homes in America are owned my investment corporations, with that increasing year over year. In the past three years, rent has increased by 54% on average. People are not lazy, the economy is in a really bad place.
When you make a crap post and someone post FACTS to blow your shit up immediately after it. And they weren’t even replying to you @CHSWalters !US Labor Force Participation Rate Monthly Analysis: Employment Situation | YCharts
In depth view into US Labor Force Participation Rate including historical data from 1948 to 2024, charts and stats.
Civilian unemployment rate
Maybe you should look some stuff up instead of "spouting off based on vibes".
Labor force participation rate was 63.4% before the pandemic. It is now 62.8%( Just fyi 63.4 > 62.8). UE rate was 3.5% before the pandemic. Now 3.8%.
The only thing you got right in that post was that you actually can look this stuff up, lol. America(ns) gets dumber everyday.
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I didn’t say anything about labor participation buddy. But nice try??
Actually seems like the only thing I got *wrong* in that post was that labor force participation rate is above prepandemic levels. Unless you are also going to disagree that 3.8% is low unemployment?US Labor Force Participation Rate Monthly Analysis: Employment Situation | YCharts
In depth view into US Labor Force Participation Rate including historical data from 1948 to 2024, charts and stats.
Civilian unemployment rate
Maybe you should look some stuff up instead of "spouting off based on vibes".
Labor force participation rate was 63.4% before the pandemic. It is now 62.8%( Just fyi 63.4 > 62.8). UE rate was 3.5% before the pandemic. Now 3.8%.
The only thing you got right in that post was that you actually can look this stuff up, lol. America(ns) gets dumber everyday.
I hardly think a .6% difference in LFPR equates to "no one wants to work" anymore regardless, but go off king.
And the libs want to classify as employees and provide benefits. Fn idiots.
As crazy as @okclem comes off, he has a point. People are still working. They just aren't working the shit 9-5 their parents worked for peanuts. There is A LOT more free-lancing, independent contractor types out there for anything.I am making this post against my better judgement knowing it will not be responded to for two reasons. First, because its a miracle the boomers have even learned to navigate this site after they got their 11 year old to help them set it up on their "fancy computer machine". You poor suckers couldn't figure out how to even if you wanted to RIP. Secondly, your arbiter of truth Tucker Carlson, that you have saved as your background on your flip phone, hasn't told you how to feel about this so it's easier just to look at these scary arguments and call the other side lazy communist babies.
The argument that "this generation is lazy and doesn't want to work"
Yeah.... This has been said forever. Its a worn out trope for people who like to complain that nobody wants to work for the peanuts they are willing to pay. This is not unique to this generation.
You can look into any quantifiable metric: income, income inequality, housing (which is the scariest ), marriage/relationships, etc and this generation has it WORSE. To argue otherwise is just intentionally turning a blind eye to glaring issues other people are facing. Other people which are probably your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
I don't understand why the older generation gets so sensitive about this conversation. Nobody is calling you lazy or taking away what your work has provided you. The boomer generation had an incredible opportunity to thrive if they were willing to put in the work, if you put in the work and made it; CONGRATULATIONS. Saying that this generation doesn't work shows that you lack the ability to think critically and show empathy to people other than yourself or your children which I'm sure you all think "work so hard unlike the other kids", which I have heard time and time again. One forth of single family homes in America are owned my investment corporations, with that increasing year over year. In the past three years, rent has increased by 54% on average. People are not lazy, the economy is in a really bad place.
Where a small business previously hired a marketing team, they now hire one for 6 weeks for when they are needed. Same thing for creating digital content.
The IT industry has taken off and is still short people. Coding/programing is no longer a unique skill. Tons of kids skip college and go straight into that. I know two guys who both dropped out of college and went into programming. These people normally filled your remedial jobs being bitched at for $15/hr.
As for the F&B industry, I mentioned my wife is a bartender. She gets $12/hr plus tips. She has full benefits (healthcare, PTO, unlimited unpaid days). She works at a brunch place serving food for $8-13 a plate. The place she works at is also voted the best catering place here in Knoxville the last several years. I point out all this to say, it can be done. You gotta come up with something to compete with ultimate razor thin corporate chains though. The "we've always worked it this way" is going to get your restaurant closed.... quickly. If you're a dick to work with or of a manager, you're also going to close.... quickly.
There are people out their willing to work. There aren't people out their wanting to work your incredibly shitty job.
Lol that's where I'm at. If you are past 25 and trying to make a "living wage" in fast food, you have failed miserably.
You know what, you’re right. That was such a well thought out and compelling argument. I really can’t believe I couldn’t see that before. Such a clear take on this nuanced and complicated topic. Well done you mouth breathing pig lover lol.
Disagree. That’s all those jobs pay is enough for gas and beer money. The ones out of touch are the people who think you should make doctors wages flipping burgers or serving drinks.
