How many sheep are still buying global warming?

[WyoTiger]

Depends on whose "facts" you are reporting...

University of Alabama-Huntsville climate scientists John Christy and Richard McNider found that by removing the climate effects of volcanic eruptions early on in the satellite temperature record it showed virtually no change in the rate of warming since the early 1990s.


“We indicated 23 years ago — in our 1994 Nature article — that climate models had the atmosphere’s sensitivity to CO2 much too high,” Christy said in a statement. “This recent paper bolsters that conclusion.”


Christy and McNider found the rate of warming has been 0.096 degrees Celsius per decade after “the removal of volcanic cooling in the early part of the record,” which “is essentially the same value we determined in 1994 … using only 15 years of data.”

That’s interesting. You’re right, in that time series analysis models can be made to say what you want with the addition/subtraction of parameters. That’s how both sides to an argument can have data to support their points.

Would you mind sending a link to that article? I’d like to read it. Thanks!

EDIT: I see the link in the post now. My bad!

 

[gardentiger]

Chicago is awesome. Detroit is up and coming too. Both look like paradise compared to Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana.

 

[yuthgi]

That’s interesting. You’re right, in that time series analysis models can be made to say what you want with the addition/subtraction of parameters. That’s how both sides to an argument can have data to support their points.

Would you mind sending a link to that article? I’d like to read it. Thanks!

EDIT: I see the link in the post now. My bad!

My point is there are A LOT of assumptions in almost every "model" that addresses Climate Change. This is not settled science in my mind.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/s...-acceleration-in-global-warming-for-23-years/

 

[dbjork6317]

 

[SaltyMeatBallsOO]

Here come the fats! They hate snow!

 

[dpotter24]

you don't read much, do you?

You don't know a damn thing, do you?

 

[rliner82]

John Kerry is still an idiot for spewing this global warming crap.

 

[housess1]

If cold and heat are signs of climate change, then how can anyone disprove it.

anyone remember back during the 80s when liberals told us were were going to usher in a new ice age?

Better yet, remember when the Ozone was disappearing and would take 50 years to recover after ODP sources were stopped? The ozone data is no better than global warming.

 

[gmbush78]

SC is a welfare state.

The problem with New York is its full of New Yorkers.

 

[andcam]

Two major volcanoes — El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991 — caused global average temperature to dip as a result of volcanic ash, soot and debris reflecting sunlight back into space.


Those eruptions meant there was more subsequent warming in the following years, making the rate of warming appear to be rising as a result of man-made emissions or other factors, Christy said.


“Those eruptions happened relatively early in our study period, which pushed down temperatures in the first part of the dataset, which caused the overall record to show an exaggerated warming trend,” Christy said.

Most researchers go even further back than 1980. Here are the NASA figures, which have been some of the most scrutinized, and the trend can be seen further back than the Volcanos of the 80s and 90s

 

[VeniceTiger]

The problem with New York is its full of New Yorkers.

I don’t understand this. I think NYC is a very friendly city, full of smart, interesting people who work their ass off.

 

[andcam]

Depends on whose "facts" you are reporting...

University of Alabama-Huntsville climate scientists John Christy and Richard McNider found that by removing the climate effects of volcanic eruptions early on in the satellite temperature record it showed virtually no change in the rate of warming since the early 1990s.


“We indicated 23 years ago — in our 1994 Nature article — that climate models had the atmosphere’s sensitivity to CO2 much too high,” Christy said in a statement. “This recent paper bolsters that conclusion.”


Christy and McNider found the rate of warming has been 0.096 degrees Celsius per decade after “the removal of volcanic cooling in the early part of the record,” which “is essentially the same value we determined in 1994 … using only 15 years of data.”

Here is removing the Volcano effects you cite. You go before they happened to remove starting on a year or a cycle with a dip. Still a strong upward trend with those figured in unfortunately. Interestingly enough, the largest dip was in 1075 and 1976 and NASA went back almost a decade to normalize that dip out of the equation.

