FPOTUS Trump attempted assassination…

[MaxCalifornia]

From a top U.S. sniper. @24TIGER

 

[cjtiger300]

Is it possible that the shooter had camped out in the building a few days prior to the event and used some sort of roof access hatch within the building? This would explain how he evaded the outer security ring.

The advance USSS team would have swept the roof multiple times days before the event. Guaranteed they also swept it that day of the event as well.

 

[24TIGER]

@24TIGER

I haven't had a chance to go through all 8 pages of posts, so if these have been addressed, then kindly point me in that direction/page:

1. I haven't seen many people mention the nearby water tower. If you look at a map and Google Street view, there is a water tower that has a high vantage point. Why wouldn't the SS position manpower up there where there is a clear line of site of the entire area?

2. What is the specific reason for wearing sunglasses? It always seems like SS agents religiously wear sunglasses. Is it so the public can't see who you are looking at? Do the sunglasses have any special tactical features?

3. Other than looking professional, why does the SS always wear suits? I know that they want to look professional and keep a low profile to somewhat blend in, but it also seems like wearing some kind of tactical pants/shirt/vest would allow them to be more flexible/efficient for tactical type engagements.

Edited to add this question:

4. Would you mind giving a brief explanation of the roles in the SS, and you specific role? Is the SS kind of like law enforcement where every agent has similar roles/titles, or is it more like a military unit where you have a 10-12 man team and each person has a different role - comms, engineer, explosives, etc.?

#1. I have no idea. The CS teams survey the area and decide on their optimal tactical position.

#2. USSS agents wear sunglasses for the same reason everyone else wears sunglasses. There are zero tactical features.

#3 USSS agents (shift agents around the protectee) always try to mirror what the POTUS, etc. is wearing.

There were some days when I served on the Presidential Protective Division (PPD) during the Clinton Administration, where I would change clothes three to four times within an eight hour shift.

Arrive at the White House in running/jogging gear.

Change to suit after jog with POTUS.

Change to “golf course attire” and then sometimes back to a suit.

As a CAT agent and Supervisor, we would receive regular complaints from White House staff about agents walking around the West Wing in our tactical gear and having our pistols exposed (not covered up)

Some were scared or even offended.

Folks have ZERO idea what the USSS endures. ZERO

You can easily go back through this thread and find my career path.

The USSS is a federal law enforcement agency, that operates in a quasi paramilitary fashion.

Vast majority of USSS agents have been officers in the U.S. military or come from state or local law enforcement backgrounds.

I was just a former professional athlete that snuck through the cracks and got hired.

We had number of guys like me as well.

THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

I’m off to the RNC in Milwaukee to conduct advance work for my current position.

Go Tigers!!

 

[CUTiger1977]

 

[CUTiger1977]

#1. I have no idea. The CS teams survey the area and decide on their optimal tactical position.

#2. USSS agents wear sunglasses for the same reason everyone else wears sunglasses. There are zero tactical features.

#3 USSS agents (shift agents around the protectee) always try to mirror what the POTUS, etc. is wearing.

There were some days when I served on the Presidential Protective Division (PPD) during the Clinton Administration, where I would change clothes three to four times within an eight hour shift.

Arrive at the White House in running/jogging gear.

Change to suit after jog with POTUS.

Change to “golf course attire” and then sometimes back to a suit.

As a CAT agent and Supervisor, we would receive regular complaints from White House staff about agents walking around the West Wing in our tactical gear and having our pistols exposed (not covered up)

Some were scared or even offended.

Folks have ZERO idea what the USSS endures. ZERO

You can easily go back through this thread and find my career path.

The USSS is a federal law enforcement agency, that operates in a quasi paramilitary fashion.

Vast majority of USSS agents have been officers in the U.S. military or come from state or local law enforcement backgrounds.

I was just a former professional athlete that snuck through the cracks and got hired.

We had number of guys like me as well.

THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

I’m off to the RNC in Milwaukee to conduct advance work for my current position.

Go Tigers!!

As always, stay safe Billy. Franklin is in the best hands.

 

[BionicTiger]

He may have done this over politics but we absolutely do not know this yet.

 

[Toasted712]

And I guess the one question I heard that is a good one...why did they await the assassin to shoot before they shot? It appeared that a sniper had him in his sights prior to the initial shots at Trump were taken

That seemed off to me

The whole thing seemed off.