A friend of mine’s daughter made bank waiting at ESSO.
....and take ALL the risk. Too many in here read about business, instead of owning one.
Increasing labor costs have alot to do with inflation and why most everything we buy has gone way the the hell up. You wanna pay the unskilled worker at McDonald's a "living" wage lol, guess what. Her baby sitter also gets $15/hr, the bag boy or clerk at the grocery store gets 15/hr etc. If the uneducated, unskilled person gets $15, the moderately skilled wants $30, the highly skiilled $50 etc.
Labor is one of the most significant costs to any business, and a smart business will pass it on to the consumer.
The bottom will ALWAYS be at the bottom no matter what tf you make the min wage. It boggles my mind that this concept escapes some people .
The problem is the older generation raised that one on never saying no and mostly a lack of discipline. It’s not like all the kids collectively woke up like that when they turned 18.
I was at Costco the other day and two women were talking in the parking lot in front of one of the woman's parked car. The other woman parked perpendicular directly behind her, preventing three cars from backing out of their space. It also made it difficult for cars in the opposite aisle to back up (one guy almost hit her).I am making this post against my better judgement knowing it will not be responded to for two reasons. First, because its a miracle the boomers have even learned to navigate this site after they got their 11 year old to help them set it up on their "fancy computer machine". You poor suckers couldn't figure out how to even if you wanted to RIP. Secondly, your arbiter of truth Tucker Carlson, that you have saved as your background on your flip phone, hasn't told you how to feel about this so it's easier just to look at these scary arguments and call the other side lazy communist babies.
The argument that "this generation is lazy and doesn't want to work"
Yeah.... This has been said forever. Its a worn out trope for people who like to complain that nobody wants to work for the peanuts they are willing to pay. This is not unique to this generation.
You can look into any quantifiable metric: income, income inequality, housing (which is the scariest ), marriage/relationships, etc and this generation has it WORSE. To argue otherwise is just intentionally turning a blind eye to glaring issues other people are facing. Other people which are probably your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
I don't understand why the older generation gets so sensitive about this conversation. Nobody is calling you lazy or taking away what your work has provided you. The boomer generation had an incredible opportunity to thrive if they were willing to put in the work, if you put in the work and made it; CONGRATULATIONS. Saying that this generation doesn't work shows that you lack the ability to think critically and show empathy to people other than yourself or your children which I'm sure you all think "work so hard unlike the other kids", which I have heard time and time again. One forth of single family homes in America are owned my investment corporations, with that increasing year over year. In the past three years, rent has increased by 54% on average. People are not lazy, the economy is in a really bad place.
They were having a pleasant conversation and one of the women was talking about how lazy kids are today. Took everything I had to bite my tongue and not say "Speaking of laziness, how about you park in a marked spot and walk over to your friend to have this conversation instead of blocking traffic."
While you may put a certain wage limit on unskilled labor, if businesses around you are offering more for the same unskilled labor, you are going to find it hard to get people to choose you over the competition. You will then either have to raise your value of unskilled labor or operate with a staff deficit.
I know you’re trolling, but this is such a laughably naive and ignorant take. Carry on, though.
Oh it's definitely shade, no cap, but their employees?? That's cringe.
Nope, the shade was thrown on their non-employees.
Interesting thread to read.
A topic that’s been danced around is that the money has to come from somewhere. I don’t have a problem if kids/20s are foregoing shitty jobs to make more money contributing in different, but meaningful ways. @okclem has said that they’re finding different ways to make money. That’s great.
I do have an issue if people are foregoing any job to collect money from the government. This also applies to student loan forgiveness in my view. Handouts shouldn’t be seen as an option.
But be careful what you wish for. Make the job too expensive, while tech/AI advances, and you will find “entry level” jobs disappear.
I also hope people are prepared to see small businesses struggle. The shift to big chains with efficiency capabilities will continue.
This thread also shows why minimum wage is irrelevant. The market determines wages as shown in countless examples here.
A topic that’s been danced around is that the money has to come from somewhere. I don’t have a problem if kids/20s are foregoing shitty jobs to make more money contributing in different, but meaningful ways. @okclem has said that they’re finding different ways to make money. That’s great.
I do have an issue if people are foregoing any job to collect money from the government. This also applies to student loan forgiveness in my view. Handouts shouldn’t be seen as an option.
But be careful what you wish for. Make the job too expensive, while tech/AI advances, and you will find “entry level” jobs disappear.
I also hope people are prepared to see small businesses struggle. The shift to big chains with efficiency capabilities will continue.
This thread also shows why minimum wage is irrelevant. The market determines wages as shown in countless examples here.
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Inflation inflation inflation.
Higher interest rates are a must to combat inflation. Higher interest rates are going to slow the economy down. The economy slows down, people are going to work on Mondays at the Esso.
