My Thoughts (Long): Election edition

[dbjork6317]

Whelp @FLaw47 and @dbjork6317 - it's the day after. Not looking good for the Don. But I think it proved out that the actual results fell to the right of the poll projections.

In my post above, I considered these states effectively tied and that results would fall to the right:

ST, RCP, Actual, Shift

GA | -0.4 | +1.2 currently | 1.6% shift right
TX | +1.2 | +6.0 | 4.8% shift right
NC | +0.6 | +1.4 currently | .8% shift right
FL | -1.0 | +3.4 | 4.4% shift right
IA | +1.4 | +8.2 | 6.8% shift right
OH | +0.2 | +7.8 | 7.6% shift right

Very consistent.

Arizona and PA were my two tossups where I had less confidence in enough of a shift right:

AZ | -1.0 | -3.4 currently | 2.4% shift left
PA | -4.3 | TBD | TBD shift right

Arizona was the dagger here. Big blow to the GOP. Gave the presidency to Biden (likely) and now two democratic senators.

Speaking of the senate, huge news that it will remain in R control. This will prevent Biden from implementing anything too far left. Having the senate, the supreme court and the new complexion of the federal courts as a bulwark to a liberal agenda is the saving grace in this.

2024 will be interesting. It's almost a certainty that Biden will be a one term president. Biden at age 81-85 will simply be unfit for office IMO. Do the dems ride Kamala (insert Willie Brown joke)?

Hopefully the coming days are calm and conclusive. And hopefully things turn around, but it's unlikely.

Yup. Polls were a disaster, again. Though it seems even worse this time. Nate Silver’s shine is officially gone.

Arizona was indeed the dagger. GA is tightening with mail ins but doubt there will be enough for Biden to overtake there. Same in NC. PA will be super tight. But Biden’s lead is expanding in MI and WI as mail ins get counted. Seems inevitable those go for him. Biden needed to turn a “traditional” red state and he did it with AZ.

Looking at results in FL and OH, they’re too big to ignore completely, but I’m not sure Dems should really consider those swing states going forward. Seems they could redirect some of the resources they spend there into GA/NC/TX and work on flipping those, though Texas will be an uphill. By 2024 though it could be pretty purple.

I tend to agree Biden is destined for one term. Dems have totally abandoned the traditional blue dogs in the Midwest and once the Republicans put out a more mainstream candidate that isn’t as divisive, I think they’ll flip MI/PA/WI more permanently. In my mind the closeness of this election is absolutely a referendum on the Democratic party’s further move to the left and their inability to produce a truly likeable candidate.

I know a more “traditional” Republican will get my vote over Biden, for sure.

 

[yoshi121374]

Whelp @FLaw47 and @dbjork6317 - it's the day after. Not looking good for the Don. But I think it proved out that the actual results fell to the right of the poll projections.

In my post above, I considered these states effectively tied and that results would fall to the right:

ST, RCP, Actual, Shift

GA | -0.4 | +1.2 currently | 1.6% shift right
TX | +1.2 | +6.0 | 4.8% shift right
NC | +0.6 | +1.4 currently | .8% shift right
FL | -1.0 | +3.4 | 4.4% shift right
IA | +1.4 | +8.2 | 6.8% shift right
OH | +0.2 | +7.8 | 7.6% shift right

Very consistent.

Arizona and PA were my two tossups where I had less confidence in enough of a shift right:

AZ | -1.0 | -3.4 currently | 2.4% shift left
PA | -4.3 | TBD | TBD shift right

Arizona was the dagger here. Big blow to the GOP. Gave the presidency to Biden (likely) and now two democratic senators.

Speaking of the senate, huge news that it will remain in R control. This will prevent Biden from implementing anything too far left. Having the senate, the supreme court and the new complexion of the federal courts as a bulwark to a liberal agenda is the saving grace in this.

2024 will be interesting. It's almost a certainty that Biden will be a one term president. Biden at age 81-85 will simply be unfit for office IMO. Do the dems ride Kamala (insert Willie Brown joke)?

Hopefully the coming days are calm and conclusive. And hopefully things turn around, but it's unlikely.