Someone hired a hit and paid some people off for security to be that bad.

Or, Trump orchestrated the whole thing as a publicity stunt.

Neither would really shock me. The little I've read, nothing has added up.

Edit: I don't actually believe either of the scenarios are even remotely accurate or plausible.

 

[Say My Name]

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Well that is disappointing.

 

[The89Tiger]

Reported that local sniper team was supposed to cover that building. Sounds like verifying people were in place did not happen.

 

[The89Tiger]

Is it possible that the shooter had camped out in the building a few days prior to the event and used some sort of roof access hatch within the building? This would explain how he evaded the outer security ring.

He bought ammo shortly before the shooting.

 

[nmerritt11]

The whole thing seemed off.

Someone hired a hit and paid some people off for security to be that.

Or, Trump orchestrated the whole thing as a publicity stunt.

Neither would really shock me. The little I've read, nothing has added up.

It’s interesting. The one thing I’m not buying is Trump orchestrated it. And I’d say the same if it was Biden

Just don’t think they’d have risked a suicide shooter that is not a trained sniper and trust they could just graze his ear and not sure Trump would have innocent people at his rally killed in public and vice versa

I’m all for some behind the scenes political conspiracy theories and know there have been some convenient deaths over the years but this seems more like botched security and as Billy has stated, if someone wants to die trying to kill the POTUS or in this case former POTUS and current republican candidate it’s damn hard to stop them.

It was a suicide mission and the kid likely knew that. Now was it a suicide mission that was planned with others from the other party involved and he was the fall guy? That we will never know but I doubt it

But regardless it was and is a shit show and there will be conspiracy theories out the ass for years

 

[leetp]

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Just...wow. If local LE dude can't raise the alert there, wow again. If that was not designated a restricted/no-go zone, another wow. Somebody's father and husband is dead, two more critically wounded, and we almost suffered a tragedy not seen in out country in more than half a century.

Have we really primed our LE into inaction? Have we really made them this scared to act?

 

[BigPapaWhit]

Human imagination knows no bounds. The idea of the Patsy has been around for some time. Best part of movie below is Levon Helm. Second best is Danny Glover playing the heavy. Conspiracies make for great stories but often the simplest solution is probably the most likely. Occam's Razor.



another couple conspiracy movies from different eras.



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[tgrharley]

and what so many are concerned about is, we may never know. I'd actually bet we don't. Do you have confidence in the current DOJ/DHS to tell the American people the truth? I don't.

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

The whole thing seemed off.

Someone hired a hit and paid some people off for security to be that bad.

Or, Trump orchestrated the whole thing as a publicity stunt.

Neither would really shock me. The little I've read, nothing has added up.

the idea that trump would hire and trust a 20 year old to shoot him in the ear is pretty wild. Not a man alive I would trust to shoot me in the ear at any distance. seriously...wth

 

[Toasted712]

It’s interesting. The one thing I’m not buying is Trump orchestrated it. And I’d say the same if it was Biden

Just don’t think they’d have risked a suicide shooter that is not a trained sniper and trust they could just graze his ear and not sure Trump would have innocent people at his rally killed in public and vice versa

I’m all for some behind the scenes political conspiracy theories and know there have been some convenient deaths over the years but this seems more like botched security and as Billy has stated, if someone wants to die trying to kill the POTUS or in this case former POTUS and current republican candidate it’s damn hard to stop them.

It was a suicide mission and the kid likely knew that. Now was it a suicide mission that was planned with others from the other party involved and he was the fall guy? That we will never know but I doubt it

But regardless it was and is a shit show and there will be conspiracy theories out the ass for years

Oh yeah agreed. Nobody can be dumb enough to fake their own assassination. That was just a joke.

Same deal with it was a hit from Biden. No way that's true.

Now some other country, a different org, some over opinionated rich guy that hired the mob, etc. That's far more likely if it truly is something like a hit.

There was so much breakdown in what happened that surely one guy couldn't just walk out onto a roof that close. If that is the case, we gotta ask a lot of questions to whoever was running the operation.

 

[leetp]

The whole thing seemed off.

Someone hired a hit and paid some people off for security to be that bad.

Or, Trump orchestrated the whole thing as a publicity stunt.

