My Thoughts (Long): Election edition

[scotchtiger]

Right leaning voters (on average) are flatly less grounded in reality than left leaning voters right now

Yea, I'm not so sure here. We both have our share of crazies. Our's are mostly relegated to conspiracy theorists and facebook spammers. You guys are actually electing your crazies to congress and allowing them to influence policy positions. You also have all the rioting and looting losers.

 

[dbjork6317]

Congrats?

BTW, I've been doing some real world, feet on the street, research into the election winner this week. Serious first hand research.

I'm working through a couple of real estate investment transaction by year-end. I've had calls/meetings with my real estate attorney, tax attorney and CPA so far to evaluate a drop and swap 1031 vs just eating the 20% cap gains this year. The concern is uncle Joe forcing me to pay unAmerican marginal ordinary income tax rates on these gains once he's able to implement his tax policy. Maybe it's better to just pay the man now.

Scotchtiger's official election winner: CPAs and tax attorneys

Nice pivot lol

seems odd you’d pay taxes that don’t exist yet, especially since there’s a republican senate that’s likely to make it difficult for him to implement sweeping tax reform

 

[dbjork6317]

Yea, I'm not so sure here. We both have our share of crazies. Our's are mostly relegated to conspiracy theorists and facebook spammers. You guys are actually electing your crazies to congress and allowing them to influence policy positions. You also have all the rioting and looting losers.

Between the right crazies and the left crazies, the house is going to be a shit show in the years to come (not that it wasn’t already)

 

[scotchtiger]

Nice pivot lol

seems odd you’d pay taxes that don’t exist yet, especially since there’s a republican senate that’s likely to make it difficult for him to implement sweeping tax reform

If I 1031, I just postpone the eventual tax. When I transact again, I will have to pay the gains on this 2020 FY transaction. If I pay today, it's 20%. If uncle Joe get's his way, it will be 39.6%.

You are right though, hopefully 1980 doesn't embarrass itself and we get a bulwark against this stuff.

 

[dbjork6317]

If I 1031, I just postpone the eventual tax. When I transact again, I will have to pay the gains on this 2020 FY transaction. If I pay today, it's 20%. If uncle Joe get's his way, it will be 39.6%.

You are right though, hopefully 1980 doesn't embarrass itself and we get a bulwark against this stuff.

Hm that’s right forgot GA wasn’t decided yet. Republicans just need to win 1 to maintain a majority, right?

 

[FLaw47]

Yea, I'm not so sure here. We both have our share of crazies. Our's are mostly relegated to conspiracy theorists and facebook spammers. You guys are actually electing your crazies to congress and allowing them to influence policy positions. You also have all the rioting and looting losers.

This is another false equivalency. You're comparing elected officials who have policy positions you don't agree with to people who straight up are espousing conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. I suspect people like you (though maybe not you) do this to justify your leanings: "oh well they're all crazy I might as well go with the ones whose policy I like more." I'd rather people just say "I'm voting for the person who makes me pay the least in taxes." I think it's a shitty viewpoint but it's at least defensible. Pretending that both sides are the same on this front hasn't been defensible for years and it's embarrassing.

 

[scotchtiger]

Hm that’s right forgot GA wasn’t decided yet. Republicans just need to win 1 to maintain a majority, right?

Yep. 48-50 now. If both GA seats go dem, Kamala is the tiebreaker.

 

[PawPride]

Yea, I'm not so sure here. We both have our share of crazies. Our's are mostly relegated to conspiracy theorists and facebook spammers. You guys are actually electing your crazies to congress and allowing them to influence policy positions. You also have all the rioting and looting losers.

are we just forgetting about Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert?

 

[scotchtiger]

This is another false equivalency. You're comparing elected officials who have policy positions you don't agree with to people who straight up are espousing conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. I suspect people like you (though maybe not you) do this to justify your leanings: "oh well they're all crazy I might as well go with the ones whose policy I like more." I'd rather people just say "I'm voting for the person who makes me pay the least in taxes." I think it's a shitty viewpoint but it's at least defensible. Pretending that both sides are the same on this front hasn't been defensible for years and it's embarrassing.

