God Bless America. We have lost our way.
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Except for Hilary Clinton and her destruction of all emails and blackberries
Ohh ya, and,
Except for Hunter Biden… nothing to see in these laptops, no felonies, etc
the hypocrisy is insane
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Hunter is under federal investigation as we speak and no one has a problem if he has to pay the price for breaking the law.
Clinton was investigated for years and no charges were brought.
the lame comparison is insane.
You see how him and @nytigerfan just ignore any legit question about the left? Like why can’t you intelligently answer that question, instead of coming with a Karen or Chad insult?
Ya I remember when Hilary deleted her emails after being subpoenaed and they raided her house…. What a joke
Ya I remember when the FBI came out and didn’t call Hunter Laptop Russian disinformation
FBI is a political arm for the Democratic Party. It’s beyond obvious at this point. Come on. You can’t even question why?
She was put through the ringer for years and even sat through an 11 hour deposition. Maybe the fact that she was open and honest played a part in not having to take further action? If your boy didn't LIE out his ass about EVERYTHING, maybe they could have approached this differently.
Have to say this thread has been a sad display by a lot of folks on both sides of the argument. My greatest disappointment in this day and age is the loss of fundamental principle. Either something is right or it is wrong. Either something is constitutional or it isn't. Either something is corrupt or it isn't. Truth is truth and lies are lies. We have totally abandoned that in the name of political agendas. It's why our media has devolved into irrelevancy as far as adjudicating the corruption and lies put forth by our government and our politicians.
The most fundamental and important aspect of our Republic is that the power of the government is derived from the consent of the governed.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed"
We are whole hog destroying this principle and with it, we will destroy our country. It's not enough to wage political warfare based on best principles any longer. Instead, we resort to a "by any means necessary" strategy.
The all out warfare we see relative to all things around Trump is a great example. There was a demonstratively false set of accusations at the outset of his presidency that were used to undermine his entire presidency. At the same time, we had a president speaking daily and lying about anything and everything to make himself look better.
The really dangerous part of this is that we had our institutions like the FBI sucked into this and as part of the events, the authority of these institutions was greatly eroded. We've questioned election results since 2000. We've undermined our electoral college system. We've dissolved the filibuster in the Senate related to many issues. Now the legitimacy of the Supreme Court is under assault in a way we haven't seen in our lifetimes. It's just all too much.
By any constitutional definition, what happened yesterday is a slippery slope at best. The FBI doesn't need to raid a former president's home this way. And if it does, there needs to be a crystal clear reason so the public can understand what is going on here. On both sides, the consent of the governed is waning rapidly because we have so undermined the credibility of our government agencies. They've been used as political cudgels for a long time.
I remember back in 2013 when the IRS scandal broke. It all started with the absolutely false demonization of the Tea Party Movement which resulted in conservative groups being targeted and treated in disparate ways by the IRS. Our president at the time took to the airwaves to acknowledge this in what I hoped would be a very important moment of restoration of the integrity of our government agencies.
Of course, not too long after that, he realized the damage to his administration the reaction could cause and he resorted to playing politics with the matter. Ultimately, he essentially denied it ever happened and diminished the impact it had caused.
It goes without saying that we have different views on almost every aspect of governance in our country. But if we abandon the importance of the truth to try and wage political warfare, we're going to end up destroying the country. We will end up with a civil war. I would encourage people to look to their own side of issues and try to find the honest way to approach things. Neither side is without blood on its hands. The outrage media goes on the march every day in its endless drive to dehumanize and distort everything it can with regard to opposing viewpoints. This must stop. It's quite simple... you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. There's no middle ground here.
I recognize that to many, Donald Trump is a bad, bad man. People that dislike him do so with such visceral disdain. Likewise, there are those that I find to have an uncomfortable and distorted affection for the man. Nevertheless, even to someone as disliked as Donald Trump our first principles detailed by our Constitution must apply. There is great security in knowing that if we defend the rights and freedoms of someone like Trump then we can know we'll be defended as well. On the right, the same is true of reviled characters such as Hillary Clinton. Chanting "lock her up" was never right.
We better wake the hell up or we will quite literally have a blood bath on our hands.
The most fundamental and important aspect of our Republic is that the power of the government is derived from the consent of the governed.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed"
We are whole hog destroying this principle and with it, we will destroy our country. It's not enough to wage political warfare based on best principles any longer. Instead, we resort to a "by any means necessary" strategy.
The all out warfare we see relative to all things around Trump is a great example. There was a demonstratively false set of accusations at the outset of his presidency that were used to undermine his entire presidency. At the same time, we had a president speaking daily and lying about anything and everything to make himself look better.
The really dangerous part of this is that we had our institutions like the FBI sucked into this and as part of the events, the authority of these institutions was greatly eroded. We've questioned election results since 2000. We've undermined our electoral college system. We've dissolved the filibuster in the Senate related to many issues. Now the legitimacy of the Supreme Court is under assault in a way we haven't seen in our lifetimes. It's just all too much.
By any constitutional definition, what happened yesterday is a slippery slope at best. The FBI doesn't need to raid a former president's home this way. And if it does, there needs to be a crystal clear reason so the public can understand what is going on here. On both sides, the consent of the governed is waning rapidly because we have so undermined the credibility of our government agencies. They've been used as political cudgels for a long time.
