I’ll take the haha as a yes I’ve got you booked for Wednesday at 8 @24TIGER looking forward to it
FPOTUS Trump attempted assassination…
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Do you think any heads will roll over this and if so, will we know about them?I know y’all have a lot of questions (I’ve received more than my fair share).
I have as many questions as I have answers, so it’s been a struggle.
I’ll try to answer as many as I can, as soon as possible.
Sorry for any delay. Going to be a process.
Just thinking that it would be more efficient in one thread.
Love and respect and appreciate you for many reasons @24TIGER but is there evidence that the shooter was psychotic?
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Yeah…..
He tried to assassinate a former US president and current presidential candidate over politics.
Billy D, thanks for the candor. It is indeed fascinating. How was Dr. Rice to work with and did you ever get the chance to discuss football with her? I have always been impressed with her from afar.
Wow I actually did not know that agents had top secret clearance. Makes sense.
What was retirement like for you? I’ve always wondered what its like for Presidents right after they leave office. Literally overnight they go from being in probably the single most difficult job in the world, being responsible for decisions that can affect the lives of millions of people and future generations, to just…nothing. No responsibility, no decisions to make, no nothing. I think I saw George W give an interview where he said the hardest thing he had to do on jan 21st, 2009 was figure out how to get his coffee machine to work.
Did you have a similar experience when you retired from a line of work that required you to have the same schedule as the President (or VP)? Was it jarring to just all of a sudden not have so much responsibility on your shoulders?
An even bigger red flag... So no one noticed him getting a ladder out of his van and carrying it over to the building? And then they call a presser, and only discuss the upcoming convention security, without taking any questions re: assassination ? Kimberly Cheatle should resign immediately...
Psychotic means that he had a psychosis. I am speaking medically.
Thanks sigmund. I haven’t seen his medical records. You asked for evidence. I provided. He would be on the young side for average age of onset of several common mental health issues usually coincident with psychosis. I’d say trying to kill someone over their politics is a fairly good indicator that something was more than slightly off, though.
DHS is spending all of their money securing the border....
I mean the SS director was in charge of Pepsi security FFS. They had to get a woman from the second best cola company to boot.
This guy contradicts what @24TIGER said above. I’ll go with the guy that was actually in the secret service and did this job.
The question was not to you and your unknown expertise @wittyone.
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Everyone has an opinion until we get some iron clad info. I find it extremely hard to believe this young person got to where he was and got shots off without being facilitated. I will continue to listen though.
Feels pretty likely to me that the event was understaffed and the local cops that were responsible for that section failed.
I will be interested to see if they can get a motive. But I also think that this isn’t a guy recruited by some left wing government wacko to carry out something like this.
Maybe but it's hard to reconcile the spectators seeing this person and filming him and being shown telling police about him but no action was taken.
Here's a good video that gets into a lot of where I think most of us are at right now.
At this point, who knows. He's the right age for schizophrenia to onset, maybe he thought Jesus was talking to him through his cheerios. But in the video he brings up "professional soldiers are predictable but the world is full of amateurs." Getting onto a roof 100 yards away from a former president with a long gun seems like a great way to be expediently terminated with extreme prejudice, and most of us probably think that, except that in this case it wasn't. More generally, people like to clutch on to conspiracy theories because it offers some sort of rationale for how the world works - really screwed up things are happening because the deep state shapeshifting lizard people! Bread goes in, toast comes out, how do you explain it! But really maybe the world is just f*cked up and there's nothing anyone can really do about it - most people aren't comfortable ceding control over themselves and their environment though.
Cop climbed up and saw him. Had to use both hands to hold on to the roof and the shooter threatened him so he dropped.
Yikes. I admit that seems beyond acceptable. I don’t understand how they didn’t have communication to the protection detail at the point to remove Trump. That said, I bet we find out the comms plan sucked.
They will come up with some excuse and we know that.
Huh…not sure if I’m more or less confused now…
Why are they censoring the words sniper and shooter in the post? I feel like I’m having a serious get off my lawn moment right now.
Social media algorithms don't like that kind of content. So to avoid possibly violating TOS (even though it's a clip from a news agency), some users will self-censor text. That's why you often see "unalive" instead of kill/suicide/murder, etc.
4chan is a complete internet cesspool. Contains some of the most awful content you can (legally) lay eyes on. Also a ton of trolls.