I hope that due to the balance, we might see a movement to the middle which is where I honestly think Biden would like to govern. That's about the only way we get much done for the country.

 

[nytigerfan]

Yup. Polls were a disaster, again. Though it seems even worse this time. Nate Silver’s shine is officially gone.

Arizona was indeed the dagger. GA is tightening with mail ins but doubt there will be enough for Biden to overtake there. Same in NC. PA will be super tight. But Biden’s lead is expanding in MI and WI as mail ins get counted. Seems inevitable those go for him. Biden needed to turn a “traditional” red state and he did it with AZ.

Looking at results in FL and OH, they’re too big to ignore completely, but I’m not sure Dems should really consider those swing states going forward. Seems they could redirect some of the resources they spend there into GA/NC/TX and work on flipping those, though Texas will be an uphill. By 2024 though it could be pretty purple.

I tend to agree Biden is destined for one term. Dems have totally abandoned the traditional blue dogs in the Midwest and once the Republicans put out a more mainstream candidate that isn’t as divisive, I think they’ll flip MI/PA/WI more permanently. In my mind the closeness of this election is absolutely a referendum on the Democratic party’s further move to the left and their inability to produce a truly likeable candidate.

I know a more “traditional” Republican will get my vote over Biden, for sure.

polls were a disaster again, time to rethink them completely.

dems need to seriously retool their latino outreach if they want to win in 2024.

republicans may have a problem also. I am certain a Trump kid will probably run in 2024 (assuming Trump pardons his kids before leaving office). They would be much better off with a Marco Rubio or someone similar. Trumps may divide the party, especially if he thinks the republicans were not loyal enough to him.

 

[dbjork6317]

I hope that due to the balance, we might see a movement to the middle which is where I honestly think Biden would like to govern. That's about the only way we get much done for the country.

I tend to think (hope) that Biden will be better at governing with a Republican senate than Obama was.

 

[scotchtiger]

Yup. Polls were a disaster, again. Though it seems even worse this time. Nate Silver’s shine is officially gone.

Arizona was indeed the dagger. GA is tightening with mail ins but doubt there will be enough for Biden to overtake there. Same in NC. PA will be super tight. But Biden’s lead is expanding in MI and WI as mail ins get counted. Seems inevitable those go for him. Biden needed to turn a “traditional” red state and he did it with AZ.

Looking at results in FL and OH, they’re too big to ignore completely, but I’m not sure Dems should really consider those swing states going forward. Seems they could redirect some of the resources they spend there into GA/NC/TX and work on flipping those, though Texas will be an uphill. By 2024 though it could be pretty purple.

I tend to agree Biden is destined for one term. Dems have totally abandoned the traditional blue dogs in the Midwest and once the Republicans put out a more mainstream candidate that isn’t as divisive, I think they’ll flip MI/PA/WI more permanently. In my mind the closeness of this election is absolutely a referendum on the Democratic party’s further move to the left and their inability to produce a truly likeable candidate.

I know a more “traditional” Republican will get my vote over Biden, for sure.

I agree you will see some shifts in the red/blue state mix. The democrats don't really seem to be the party for workers anymore other than the "raise taxes on the rich" mantra. The upper midwest could see a permanent shift.

Also of note - Trump received the highest percent on non-white vote for a R since 1960. For the "great divider" he seemed to really reach into new racial demographics. It will be interesting to follow this trend once the MSM isn't blatantly painting a R candidate as a racist.

 

[nytigerfan]

I agree you will see some shifts in the red/blue state mix. The democrats don't really seem to be the party for workers anymore other than the "raise taxes on the rich" mantra. The upper midwest could see a permanent shift.

Also of note - Trump received the highest percent on non-white vote for a R since 1960. For the "great divider" he seemed to really reach into new racial demographics. It will be interesting to follow this trend once the MSM isn't blatantly painting a R candidate as a racist.

you sound butt hurt. it will also be interesting to see how biden does when not being labeled a socialist by right wing media. Just kidding, we know that isnt going to stop.