 

[PAWrocka]

I’m sure the 97% of climatologists who say climate change is real are all wrong.

Our political climate is a disaster. Republicans are the anti-science party and democrats are the anti-economy party.

The really just disagree with each other for the sake of disagreeing now, they really dont have platform or position on anything anymore. Its to the point where I really hope the tin foil hats are right and everything is being run by a shadow government .... I mean .... these F'ers that we see on the news cant be the ones really in charge, right? My 5 and 2 year old have more civil and meaningful debates than the piss ants in Washington.

 

[deshaunwatson4]

You don't know a damn thing, do you?

I know you are illiterate

 

[99 WYATT]

There’s a difference between climate and temporary weather patterns. The warming of the earth is scientifically documented, with degrees added to the average global temperature over the last century. 16 of the hottest 17 years on record have occurred since 2001. Given, this record is only about 150 years old, but the trend remains.

The poster above is right, in that fluctuations in the average temperature causes erratic weather patterns, such as the cold stretch this winter for the south. The number of violent storms experienced this past summer are also signs of general warming trends. Someone could easily turn this around and ask about the American West, which is currently having one of its warmest and driest winters in a long time.

Global warming is happening. That is not up for debate. The debate is weather or not humans are contributing to climate change, or is the earth simply going through a warming spell that will eventually smooth out.

Perspective?
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

 

[tigerworx]

There’s a difference between climate and temporary weather patterns. The warming of the earth is scientifically documented, with degrees added to the average global temperature over the last century. 16 of the hottest 17 years on record have occurred since 2001. Given, this record is only about 150 years old, but the trend remains.

The poster above is right, in that fluctuations in the average temperature causes erratic weather patterns, such as the cold stretch this winter for the south. The number of violent storms experienced this past summer are also signs of general warming trends. Someone could easily turn this around and ask about the American West, which is currently having one of its warmest and driest winters in a long time.

Global warming is happening. That is not up for debate. The debate is weather or not humans are contributing to climate change, or is the earth simply going through a warming spell that will eventually smooth out.

Correct.

Let's check back on this thread in, say, 500 years, and see if this was a trend or a blip.

 

[tigerworx]

Though the winter sucks, Chicago is easily one of the top cities in the US. The murders on the south side has hurt national perception, which is unfortunate

????
Sad about the murders. Any murders.
..........and they always have tons...........for a city that has no guns

 

[Tigerbomb]

I take solace that the nation’s public policy won’t be decided by polls on TI.

Friggin wild fires occur 12 months a year now in the drought-stricken West yet it snows once in Charleston and the world’s warming trend becomes FAKE NEWS. Male green turtles are essentially non existent in the Southern Hemisphere because females are born when water warms up but hey since they aren’t in Myrtle Beach the fact has no relevance.

There may be disputes about the degree and cause of warming but do yourself a favor and don’t cite two months of winter weather to try to validate your opinion as fact.

Duly noted and well said.

In return, I hope "scientists" will not take a 150 year old snapshot of weather and come to the conclusion that the weather pattern we are experiencing is abnormal.

 

[tigerworx]

Go ask the mayors and the residents in Florida if Global warming is real. They are spending billions to save their coastal investments. One cold winter does not prove or disprove anything. Anyone who has had a basic stats class could understand that. You must have been an English or a Poli Sci major so you probably dont get it. Just do a google search on aberrations and linear trend lines and it will help.

Go ask the mayors and the residents in Florida if Global warming is real.

Shit, man!
You have hit on it!

THEY have the answer........and, I'm heading out right now to go and ask them.

.........bought a boat and I sailed off in it..... be back in a minute

 

[PainClinic]

Go ask the mayors and the residents in Florida if Global warming is real.

Shit, man!
You have hit on it!

THEY have the answer........and, I'm heading out right now to go and ask them.

.........bought a boat and I sailed off in it..... be back in a minute

I am a resident of Florida...global warming is false.