Is it possible that the shooter had camped out in the building a few days prior to the event and used some sort of roof access hatch within the building? This would explain how he evaded the outer security ring.
I don’t think what he is saying contradicts BD24. It makes me think that the gun and ladder were hidden for the shooter.
Huh, we were both in Iraq at the same time. My ground tour was from Dec '04 to May '05 at Camp Anaconda/Balad AB, then was all over the place in and around Iraq from Jun-Dec '05. I went through Baghdad a ton, most notably when we're carrying a USO entourage headed up by CJCS Gen Myers. That would have been around Aug '05, if memory serves.
Ppl in close prox to the POTUS/vPOTUS get a "Yankee White" background Investigaton. This is an enhancement to the Single Scope Background Investigation for ppl with TS/SCI clearances.
DJT should have been out of there at the first hint of trouble. As soon as there was a "getting reports of someone on a roof," SS should have done the turtle thing and got him out of there. How is that not SOP, @24TIGER?
This is pretty good as he indicates that the middle defense tier failed to secure the building and thus the rooftop.
However, IMO, if the middle tier is local law enforcement, there is a failure in communication resources between the SS and the middle tier law enforcement. There must be an SS embedded in the local enforcement for the middle tier (or strongly connected communication individual network to the SS) to have direct communication at the stage to stop the Trump rally due to the observed risk and bring a President out of harms way from the threat. It seems this should have happened in this case prior to the initial shots from the sniper but there was a lack of proper communication assets in the middle tier to the stage.
For me, I think of the security or defense tiers as radii from the stage (think circular) but at the same time, there need to be direct lines of communication from the defense tiers to the stage security as a failsafe ==> "Risk in middle defense tier, cover President and bring to safety" - and this should be broadcast on a secure network for all SS agents. Therefore there need to be these strongly connected communication individuals stationed every 30 degrees (for example) at each tier for communication purposes.
Indeed...its too obvious to be overlooked...that is, to not have the roof covered by counter-sniper(s) at all times. One has to think the guy was just over a crest and out of sight until ppl saw him and started raising hell. It follows then that the outer perimeter guys simply did not have direct comms with the inner protective detail and had trouble raising the alert. How there was no means for a breakthrough radio transmission to signal an immediate shielding of the DJT is beyond me.
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I haven't had a chance to go through all 8 pages of posts, so if these have been addressed, then kindly point me in that direction/page:
1. I haven't seen many people mention the nearby water tower. If you look at a map and Google Street view, there is a water tower that has a high vantage point. Why wouldn't the SS position manpower up there where there is a clear line of site of the entire area?
2. What is the specific reason for wearing sunglasses? It always seems like SS agents religiously wear sunglasses. Is it so the public can't see who you are looking at? Do the sunglasses have any special tactical features?
3. Other than looking professional, why does the SS always wear suits? I know that they want to look professional and keep a low profile to somewhat blend in, but it also seems like wearing some kind of tactical pants/shirt/vest would allow them to be more flexible/efficient for tactical type engagements.
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4. Would you mind giving a brief explanation of the roles in the SS, and you specific role? Is the SS kind of like law enforcement where every agent has similar roles/titles, or is it more like a military unit where you have a 10-12 man team and each person has a different role - comms, engineer, explosives, etc.?
I haven't had a chance to go through all 8 pages of posts, so if these have been addressed, then kindly point me in that direction/page:
1. I haven't seen many people mention the nearby water tower. If you look at a map and Google Street view, there is a water tower that has a high vantage point. Why wouldn't the SS position manpower up there where there is a clear line of site of the entire area?
2. What is the specific reason for wearing sunglasses? It always seems like SS agents religiously wear sunglasses. Is it so the public can't see who you are looking at? Do the sunglasses have any special tactical features?
3. Other than looking professional, why does the SS always wear suits? I know that they want to look professional and keep a low profile to somewhat blend in, but it also seems like wearing some kind of tactical pants/shirt/vest would allow them to be more flexible/efficient for tactical type engagements.
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4. Would you mind giving a brief explanation of the roles in the SS, and you specific role? Is the SS kind of like law enforcement where every agent has similar roles/titles, or is it more like a military unit where you have a 10-12 man team and each person has a different role - comms, engineer, explosives, etc.?
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this is kind of my take. I understand once shots were fired SS did a tremendous job. I understand not shooting the assassin immediately, while trying to figure out if shooter was friend or foe.
But until you figured it out, why wasn't Trump escorted from stage?
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