Lol. I can at least see the losers on my side, but you aren't acknowledging these crazies and conspiracy theorists?

You are right that both sides aren't the same though.

 

[scotchtiger]

are we just forgetting about Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert?

I don't know who those people are.

 

[PawPride]

I don't know who those people are.

two republicans who just got elected to the house of representatives that are avid Q fanatics

 

[scotchtiger]

This is another false equivalency. You're comparing elected officials who have policy positions you don't agree with to people who straight up are espousing conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. I suspect people like you (though maybe not you) do this to justify your leanings: "oh well they're all crazy I might as well go with the ones whose policy I like more." I'd rather people just say "I'm voting for the person who makes me pay the least in taxes." I think it's a shitty viewpoint but it's at least defensible. Pretending that both sides are the same on this front hasn't been defensible for years and it's embarrassing.

I also don't need to justify my policy leanings based on the whackos on the left. Personal responsibility, limited government, low taxes, capitalism, etc are all pretty basic.

 

[FLaw47]

Lol. I can at least see the losers on my side, but you aren't acknowledging these crazies and conspiracy theorists?

You are right that both sides aren't the same though.

Correct. I am flatly telling you that you're completely wrong; these things are not the same and you're not operating in reality. "The Squad" does have some extreme (relative to the US) policy positions but that's NOT the same as believing that the Democratic party is an international cabal of pedophiles.

If you'd like to point out some of the straight up conspiracy theories that pluralities of my party supports I'll be happy to revisit my opinion. I suspect you're going to come back with "WhAtAbOuT Russian Collusion??!!" and I'll have to point out all the ways that's not a baseless conspiracy and then you'll move the goalposts on me.

 

[scotchtiger]

two republicans who just got elected to the house of representatives that are avid Q fanatics

Got it. Kind of highlights my point that I have no clue who they are, but the super far left members of the dem party are all over the news and influencing policy. I imagine those two will be told to sit in the corner and vote when asked.

 

[PawPride]

Got it. Kind of highlights my point that I have no clue who they are, but the super far left members of the dem party are all over the news and influencing policy. I imagine those two will be told to sit in the corner and vote when asked.

it's prob because your diet of right wing media refuses to acknowledge the nutjobs that just got voted into office, and they'd rather fearmonger with tales of "the squad."

 

[scotchtiger]

Correct. I am flatly telling you that you're completely wrong; these things are not the same and you're not operating in reality. "The Squad" does have some extreme (relative to the US) policy positions but that's NOT the same as believing that the Democratic party is an international cabal of pedophiles.

If you'd like to point out some of the straight up conspiracy theories that pluralities of my party supports I'll be happy to revisit my opinion. I suspect you're going to come back with "WhAtAbOuT Russian Collusion??!!" and I'll have to point out all the ways that's not a baseless conspiracy and then you'll move the goalposts on me.

I have never even heard of the two Q freaks posted above. And they certainly aren't influencing policy. Your party trots out people with extreme policy views and they are actually influencing the party platform. Pedophilia cabals aren't creeping into the Republican platform, Socialism is creeping into the Dem platform. And yes, the "Squad" does have extreme policy views from my perspective.

 

[scotchtiger]

it's prob because your diet of right wing media refuses to acknowledge the nutjobs that just got voted into office, and they'd rather fearmonger with tales of "the squad."

I don't diet on right wing media - don't really watch live TV at all other than sports.

I will say that my diet of tax meetings this week supports my voting position.

 

[PawPride]

I don't diet on right wing media - don't really watch live TV at all other than sports.

I will say that my diet of tax meetings this week supports my voting position.

yes, i get it, you're a busy businessman with lots of important finances

right wing media isn't solely found on television - for instance, you're taking part in a forum that is exceedingly right wing.