Neither would really shock me. The little I've read, nothing has added up.

No way. What you describe is by far more remarkable than a 20 y/o nut job outfoxing a hybrid USSS/local LE detail.

No way this kid maintains OPSEC while being groomed for what he must know is a suicide mission. No way anyone being paid off can think they'd escape the dragnet in the aftermath.

In the end, Occam's razor holds. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one.

 

[Toasted712]

the idea that trump would hire and trust a 20 year old to shoot him in the ear is pretty wild. Not a man alive I would trust to shoot me in the ear at any distance. seriously...wth

Sorry I wasn't trying to get political. I was just saying I can't believe a 20 year old can just walk out and shoot at the president from 100 yards. I went with 2 hyperbolic/conspiracy theory non sense as the only plausible explanations.

 

[Toasted712]

No way. What you describe is by far more remarkable than a 20 y/o nut job outfoxing a hybrid USSS/local LE detail.

No way this kid maintains OPSEC while being groomed for what he must know is a suicide mission. No way anyone being paid off can think they'd escape the dragnet in the aftermath.

In the end, Occam's razor holds. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one.

Completely agree. Most likely is just a complete breakdown in communication.

 

[CUfan1971]

Access to your insights will greatly help those of us unsure of what information to rely upon. Thank you for taking the time for this thread @24TIGER, as it cannot be an easy one to do not will it be quick for you.

Now my questions:

Shooter has been identified, but little social media presence. What steps are (presumably) already being taken to identify a motive?

What, in your mind, is the biggest question that needs an answer, with what I can assume had to a more than one point failure?

I have heard they are trying to get access to his phone now.

 

[Overwatch]

the idea that trump would hire and trust a 20 year old to shoot him in the ear is pretty wild. Not a man alive I would trust to shoot me in the ear at any distance. seriously...wth

Not to mention the 20 year old agreeing to have his head turned into a canoe.

 

[vampirothx]

#1. I have no idea. The CS teams survey the area and decide on their optimal tactical position.

#2. USSS agents wear sunglasses for the same reason everyone else wears sunglasses. There are zero tactical features.

#3 USSS agents (shift agents around the protectee) always try to mirror what the POTUS, etc. is wearing.

There were some days when I served on the Presidential Protective Division (PPD) during the Clinton Administration, where I would change clothes three to four times within an eight hour shift.

Arrive at the White House in running/jogging gear.

Change to suit after jog with POTUS.

Change to “golf course attire” and then sometimes back to a suit.

As a CAT agent and Supervisor, we would receive regular complaints from White House staff about agents walking around the West Wing in our tactical gear and having our pistols exposed (not covered up)

Some were scared or even offended.

Folks have ZERO idea what the USSS endures. ZERO

You can easily go back through this thread and find my career path.

The USSS is a federal law enforcement agency, that operates in a quasi paramilitary fashion.

Vast majority of USSS agents have been officers in the U.S. military or come from state or local law enforcement backgrounds.

I was just a former professional athlete that snuck through the cracks and got hired.

We had number of guys like me as well.

THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

I’m off to the RNC in Milwaukee to conduct advance work for my current position.

Go Tigers!!

You have probably lived one of the more interesting lives. I'm sure the stress levels you have endured have been EXTREME. Were there any valuable off the field lessons taught by Coach Ford that stuck with you throughout your career that you can share with us?

Stay safe in Milwaukee! Thanks again for your service.

 

[leetp]

I have heard they are trying to get access to his phone now.

No way that phone is not already "accessed".

 

[Bluetiger695]

Less than 200 yards away, there were multiple rooftops unoccupied by law enforcement or the secret service. Fireable offense and deserves thorough investigation

 

[L.D. Keesh]

From a top U.S. sniper. @24TIGER

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I'm the biggest idiot ever, but I could have easily picked out that spot, pre rally, as a location that needs to be secured and locked down prior top the event. How is it even possible to make that mistake? Goodness.

 

[24TIGER]

You have probably lived one of the more interesting lives. I'm sure the stress levels you have endured have been EXTREME. Were there any valuable off the field lessons taught by Coach Ford that stuck with you throughout your career that you can share with us?

Stay safe in Milwaukee! Thanks again for your service.

Being a football and baseball player at Clemson, and being coached by Hall of Famers Danny Ford and Bill Wilhelm taught me invaluable life lessons.