 

[scotchtiger]

polls were a disaster again, time to rethink them completely.

dems need to seriously retool their latino outreach if they want to win in 2024.

republicans may have a problem also. I am certain a Trump kid will probably run in 2024 (assuming Trump pardons his kids before leaving office). They would be much better off with a Marco Rubio or someone similar. Trumps may divide the party, especially if he thinks the republicans were not loyal enough to him.

The only one that wouldn't be a complete disaster would be Ivanka. She's not nearly as divisive as Don Jr. But the Trump brand needs to fade from the top of the ticket.

The pubs have a pretty good bench. There are a lot of candidates that could beat up a Kamala-led ticket if the party is united. Rubio isn't it though. DeSantis seems to get more traction if you stick to FL. Decent chance a SC resident gets chatter as well between Haley and Tim Scott.

 

[yoshi121374]

The only one that wouldn't be a complete disaster would be Ivanka. She's not nearly as divisive as Don Jr. But the Trump brand needs to fade from the top of the ticket.

The pubs have a pretty good bench. There are a lot of candidates that could beat up a Kamala-led ticket if the party is united. Rubio isn't it though. DeSantis seems to get more traction if you stick to FL. Decent chance a SC resident gets chatter as well between Haley and Tim Scott.

A Haley or Tim Scott would be a very strong candidate. Hard to use typical tactics against either of them. Haley got the Trump rub,but isn't ties to him.

 

[scotchtiger]

you sound butt hurt. it will also be interesting to see how biden does when not being labeled a socialist by right wing media. Just kidding, we know that isnt going to stop.

How does that sound butt hurt?

I'm actually quite relieved today that the senate appears safe. Really huge in preventing any dramatic liberal policies from being implemented. I think the markets are showing that they prefer the stability of divided government. So between that and Biden not being able to pass a tax plan, things are okay.

 

[FLaw47]

Whelp @FLaw47 and @dbjork6317 - it's the day after. Not looking good for the Don. But I think it proved out that the actual results fell to the right of the poll projections.

In my post above, I considered these states effectively tied and that results would fall to the right:

ST, RCP, Actual, Shift

GA | -0.4 | +1.2 currently | 1.6% shift right
TX | +1.2 | +6.0 | 4.8% shift right
NC | +0.6 | +1.4 currently | .8% shift right
FL | -1.0 | +3.4 | 4.4% shift right
IA | +1.4 | +8.2 | 6.8% shift right
OH | +0.2 | +7.8 | 7.6% shift right

Very consistent.

Arizona and PA were my two tossups where I had less confidence in enough of a shift right:

AZ | -1.0 | -3.4 currently | 2.4% shift left
PA | -4.3 | TBD | TBD shift right

Arizona was the dagger here. Big blow to the GOP. Gave the presidency to Biden (likely) and now two democratic senators.

Speaking of the senate, huge news that it will remain in R control. This will prevent Biden from implementing anything too far left. Having the senate, the supreme court and the new complexion of the federal courts as a bulwark to a liberal agenda is the saving grace in this.

2024 will be interesting. It's almost a certainty that Biden will be a one term president. Biden at age 81-85 will simply be unfit for office IMO. Do the dems ride Kamala (insert Willie Brown joke)?

Hopefully the coming days are calm and conclusive. And hopefully things turn around, but it's unlikely.

I'm holding out on all of my judgement until all of the votes are tallied but it certainly looks like you the rightward shift you're suggesting is real. It'd certainly be disappointing (personally but also from a data standpoint) if several key states actual results fell outside the margin of error (and pretty consistently in the same direction).

The GOP probably will hold on to the Senate, it's true. There some outside hope that Maine with trigger the instant run-off and Collins will lose. I legitimately have a hard time understanding how so many Biden voters would vote for Collins but I digress.

There's also going to be at least one run-off election in GA so who knows what will happen there, especially if Biden takes the state.

I'm not sure I'll ever forgive Cunningham for screwing both his chances and potentially Biden's by being a moron.

If the GOP holds on to the Senate I predict that very little outside of renaming post offices will happen in congress until the midterms. Perhaps I'm wrong on that but I suspect Mitch McConnel will suddenly pretend to care about the deficit again and won't allow any of Biden's nominations to get a vote (I loathe the man, so bias is clearly at play here).