 

[FLaw47]

I have never even heard of the two Q freaks posted above. And they certainly aren't influencing policy. Your party trots out people with extreme policy views and they are actually influencing the party platform. Pedophilia cabals aren't creeping into the Republican platform, Socialism is creeping into the Dem platform. And yes, the "Squad" does have extreme policy views from my perspective.

Your ignorance of what's going on in your own party isn't much of an excuse here. And I'd compare "The Squads" views as similarly extreme to the likes of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. They're just way more different than your views.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Between the right crazies and the left crazies, the house is going to be a shit show in the years to come (not that it wasn’t already)

You got that right.

Hm that’s right forgot GA wasn’t decided yet. Republicans just need to win 1 to maintain a majority, right?

[/QUOTE]

Good Lord - it's Charlie Weis in miniature!

 

[CU Alumnus]

Yep. 48-50 now. If both GA seats go dem, Kamala is the tiebreaker.

Odds of that are pretty low. I don't think Georgia has gone blue.

What a lot of people cannot seem to fathom is that there are a lot of Republicans who just didn't like Trump at all. Enough to push them to vote for Biden. It does look like Collins and Loeffler effectively split the Republican vote, though there were a lot of Dem candidates as well to split up that side.

 

[scotchtiger]

Odds of that are pretty low. I don't think Georgia has gone blue.

What a lot of people cannot seem to fathom is that there are a lot of Republicans who just didn't like Trump at all. Enough to push them to vote for Biden. It does look like Collins and Loeffler effectively split the Republican vote, though there were a lot of Dem candidates as well to split up that side.

Definitely a lot of traditional Republicans who don’t like trump. I know people who wanted to vote in all the down ballot races but leave president blank because they didn’t like the man.

Hopefully 1980 hasn’t lost its mind and stays red once the trump emotion is gone.

 

[jakefest]

See the term "snowflake" getting full usage on here pretty regularly........this actually should serve as the visual definition for what that term means:

 

[FLaw47]

Lot of women in particular (ie people who let emotion rather than logic guide their decisions).

Oh hey, you are an asshole!

 

[PawPride]

Oh hey, you are an asshole!

gotta drop that nice little nugget of sexism in there. just a taste for his readers

 

[iceheart08]

Definitely a lot of traditional Republicans who don’t like trump. I know people who wanted to vote in all the down ballot races but leave president blank because they didn’t like the man. Lot of women in particular (ie people who let emotion rather than logic guide their decisions).

Hopefully 1980 hasn’t lost its mind and stays red once the trump emotion is gone.

Yikes man. Guess youve gone full asshole? There was a more reasonable version of you that I liked years ago. Now? Not so much.

Your false equivalencies ITT are laughable as well.

This is @tigerGUY territory, without the sense of humor, with some blatant misogyny thrown in. Well done.

 

[dbjork6317]

I think your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are basically the left side of conspiracy theories. He's not subverting the democratic process. If he loses fairly without suspicious ballot activity, he will move on just like presidents before him. I would suggest that a BS impeachment and trying to railroad/smear a supreme court justice are far more damaging to our political system than anything Trump is doing.

As for division, that falls more squarely at the feet of the left and the media. Talk about gaslighting...

By contrast, Trump is about to have the most diverse electorate for a Republican in ages. Record black vote, increases with hispanics, working class people shaking off the democratic party and going red. BLM gets the attention, but Trump has actually passed criminal justice reform, funding for HBCUs, opportunity zones (take a bow Tim Scott), platinum plan, record unemployment pre-covid...

Your post is a good representation of your earlier comments about how people are living in their own reality. It's a good example of how you can see that is an issue, but not realize you are living it as well.

Just checking in to point out that despite virtually every legal challenge to the election results being tossed out and the electoral college officially casting its ballots for Biden yesterday, the President still has not conceded the election and is still stating that he won and is the victim of fraud. He has personally contacted governors and representatives in various states and pressured them to throw out votes.

So again, gonna have to really challenge the idea that me suggesting this President might attempt to subvert the democratic process is an example of me living in my own reality.