Three NFL training camps…on top of 2 AND 3 -a- days under Coach Ford honed a both mental and physical toughness that I carry with me to this day.

My days at Clemson helped me to rise to the highest levels of the U.S. Secret Service.

I will always be very grateful.

 

[housess1]

I have read all the lines in this thread and have looked at other sources of information.

One source I read said that the spotters and snipers were scanning the long range potential shooting positions. My suspicion is they "assumed" the nearby building was secure. The time for the snipers to reorient and take out the shooter seems about right with this assumption. Whoever made the killing shot (assuming they had to reorient to an area they weren't scanning) did it quickly.

 

[yemassee]

#1. I have no idea. The CS teams survey the area and decide on their optimal tactical position.

#2. USSS agents wear sunglasses for the same reason everyone else wears sunglasses. There are zero tactical features.

#3 USSS agents (shift agents around the protectee) always try to mirror what the POTUS, etc. is wearing.

There were some days when I served on the Presidential Protective Division (PPD) during the Clinton Administration, where I would change clothes three to four times within an eight hour shift.

Arrive at the White House in running/jogging gear.

Change to suit after jog with POTUS.

Change to “golf course attire” and then sometimes back to a suit.

As a CAT agent and Supervisor, we would receive regular complaints from White House staff about agents walking around the West Wing in our tactical gear and having our pistols exposed (not covered up)

Some were scared or even offended.

Folks have ZERO idea what the USSS endures. ZERO

You can easily go back through this thread and find my career path.

The USSS is a federal law enforcement agency, that operates in a quasi paramilitary fashion.

Vast majority of USSS agents have been officers in the U.S. military or come from state or local law enforcement backgrounds.

I was just a former professional athlete that snuck through the cracks and got hired.

We had number of guys like me as well.

THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

I’m off to the RNC in Milwaukee to conduct advance work for my current position.

Go Tigers!!

I am sure I have said it before but will say it again....thank you for your service to our country! You certainly have all of our respect!

 

[88MechEng]

From a top U.S. sniper. @24TIGER

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So I’m supposed to believe the government hired some 20 year old kid to make the hit on Trump? Or am I to believe that the government was looking for opportunity and allowed some random person to do it, whomever just simply made an attempt?

 

[Whenry]

Reported that local sniper team was supposed to cover that building. Sounds like verifying people were in place did not happen.

The surest and easiest way to have covered that building would’ve been to put an agent on that building.

 

[Say My Name]

I have read all the lines in this thread and have looked at other sources of information.

One source I read said that the spotters and snipers were scanning the long range potential shooting positions. My suspicion is they "assumed" the nearby building was secure. The time for the snipers to reorient and take out the shooter seems about right with this assumption. Whoever made the killing shot (assuming they had to reorient to an area they weren't scanning) did it quickly.

Transitioning from long distance to short/mid distance on scope is nearly impossible. Especially in a rapid engagement.

You have to go from on scope (limited FOV), pull off scope to bino/naked eye/red dot, acquire target, make any calculations, engage target.

I have no issue with the timing.

 

[MaxCalifornia]

So I’m supposed to believe the government hired some 20 year old kid to make the hit on Trump? Or am I to believe that the government was looking for opportunity and allowed some random person to do it, whomever just simply made an attempt?

There’s a leak within the government or intelligence. If you think otherwise, well, you’re not very bright. The shooter has no social media and his phone can’t get accessed by the best hackers, we have.

 

[7tiget6]

this is kind of my take. I understand once shots were fired SS did a tremendous job. I understand not shooting the assassin immediately, while trying to figure out if shooter was friend or foe.

But until you figured it out, why wasn't Trump escorted from stage?

The only issue I have with the friend or foe, is how do the sniper teams not know who should be on a rooftop with a gun? They should t have to figure that out on the fly they should know where any and every person is stationed/located with a gun on a roof.

Ex: during briefing there should be mention that a SS sniper team will be located on the roof of a chic fil a , so not having a team wonder and worry anout who or why this person has a gun on a roof top.

Just my opinion but that’s epic failure if the guys with guns don’t know who else is suppose to be on a roof with a gun

 

[nmerritt11]

The only issue I have with the friend or foe, is how do the sniper teams not know who should be on a rooftop with a gun? They should t have to figure that out on the fly they should know where any and every person is stationed/located with a gun on a roof.