 

[nytigerfan]

How does that sound butt hurt?

I'm actually quite relieved today that the senate appears safe. Really huge in preventing any dramatic liberal policies from being implemented. I think the markets are showing that they prefer the stability of divided government. So between that and Biden not being able to pass a tax plan, things are okay.

trying to blame the MSM for Trump's failure. It is 100% on him.l

 

[dbjork6317]

I agree you will see some shifts in the red/blue state mix. The democrats don't really seem to be the party for workers anymore other than the "raise taxes on the rich" mantra. The upper midwest could see a permanent shift.

Also of note - Trump received the highest percent on non-white vote for a R since 1960. For the "great divider" he seemed to really reach into new racial demographics. It will be interesting to follow this trend once the MSM isn't blatantly painting a R candidate as a racist.

Honestly I think the racism mantra helped Trump. Galvanized middle class white voters who are sick of cancel culture.

 

[scotchtiger]

trying to blame the MSM for Trump's failure. It is 100% on him.l

Geez, that's what you got out of that? I was talking about Trump setting a 60 year high for non-white support. And how that trend evolves in future elections when the MSM isn't painting a R candidate as a racist (which they did to Trump - the repeated Charlottesville lie as an example).

 

[scotchtiger]

I shouldn't get my hopes up, but some lunchtime reading apparently has this thing still in flux more than I thought this morning.

GA - should go Trump
NC - should go Trump
PA - Philly votes not projected to make up current gap

That's 268 with AK and ME1...lol

Apparently Trump's camp feels good about flipping AZ now too. 16% still outstanding. No clue if that's realistic.

And a recount in WI.

Lordy.

 

[nytigerfan]

I shouldn't get my hopes up, but some lunchtime reading apparently has this thing still in flux more than I thought this morning.

GA - should go Trump
NC - should go Trump
PA - Philly votes not projected to make up current gap

That's 268 with AK and ME1...lol

Apparently Trump's camp feels good about flipping AZ now too. 16% still outstanding. No clue if that's realistic.

And a recount in WI.

Lordy.

so trump wants them to stop counting votes in the states where he is ahead, but not the ones where he is behind? He is nothing if not consistent. Consistently dishonest.

 

[CU Alumnus]

Yup. Polls were a disaster, again. Though it seems even worse this time. Nate Silver’s shine is officially gone.

Arizona was indeed the dagger. GA is tightening with mail ins but doubt there will be enough for Biden to overtake there. Same in NC. PA will be super tight. But Biden’s lead is expanding in MI and WI as mail ins get counted. Seems inevitable those go for him. Biden needed to turn a “traditional” red state and he did it with AZ.

Looking at results in FL and OH, they’re too big to ignore completely, but I’m not sure Dems should really consider those swing states going forward. Seems they could redirect some of the resources they spend there into GA/NC/TX and work on flipping those, though Texas will be an uphill. By 2024 though it could be pretty purple.

I tend to agree Biden is destined for one term. Dems have totally abandoned the traditional blue dogs in the Midwest and once the Republicans put out a more mainstream candidate that isn’t as divisive, I think they’ll flip MI/PA/WI more permanently. In my mind the closeness of this election is absolutely a referendum on the Democratic party’s further move to the left and their inability to produce a truly likeable candidate.

I know a more “traditional” Republican will get my vote over Biden, for sure.

Good post. I struggle to see Texas turn blue but I suppose it could happen. People forget that the south was solidly democratic for decades. It was a different democratic party then.

But the heart of the Dem voters isn't extreme left. The nomination of Biden seems to show that. The issue is that their leadership seems to be far to the left.

If you think about it, Biden did the "anti-Trump" primary maneuver. Trump was the choice of a lot of the far-right elements, and the other 15 candidates split up the remainder of the party's vote. Biden was the only non-far-left candidate (as I recall) and he garnered all of the center-left support. The far left was then split among the other candidates.

polls were a disaster again, time to rethink them completely.

dems need to seriously retool their latino outreach if they want to win in 2024.

republicans may have a problem also. I am certain a Trump kid will probably run in 2024 (assuming Trump pardons his kids before leaving office). They would be much better off with a Marco Rubio or someone similar. Trumps may divide the party, especially if he thinks the republicans were not loyal enough to him.