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

Chicago is awesome. Detroit is up and coming too. Both look like paradise compared to Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana.

Paradise? Depends on which end of the camel you prefer. Perhaps it would be paradise for someone that lights cigarette butts and enjoys the smell or likes to watch dookie get hard. Not for me though

 

[tigerworx]

I am a resident of Florida...global warming is false.

Should I sell boat, then?

 

[amynhop]

Personally don’t care much about global warming. South Carolina is a shithole, if it is swallowed by the sea it is no big loss. We need to build a wall though in Georgia to keep all of those dirty wetbacks out when it happens.

Hate your new avatar.

 

[GoTigerz86]

Though the winter sucks, Chicago is easily one of the top cities in the US. The murders on the south side has hurt national perception, which is unfortunate

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

 

[WyoTiger]

Perspective?
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

I can get on board with this. This is what I mean when I say the current uptick in temperatures might simply be the result of natural global patterns. Historical data definitely supports that view, and I don't have a problem with that at all.

However, I will point out that the debate over human contribution to this warm spell is not decided. None of those other warm periods were during an age of industrialization and globalization. As was stated earlier in the thread, dumping carbon into the atmosphere is not likely a good thing.

The temps could return to a "normal" level in time, or there could be a new normal of warmer global temperatures resulting from carbon output and other human-related causes. One thing is for sure, though: none of us will be around to fully answer the question.

 

[GoTigerz86]

Go ask the mayors and the residents in Florida if Global warming is real. They are spending billions to save their coastal investments. One cold winter does not prove or disprove anything. Anyone who has had a basic stats class could understand that. You must have been an English or a Poli Sci major so you probably dont get it. Just do a google search on aberrations and linear trend lines and it will help.

You are correct that one cold winter is not statistically significant when compared with all the published data. However, I would maintain that all the published data of the 150 year record is statistically insignificant when compared with the full history of the Earth.

 

[Orangeoveralls]

how about all these folks who believe in God? Nothing but circumstantial evidence at best. idiots.

 

[GoTigerz86]

how about all these folks who believe in God? Nothing but circumstantial evidence at best. idiots.

If by circumstantial evidence, you mean....

The existence of anything at all
The beginning of the universe to exist
The exquisite fine tuning that allows life anywhere in the universe
The existence of objective morality
The unnecessary match between the operability of the universe and the human ability to comprehend it.

Then yes - I'm an idiot. However, being an idiot based on this circumstantial evidence if far superior to believing that....

Something came from nothing.
Life came from non-life.
Immaterial consciousness arose from purely material processes

... all of which would have been the result of the random, unguided, purposeless combination of matter, energy and time.

 

[PainClinic]

If by circumstantial evidence, you mean....

The existence of anything at all
The beginning of the universe to exist
The exquisite fine tuning that allows life anywhere in the universe
The existence of objective morality
The unnecessary match between the operability of the universe and the human ability to comprehend it.

Then yes - I'm an idiot. However, being an idiot based on this circumstantial evidence if far superior to believing that....

Something came from nothing.
Life came from non-life.
Immaterial consciousness arose from purely material processes

... all of which would have been the result of the random, unguided, purposeless combination of matter, energy and time.

don't feed the trolls. Apologetics is best practiced face to face in relationship to someone who is asking sincere questions, otherwise, "shake the dust off your feet".

 

[GoTigerz86]

don't feed the trolls. Apologetics is best practiced face to face in relationship to someone who is asking sincere questions, otherwise, "shake the dust off your feet".

I understand that. Answering the troll is never the point. However, there are always some readers who unconsciously accept the "no evidence" charge and assume it is true.

 

[Orangeoveralls]

If by circumstantial evidence, you mean....

The existence of anything at all
The beginning of the universe to exist
The exquisite fine tuning that allows life anywhere in the universe
The existence of objective morality
The unnecessary match between the operability of the universe and the human ability to comprehend it.