 

[gableboy]

Just checking in to point out that despite virtually every legal challenge to the election results being tossed out and the electoral college officially casting its ballots for Biden yesterday, the President still has not conceded the election and is still stating that he won and is the victim of fraud. He has personally contacted governors and representatives in various states and pressured them to throw out votes.

So again, gonna have to really challenge the idea that me suggesting this President might attempt to subvert the democratic process is an example of me living in my own reality.

@dbjork6317, I didn't catch this thread back in the beginning of last month, but just wanted to say that I did read the whole thing, it was very objective and therefore very accurate (as we've seen). Appreciate your thoughts and presentation of the data. Goes to show that when we take out the subjectivity of our own views there are some realistic observations to be made.

It seems like the thread (prob inevitably) has descended into some angry, opposing views, but again appreciate the commentary.

 

[nytigerfan]

Just checking in to point out that despite virtually every legal challenge to the election results being tossed out and the electoral college officially casting its ballots for Biden yesterday, the President still has not conceded the election and is still stating that he won and is the victim of fraud. He has personally contacted governors and representatives in various states and pressured them to throw out votes.

So again, gonna have to really challenge the idea that me suggesting this President might attempt to subvert the democratic process is an example of me living in my own reality.

@scotchtiger, hard core trump loyalists are now calling for trump to declare martial law and overturn the election, install his own electors. Do you support that?

 

[scotchtiger]

@scotchtiger, hard core trump loyalists are now calling for trump to declare martial law and overturn the election, install his own electors. Do you support that?

Lol. I've never been a "hard core Trump loyalist" and I'm not drinking from the same conspiracy fountain as ya boy @TigerGrowls , so I'm not sure why you would think that I would.

 

[dbjork6317]

I think your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are basically the left side of conspiracy theories. He's not subverting the democratic process. If he loses fairly without suspicious ballot activity, he will move on just like presidents before him. I would suggest that a BS impeachment and trying to railroad/smear a supreme court justice are far more damaging to our political system than anything Trump is doing.

As for division, that falls more squarely at the feet of the left and the media. Talk about gaslighting...

By contrast, Trump is about to have the most diverse electorate for a Republican in ages. Record black vote, increases with hispanics, working class people shaking off the democratic party and going red. BLM gets the attention, but Trump has actually passed criminal justice reform, funding for HBCUs, opportunity zones (take a bow Tim Scott), platinum plan, record unemployment pre-covid...

Your post is a good representation of your earlier comments about how people are living in their own reality. It's a good example of how you can see that is an issue, but not realize you are living it as well.

Hi just checking in again from my own reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

 

[firegiver]

Hi just checking in again from my own reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

To quote your 3rd paragraph:

This is, ultimately, why I find it virtually impossible to conscionably vote for the President. I just can’t stomach a President who so blatantly and openly pisses on the democratic process and gaslights the public to a degree we’ve never seen any politician do before. All politicians lie and spin, but no mainstream politician has ever, in my lifetime, been so willing to embrace and encourage the very edge of the fringe conspiracy theories and outright falsehoods.

Truly this is exactly why all should be alarmed and turn against the man. Case in point:

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.

Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not; it’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side, you know. I don’t even know why you have a side because you should want to have an accurate election. And you’re a Republican.

Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.

Trump: No, no you don’t. No, no you don’t. You don’t have. Not even close. You’re off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, you’re off on these numbers, and these numbers can’t be just — well, why wont? — Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. So we had our experts there, they weren’t allowed into the room. But we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why can’t it be open to the public?

That is not a rational argument. Its insane and his supporters at this point look insane. I'd suggest they have looked crazy or disillusioned, but at this point, read the facts. The guy is a despot wanting to happen.

 

[scotchtiger]

Hi just checking in again from my own reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Already addressed. Feel free to read my posts ITT if you actually want to discuss something.

Trump about to squash the stimulus if they don’t bump from $600 to 2K

A clearly biased conservative podcaster is on twitter making a sweeping generalization based on his experience at a single restaurant somewhere in florida, and you thought this was worthy of not only posting on TI but tagging people to prove a point? How dumb are you? Seriously asking. You...