The LAST thing we need is one of the younger Trumps to run for president. But if he loses, I think the Republican party will break from him completely.

But the Republicans have a lot of good candidates on the surface - Haley, Tim Scott, Dan Crenshaw..... and there are plenty of others (several even better).

The vetting process will eliminate some of them but I think Haley could be a great candidate.

you sound butt hurt. it will also be interesting to see how biden does when not being labeled a socialist by right wing media. Just kidding, we know that isnt going to stop.

I'm interested to know if Biden can stand on his own two feet or if he will 'kowtow' to the more far-left elements. His nomination is proof that the Democratic party hasn't completely lost it's mind. But the selection of Harris as VP is either a kowtow to the far left, or a very troubling sign.

My issue with Biden isn't just possible dimensia. Before that, he was pretty well known to be an idiot.

The GOP probably will hold on to the Senate, it's true. There some outside hope that Maine with trigger the instant run-off and Collins will lose. I legitimately have a hard time understanding how so many Biden voters would vote for Collins but I digress.

That one is very easy to figure out - they are Republicans that don't like Trump. They exist. I would expect them to support a more moderate R candidate next cycle.

 

[scotchtiger]

so trump wants them to stop counting votes in the states where he is ahead, but not the ones where he is behind? He is nothing if not consistent. Consistently dishonest.

Ok cool.

 

[scotchtiger]

Yup. Polls were a disaster, again. Though it seems even worse this time. Nate Silver’s shine is officially gone.

Arizona was indeed the dagger. GA is tightening with mail ins but doubt there will be enough for Biden to overtake there. Same in NC. PA will be super tight. But Biden’s lead is expanding in MI and WI as mail ins get counted. Seems inevitable those go for him. Biden needed to turn a “traditional” red state and he did it with AZ.

Looking at results in FL and OH, they’re too big to ignore completely, but I’m not sure Dems should really consider those swing states going forward. Seems they could redirect some of the resources they spend there into GA/NC/TX and work on flipping those, though Texas will be an uphill. By 2024 though it could be pretty purple.

I tend to agree Biden is destined for one term. Dems have totally abandoned the traditional blue dogs in the Midwest and once the Republicans put out a more mainstream candidate that isn’t as divisive, I think they’ll flip MI/PA/WI more permanently. In my mind the closeness of this election is absolutely a referendum on the Democratic party’s further move to the left and their inability to produce a truly likeable candidate.

I know a more “traditional” Republican will get my vote over Biden, for sure.

Interesting that in my previous post analyzing the shift from the final RCP poll average to actual results, AZ was the lone outlier that shifted left. Now those results seem to be in doubt. If it follows the trend of every other battleground state, this thing could flip. Not getting my hopes up, but worth tracking.

Random factor here that didn't exist in other battleground states - Trump poo'd all over McCain and you wonder if that was enough to push this state in a different direction relative to other swings. Also Mark Kelly seems to have run a strong race and maybe had some coattails.

 

[dbjork6317]

I shouldn't get my hopes up, but some lunchtime reading apparently has this thing still in flux more than I thought this morning.

GA - should go Trump
NC - should go Trump
PA - Philly votes not projected to make up current gap

That's 268 with AK and ME1...lol

Apparently Trump's camp feels good about flipping AZ now too. 16% still outstanding. No clue if that's realistic.

And a recount in WI.

Lordy.

Apparently there’s increased doubt in AZ. Most of the mail ins are from conservative areas so the gap is closing. Trump needs a significant majority of them. That may very well swing the election.

The huge numbers of mail ins have made this a really tough election to track.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I shouldn't get my hopes up, but some lunchtime reading apparently has this thing still in flux more than I thought this morning.

GA - should go Trump
NC - should go Trump
PA - Philly votes not projected to make up current gap

That's 268 with AK and ME1...lol

Apparently Trump's camp feels good about flipping AZ now too. 16% still outstanding. No clue if that's realistic.

And a recount in WI.

Lordy.