The free money policies since Covid must end or else we will soon get to hyper inflation. Inflation hurts the lower to middle class the most.
Higher interest rates are a must to combat inflation. Higher interest rates are going to slow the economy down. The economy slows down, people are going to work on Mondays at the Esso.
The free money policies since Covid must end or else we will soon get to hyper inflation. Inflation hurts the lower to middle class the most.
Correct. I get it that people that pay more get better people and retain them. Thats pretty simple., but the expense cannot be higher than the ROI.
Another economically retarded lib. Redundant? But boy he shore do like his vo cab you leery, don't he?
Why are all libs so enraged all of the time?
This thread is great. It’s identified all the “workers” that will replaced by ordering kiosks and AI. The touchscreen at Taco Bell doesn’t need living wage.
Seriously, a college bar seems perfect for automation. Customers are ordering canned beer (or white claws). It’s not complex. Put in a credit card, pay $4 for 2 Nattys, pick up at the bar. Bar just cut down staff and likely prevented a crap load of theft from staff giving their friends’ beers. Can also require insertion of a drivers license to validate age, and track consumption to lower their insurance risk. It’s a win all the way around.
Seriously, a college bar seems perfect for automation. Customers are ordering canned beer (or white claws). It’s not complex. Put in a credit card, pay $4 for 2 Nattys, pick up at the bar. Bar just cut down staff and likely prevented a crap load of theft from staff giving their friends’ beers. Can also require insertion of a drivers license to validate age, and track consumption to lower their insurance risk. It’s a win all the way around.
Figures he is a lib, never met one that wasn’t miserable.. can’t see what he said since I ignored him long ago
GenX here, the issue is there isn’t a free market in labor any longer, most millennials have never seen a recession. We had the longest expansion period in history the last 15 years, much of it pulling forward from the future.I am making this post against my better judgement knowing it will not be responded to for two reasons. First, because its a miracle the boomers have even learned to navigate this site after they got their 11 year old to help them set it up on their "fancy computer machine". You poor suckers couldn't figure out how to even if you wanted to RIP. Secondly, your arbiter of truth Tucker Carlson, that you have saved as your background on your flip phone, hasn't told you how to feel about this so it's easier just to look at these scary arguments and call the other side lazy communist babies.
The argument that "this generation is lazy and doesn't want to work"
Yeah.... This has been said forever. Its a worn out trope for people who like to complain that nobody wants to work for the peanuts they are willing to pay. This is not unique to this generation.
You can look into any quantifiable metric: income, income inequality, housing (which is the scariest ), marriage/relationships, etc and this generation has it WORSE. To argue otherwise is just intentionally turning a blind eye to glaring issues other people are facing. Other people which are probably your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
I don't understand why the older generation gets so sensitive about this conversation. Nobody is calling you lazy or taking away what your work has provided you. The boomer generation had an incredible opportunity to thrive if they were willing to put in the work, if you put in the work and made it; CONGRATULATIONS. Saying that this generation doesn't work shows that you lack the ability to think critically and show empathy to people other than yourself or your children which I'm sure you all think "work so hard unlike the other kids", which I have heard time and time again. One forth of single family homes in America are owned my investment corporations, with that increasing year over year. In the past three years, rent has increased by 54% on average. People are not lazy, the economy is in a really bad place.
So when many on here say” it’s a free market so if you want labor you have to pay for it” isn’t true since the govt has bailed everyone out with cheap money and direct stimulus since the GFC. So businesses are forced to pay much more than is tolerable because the alternative of sitting on your ass eating gummies and playing video games on govt checks is better than working for the same amount. As long as that’s an alternative, small business will be challenged. Once thing I do know for sure is those with the misguided opinions better hope we avoid the recession because if we don’t they are going to learn quickly that they aren’t entitled to or owed shit in life.
Oh but wait ....the worst poster on this board has already factually stated our future reality and anyone who disagrees with okclem and his socialist, atheist, liberal ideology is out of touch. Not sure why he's so warped, perhaps he's spent too much time consuming the Huff Post or that great American Rachel Maddow.
If you really want to ruffle his feathers let him know you are praying for him. Sad, sad little man.
i just love when stories like that are told with the closing line of “i guess they just want to sit home and make nothing,” as if applicants never already have a job and are trying to climb the ladder (or lost a job for no good reason and understand not to settle for less than their true market worth).
If it's rational and practical, it ain't crazy. Just sayin. My delivery is abrasive and unhinged, I get it. But I'm not trying to persuade anyone of anything anymore. I'm just speaking my mind on a subject about which I'm very passionate. People can take it or leave it.
Society has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't owe anyone anything, so why bother with the charade that any of us owe it anything either, especially contributions, whatever the fvck that means.
Has anyone in here suggested that besides you? Please point me in that direction.
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