Then yes - I'm an idiot. However, being an idiot based on this circumstantial evidence if far superior to believing that....

Something came from nothing.
Life came from non-life.
Immaterial consciousness arose from purely material processes

... all of which would have been the result of the random, unguided, purposeless combination of matter, energy and time.

Either line of thinking has objective basis. Why does it matter whether you believe one over the other?

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

It'll matter quite a bit for each in due time.

 

[Orangeoveralls]

It'll matter quite a bit for each in due time.

How so?

 

[hopefultiger13]

This is the coldest winter on record and it’s aleady sniwed twice. If you still believe in this propaganda Ive got some bit coins and ocean front property to sell you.

Dude, you have an imperfect understanding of the word Global. While the east is indeed cold, we are 10+ degrees above normal out here in Idaho and the surrounding states. Rain in January is NOT NORMAL here. But just like your weather, local area extremes mean very little in the big picture. You have to look at average global temperatures over years and decades to determine these things. And we are talking about average shifts in the neighborhood of 2 degrees C (about 4 degrees F).

Just because you had some cold for a month or two (or some heat). Is not an argument for or against Global Warming.

 

[GoTigerz86]

Either line of thinking has objective basis. Why does it matter whether you believe one over the other?

Well, both lines of thinking cannot be true - God either does exist or does not exist. And since the ultimate questions of life - things like origin?, purpose?,destiny? - hinge on which line of thinking is correct, it seems that it matters a great deal which one you believe.

 

[Buzzards Roost]

This is the coldest winter on record and it’s aleady sniwed twice. If you still believe in this propaganda Ive got some bit coins and ocean front property to sell you.

The southeast US has not really experienced warming in the past few decades. But the rest of the US has, this year notwithstanding. But the biggest changes are in the Arctic.
Which has allowed the godless commie fascist Russians dangerous access to commerce and resources.

 

[tigerfs]

its going to be a long off-season from football...........

 

[tigerjl]

ocean front property deniers are my favorite.

Columbia SC was ocean front at one time. Look at it now. What’s your point?

 

[stigers91]

Can't say I'm upset about the gradual warm up. What caused the ice age to disappear? Wonder if that was a gradual warming period?

Correct, who is to say the earth has not already gone through this cycle before.

The earth warms melting the polar ice caps and eventually brings on another ice age, then the cycle repeats. We as human beings have been on the earth for such a little time as compared to the earth's existence. We think we know a lot, but we don't know really know for sure.

 

[Orangeoveralls]

Well, both lines of thinking cannot be true - God either does exist or does not exist. And since the ultimate questions of life - things like origin?, purpose?,destiny? - hinge on which line of thinking is correct, it seems that it matters a great deal which one you believe.

We do not know with any credible certainty which is true. Obviously, believing our universe was randomly created has more credibility than believing a supreme being waved his wand and made it all happen. It is clearly much more difficult to prove the wand was waved by God.

So, why should I believe in a God when the evidence is not really there and the alternative is much simpler series of event to believe happened? There is less evidence of God.

I suspect if you take at face value the consequences of not living with a faith in the existence God then you see the alternatives as picking between your after-life soul spending its eternity in hell or heaven.

The consequences of hell lead most to make a value decision that despite the lack of evidence there is a God, it is worth overlooking the lack of evidence and bridging that gap with a little faith. It aint worth not believing.

Other side benefits of having faith in God and thus living your life by that God's principals are a healthy lifestyle, and a society full of believers tends to equate to them treating each other better in order to achieve the prize at the end. This religious lifestyle generally has benefits to everyone around the believers.

Not a bad a scenario.

Same with climate change. It may be argued that there is not enough evidence of its existence to please the most skeptical, but the consequences of not living and behaving as if its true are a living hell on earth for the non-believer AND his/her successors on this planet.

Choosing to ignore the existence of God seems to have only negative effects for the non-believer... to each his own. While choosing to ignore the existence of climate change seems to have an effect on us and every generation thereafter.