This election is not over by any means. Im very skeptical of what happened overnight in MI, GA, NC. They quit counting...why? Its never happened that I am aware of. Trump will not take this lying down, so get ready for a protracted fight.

 

[nytigerfan]

This election is not over by any means. Im very skeptical of what happened overnight in MI, GA, NC. They quit counting...why? Its never happened that I am aware of. Trump will not take this lying down, so get ready for a protracted fight.

This will all be wrapped up by tomorrow. The people have spoken, and made DJT a one term president. All the conspiracy theories in the world cant change that.

 

[okclem]

Oh yeah he'll fight it to the bitter end, but it's over. Biden is our next president, but much more importantly, Trump is not our next president.

 

[TICrack]

@dbjork6317 When's the last time a candidate won the presidency without getting either Ohio or Florida? Seems unprecedented in modern politics.

 

[nytigerfan]

Oh yeah he'll fight it to the bitter end, but it's over. Biden is our next president, but much more importantly, Trump is not our next president.

its interesting that Fox News has called AZ for Biden and CNN has not. I guess CNN is fake news after all.

 

[fcctiger12]

The only one that wouldn't be a complete disaster would be Ivanka. She's not nearly as divisive as Don Jr. But the Trump brand needs to fade from the top of the ticket.

The pubs have a pretty good bench. There are a lot of candidates that could beat up a Kamala-led ticket if the party is united. Rubio isn't it though. DeSantis seems to get more traction if you stick to FL. Decent chance a SC resident gets chatter as well between Haley and Tim Scott.

While I like Tim Scott personally, I’d take Nikki Haley over him 100 times out of 100 if I were to choose an SC presidential candidate today. Foreign policy (both past experience and planned approach) is key for me when assessing candidates, and he’s far too thin in that area for my liking. Haley, on the other hand, has demonstrated both as governor and as ambassador to the UN that she can acquit herself well in the international game.

 

[fcctiger12]

This election is not over by any means. Im very skeptical of what happened overnight in MI, GA, NC. They quit counting...why?

I would assume they paused overnight so that the folks counting these votes could get some semblance of sleep.

 

[CU Alumnus]

While I like Tim Scott personally, I’d take Nikki Haley over him 100 times out of 100 if I were to choose an SC presidential candidate today. Foreign policy (both past experience and planned approach) is key for me when assessing candidates, and he’s far too thin in that area for my liking. Haley, on the other hand, has demonstrated both as governor and as ambassador to the UN that she can acquit herself well in the international game.

The thing on Haley is she has a good record economically as well. She'd be a hard candidate to beat on the surface. Also strong on the second amendment and she did handle the Emmanuel shooting issue.

When you dive deep into her life - who knows what will come up. No different than anyone else in that regard.

That's not to say that there aren't other candidates that are even better though.

 

[TigerGrowls]

This will all be wrapped up by tomorrow. The people have spoken, and made DJT a one term president. All the conspiracy theories in the world cant change that.

Trump will win GA,NC,AZ, and PA to win another 4 year term. I think major shenanigans took place in MI,WI though. I walked last night after 3am and by the time I checked again at 8am, Trump went from up by hundreds of thousands in MI,WI to being down.

This is my current opinion of course. I cant guarantee it....its out of my control.

 

[TigerGrowls]

I would assume they paused overnight so that the folks counting these votes could get some semblance of sleep.

Respectfully I dont think it works that way. These governments have an army of staff.

 

[fcctiger12]

Respectfully I dont think it works that way. These governments have an army of staff.

Respectfully, no they do not.

Source: I have done contracting work for 2 different government agencies in the past 5 years and have been closely integrated with federal employees for that work, both from the delivery side and from the finance/invoicing side. Budgets are extremely tight at the federal level, and that much more so at the state and local level. It’s highly unlikely that these local districts have the budget to support an army of trained and vetted staff. Vetting and training ain’t cheap, and it can’t be done well at a large scale with the snap of a finger.

 

[BigPapaWhit]

I tend to think (hope) that Biden will be better at governing with a Republican senate than Obama was.

He certainly has more experience working along side them. Does Nancy Pelosi hold on to her position? Will democrats move on from her and Chuck?