I remember back in 2013 when the IRS scandal broke. It all started with the absolutely false demonization of the Tea Party Movement which resulted in conservative groups being targeted and treated in disparate ways by the IRS. Our president at the time took to the airwaves to acknowledge this in what I hoped would be a very important moment of restoration of the integrity of our government agencies.
Of course, not too long after that, he realized the damage to his administration the reaction could cause and he resorted to playing politics with the matter. Ultimately, he essentially denied it ever happened and diminished the impact it had caused.
It goes without saying that we have different views on almost every aspect of governance in our country. But if we abandon the importance of the truth to try and wage political warfare, we're going to end up destroying the country. We will end up with a civil war. I would encourage people to look to their own side of issues and try to find the honest way to approach things. Neither side is without blood on its hands. The outrage media goes on the march every day in its endless drive to dehumanize and distort everything it can with regard to opposing viewpoints. This must stop. It's quite simple... you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. There's no middle ground here.
I recognize that to many, Donald Trump is a bad, bad man. People that dislike him do so with such visceral disdain. Likewise, there are those that I find to have an uncomfortable and distorted affection for the man. Nevertheless, even to someone as disliked as Donald Trump our first principles detailed by our Constitution must apply. There is great security in knowing that if we defend the rights and freedoms of someone like Trump then we can know we'll be defended as well. On the right, the same is true of reviled characters such as Hillary Clinton. Chanting "lock her up" was never right.
We better wake the hell up or we will quite literally have a blood bath on our hands.
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He isn’t my boy, I’m not even a Trump supporter. I hope he doesn’t run, I find him polarizing. Although, after Russia gate hoax, Clinton’s emails being suppressed, Hunter Biden laptops suppressed, all right before elections is just completely explainable and okay with you? Like doesn’t seem fishy at all? That’s where you and @nytigerfan just can’t even admit that it’s a little fishy. Like talk about extremist…
You do realize Comey reopened Hillary's email investigation right before the election right? Suppressed my ass.
And who could blame the MSM for not reporting on Hunter's laptop right before the election since they didn't have access to it. We really gonna just take Rudy and the NY Post's reporting at face value?
By any constitutional definition, what happened yesterday is a slippery slope at best. The FBI doesn't need to raid a former president's home this way. And if it does, there needs to be a crystal clear reason so the public can understand what is going on here. On both sides, the consent of the governed is waning rapidly because we have so undermined the credibility of our government agencies. They've been used as political cudgels for a long time.
What does the constitution say that leads you to believe what you wrote above?
The FBI and DOJ had enough evidence that a crime was committed, that they took said evidence to a Federal Judge to get a warrant. The Judge agreed with them that not only was the evidence sufficient to get a warrant, but that the urgency dictated that a raid was appropriate. They alerted Trump's attorneys and the Secret Services and the raid was conducted. The SS stood down and allowed the FBI to conduct the raid.
To your other comment, I think you know that is not common for police at any level to publicly broadcast the details of any ongoing investigation. I dont see why this case would be any different.
Lol. Investigated by the crooked FBI. Lol
Thats the whole point. The people investigating are biased and the investigation outcomes are rigged.
SHe was being honest that she broke the law and still didn't get charged?
She was investigated be the crooked FBI. Two tiered justice system.
There was plenty of evidence that Hillary committed a crime. Eric Holder disregarded his Subpoena but nothing was done.
Two-tiered justice systems don't survive. What goes around comes around. When Trump wins in 2024 i can't wait to come back to this thread.
This is rich coming from CNN.... The same people that were at Roger Stone's house to film the FBI raid that started the entire Muh Russia Hoax.
"CNN producer David Shortell and photojournalist Gilbert De La Rosa were outside Stone’s home Friday morning to witness the FBI approaching Stone’s door to arrest him on a seven-count indictment that special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury approved a day earlier."
This political theater is absolutely brilliant.
America can chew gum and go after a criminal at the same time.
Did this MFer really just say what I think he said?
blah, blah, blah
You're scared
I thought you would be a little more ballsy, it's just a message board...
From the same network that brought us Clapper, Brennan, Schiff and all the Russian information they had seen themselves and the FISA warrant…yea I believe the toilet pics lol
I'd like to see one lib on this board admit that the search of Trumps properties wasn't the best idea. There have been many in real life that have said so (andrew cuomo et al).
Its fine if you don't but remember the shoe WILL be on the other foot at some point. No crying.
Its fine if you don't but remember the shoe WILL be on the other foot at some point. No crying.
It happened yesterday. We still don't know what the point of it was. There is nothing but media conjecture at this point.
But here is a fun fact. Trump and his lawyers have the warrant. It says what the FBI was looking for and why they were there. He could publish right now and prove that it is as insignificant as you guys think it is.
So you admit to this after you guys did it in 2000, 2004, and 2016 now? Hell you guys still say 2016 was stolen 6 years later so STFU with your pure BS.....
I'll bet you Clemson doesn't win the natty by the end of 2022. One year ban bet. Don't be scared, you pussy. Make the bet.
So you are admitting that Hillary and every Pontus ever is guilty of a crime? Because every Pontus leaves with those type of docs....
You seem to imply that objectively, Trump's rights are violated. Why would you think that? What in the objective facts you've seen prove that out, or am I simply misinterpreting the narrative you lay.
yea right. Your cult leader had his house raided last night by the FBI. But clearly I am the one who is butthurt. Take a lap smalls.
Dont get triggered bro. Only Karen's do that. I am just referring to the hive mind lib talking points that yall all echo simultaneously.
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