Ex: during briefing there should be mention that a SS sniper team will be located on the roof of a chic fil a , so not having a team wonder and worry anout who or why this person has a gun on a roof top.

Just my opinion but that’s epic failure if the guys with guns don’t know who else is suppose to be on a roof with a gun

I get what you’re saying but after a phone convo with Billy yesterday, he made a lot of points that made a lot of sense and from someone who has been there done that, I trust in the info he shared. All in all I am sure no one involved is happy with how it went due.

 

[BionicTiger]

There’s a leak within the government or intelligence. If you think otherwise, well, you’re not very bright. The shooter has no social media and his phone can’t get accessed by the best hackers, we have.

They will get access to his phone. To my knowledge there are one or two phone types which have been impossible to access for US and other foreign intel services. I can say with certainty this kid didn’t have one of those. It may take some time, but they will get access.

 

[The89Tiger]

The only issue I have with the friend or foe, is how do the sniper teams not know who should be on a rooftop with a gun? They should t have to figure that out on the fly they should know where any and every person is stationed/located with a gun on a roof.

Ex: during briefing there should be mention that a SS sniper team will be located on the roof of a chic fil a , so not having a team wonder and worry anout who or why this person has a gun on a roof top.

Just my opinion but that’s epic failure if the guys with guns don’t know who else is suppose to be on a roof with a gun

That roof was supposed to be covered by local law enforcement snipers...

My question is why was there not a checklist to confirm everyone was in place.

 

[okclem]

This is pretty good as he indicates that the middle defense tier failed to secure the building and thus the rooftop.

However, IMO, if the middle tier is local law enforcement, there is a failure in communication resources between the SS and the middle tier law enforcement. There must be an SS embedded in the local enforcement for the middle tier (or strongly connected communication individual network to the SS) to have direct communication at the stage to stop the Trump rally due to the observed risk and bring a President out of harms way from the threat. It seems this should have happened in this case prior to the initial shots from the sniper but there was a lack of proper communication assets in the middle tier to the stage.

For me, I think of the security or defense tiers as radii from the stage (think circular) but at the same time, there need to be direct lines of communication from the defense tiers to the stage security as a failsafe ==> "Risk in middle defense tier, cover President and bring to safety" - and this should be broadcast on a secure network for all SS agents. Therefore there need to be these strongly connected communication individuals stationed every 30 degrees (for example) at each tier for communication purposes.

Yep, I think there will be a serious audit of procedure. It's a different world with half the country armed to the teeth.

 

[castlesl]

He may have done this over politics but we absolutely do not know this yet.

What else would it be?

 

[castlesl]

#1. I have no idea. The CS teams survey the area and decide on their optimal tactical position.

#2. USSS agents wear sunglasses for the same reason everyone else wears sunglasses. There are zero tactical features.

#3 USSS agents (shift agents around the protectee) always try to mirror what the POTUS, etc. is wearing.

There were some days when I served on the Presidential Protective Division (PPD) during the Clinton Administration, where I would change clothes three to four times within an eight hour shift.

Arrive at the White House in running/jogging gear.

Change to suit after jog with POTUS.

Change to “golf course attire” and then sometimes back to a suit.

As a CAT agent and Supervisor, we would receive regular complaints from White House staff about agents walking around the West Wing in our tactical gear and having our pistols exposed (not covered up)

Some were scared or even offended.

Folks have ZERO idea what the USSS endures. ZERO

You can easily go back through this thread and find my career path.

The USSS is a federal law enforcement agency, that operates in a quasi paramilitary fashion.

Vast majority of USSS agents have been officers in the U.S. military or come from state or local law enforcement backgrounds.

I was just a former professional athlete that snuck through the cracks and got hired.

We had number of guys like me as well.

THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

I’m off to the RNC in Milwaukee to conduct advance work for my current position.

Go Tigers!!

Somehow I was thinking you were retired. Can you share what your current role is and with what entity?

 

[Fleetwood Sac]

So I’m supposed to believe the government hired some 20 year old kid to make the hit on Trump? Or am I to believe that the government was looking for opportunity and allowed some random person to do it, whomever just simply made an attempt?

Oswald was 24