 

[dbjork6317]

He certainly has more experience working along side them. Does Nancy Pelosi hold on to her position? Will democrats move on from her and Chuck?

God I hope so. They desperately need a move to the middle and they have a real perception problem with Pelosi especially.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Respectfully, no they do not.

Source: I have done contracting work for 2 different government agencies in the past 5 years and have been closely integrated with federal employees for that work, both from the delivery side and from the finance/invoicing side. Budgets are extremely tight at the federal level, and that much more so at the state and local level. It’s highly unlikely that these local districts have the budget to support an army of trained and vetted staff. Vetting and training ain’t cheap, and it can’t be done well at a large scale with the snap of a finger.

What you are saying is fine, but doesnt mean something irregular and possibly wrong didnt occur. We will see about it. I have no doubt that the Trump Team will not leave any stone unturned related to possible fraud in the vote count process. If Biden is declared the winner and then all of Trumps challenges are processed with improvement then it would be over at that point.

 

[TigerGrowls]

God I hope so. They desperately need a move to the middle and they have a real perception problem with Pelosi especially.

Good luck moving to the middle in the current democratic party. They are increasing numbers of far left members.

 

[CU Alumnus]

What's interesting to me is how they manage to "call" some of these states with so few votes in.

It seems like several states were "called" with what seemed like a low percentage of votes counted.

I get it - some states are easy to predict and it all depends on WHERE the uncounted votes are, but it seemed odd. I assume that once all of the votes are counted, any "shennanigans" (or more likely mistakes or "jump to conclusions") would be sorted out but it seemed odd.

 

[yoshi121374]

Trump will win GA,NC,AZ, and PA to win another 4 year term. I think major shenanigans took place in MI,WI though. I walked last night after 3am and by the time I checked again at 8am, Trump went from up by hundreds of thousands in MI,WI to being down.

This is my current opinion of course. I cant guarantee it....its out of my control.

You do know that it was the counting of mail in ballots that the republican state senate in those states wouldn't let them start until election day. It was basically the opposite of what happened in Ohio where mail in was released first which favored Biden, and then the election day votes came in.

For the love of God, just do a little research instead of immediately assuming someone cheated.

 

[CU Alumnus]

God I hope so. They desperately need a move to the middle and they have a real perception problem with Pelosi especially.

Oh GOD yes the Dems have a perception problem. I said it somewhere that the Biden nominations proves that most democrats aren't bat-shvt crazy fringe-left loons. But their party is perceived that way. Some of that is the republicans branding them as such (and they do the same thing to the repubs) but some of it is self-inflicted.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Respectfully, no they do not.

Source: I have done contracting work for 2 different government agencies in the past 5 years and have been closely integrated with federal employees for that work, both from the delivery side and from the finance/invoicing side. Budgets are extremely tight at the federal level, and that much more so at the state and local level. It’s highly unlikely that these local districts have the budget to support an army of trained and vetted staff. Vetting and training ain’t cheap, and it can’t be done well at a large scale with the snap of a finger.

Something extremely fishy happened. A guy in Michigan on the radio said Trump won 73 of 83 counties in Michigan and was up into the hundreds of thousands of votes after 3am and then around 5am over a hundred thousand votes were added for Biden with no additional added for Trump. Its fishy and needs to be looked at.

 

[iceheart08]

Something extremely fishy happened. A guy in Michigan on the radio said Trump won 73 of 83 counties in Michigan and was up into the hundreds of thousands of votes after 3am and then around 5am over a hundred thousand votes were added for Biden with no additional added for Trump. Its fishy and needs to be looked at.

COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY
COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY
COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY
COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY
COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY
COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY
COUNTING VOTES ISNT FISHY

 

[yoshi121374]

Something extremely fishy happened. A guy in Michigan on the radio said Trump won 73 of 83 counties in Michigan and was up into the hundreds of thousands of votes after 3am and then around 5am over a hundred thousand votes were added for Biden with no additional added for Trump. Its fishy and needs to be looked at.

Dude. Seriously. "A guy in michigan said". Say it with me, "MAIL IN VOTES"