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[dbjork6317]

Already addressed. Feel free to read my posts ITT if you actually want to discuss something.

Trump about to squash the stimulus if they don’t bump from $600 to 2K

A clearly biased conservative podcaster is on twitter making a sweeping generalization based on his experience at a single restaurant somewhere in florida, and you thought this was worthy of not only posting on TI but tagging people to prove a point? How dumb are you? Seriously asking. You...

clemson.forums.rivals.com

No I’m gonna continue to hammer this point home. That my concerns over the President were not unfounded, that I’m not living in my own reality, and that the Trump Presidency has been a net negative for the country and will continue to have far reaching negative consequences for our culture as it encourages the embracing of conspiracies and untruths and tacitly - if not directly - promotes lawlessness and violence.

Tomorrow’s protests in DC, along with a dozen senators who will challenge the election results, will likely stand out as further evidence of this.

 

[dbjork6317]

I think your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are basically the left side of conspiracy theories. He's not subverting the democratic process. If he loses fairly without suspicious ballot activity, he will move on just like presidents before him. I would suggest that a BS impeachment and trying to railroad/smear a supreme court justice are far more damaging to our political system than anything Trump is doing.

As for division, that falls more squarely at the feet of the left and the media. Talk about gaslighting...

By contrast, Trump is about to have the most diverse electorate for a Republican in ages. Record black vote, increases with hispanics, working class people shaking off the democratic party and going red. BLM gets the attention, but Trump has actually passed criminal justice reform, funding for HBCUs, opportunity zones (take a bow Tim Scott), platinum plan, record unemployment pre-covid...

Your post is a good representation of your earlier comments about how people are living in their own reality. It's a good example of how you can see that is an issue, but not realize you are living it as well.

This morning the President announced to supporters that he would “never concede” and those supporters are now storming the capitol building in what is tantamount to an attempt at a coup.

What an embarrassingly awful day this is for our country. Trump’s legacy will be his attempt to kill off the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power in the US.

 

[dbjork6317]

I think your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are basically the left side of conspiracy theories. He's not subverting the democratic process. If he loses fairly without suspicious ballot activity, he will move on just like presidents before him. I would suggest that a BS impeachment and trying to railroad/smear a supreme court justice are far more damaging to our political system than anything Trump is doing.

As for division, that falls more squarely at the feet of the left and the media. Talk about gaslighting...

By contrast, Trump is about to have the most diverse electorate for a Republican in ages. Record black vote, increases with hispanics, working class people shaking off the democratic party and going red. BLM gets the attention, but Trump has actually passed criminal justice reform, funding for HBCUs, opportunity zones (take a bow Tim Scott), platinum plan, record unemployment pre-covid...

Your post is a good representation of your earlier comments about how people are living in their own reality. It's a good example of how you can see that is an issue, but not realize you are living it as well.

Hey not sure what’s going on in your reality today, but here in my own reality this is what’s happening:

 

[dbjork6317]

 

[dbjork6317]

I think your 3rd and 4th paragraphs are basically the left side of conspiracy theories. He's not subverting the democratic process. If he loses fairly without suspicious ballot activity, he will move on just like presidents before him. I would suggest that a BS impeachment and trying to railroad/smear a supreme court justice are far more damaging to our political system than anything Trump is doing.

As for division, that falls more squarely at the feet of the left and the media. Talk about gaslighting...

By contrast, Trump is about to have the most diverse electorate for a Republican in ages. Record black vote, increases with hispanics, working class people shaking off the democratic party and going red. BLM gets the attention, but Trump has actually passed criminal justice reform, funding for HBCUs, opportunity zones (take a bow Tim Scott), platinum plan, record unemployment pre-covid...

Your post is a good representation of your earlier comments about how people are living in their own reality. It's a good example of how you can see that is an issue, but not realize you are living it as well.

“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away,"

The President’s tweet regarding today’s events.