North Korea
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Well, that's pretty much been Trump's tactic with Kim. Nothing else over the previous 50 years has worked. I give MAGA credit when I see MAGA actually happening, which is something some won't do, regardless.
Yeah, I don't know about that. The in-between is what we've been doing for 60 years. That seems much more likely to continue than real peace while the NK regime still exists, or actual war while China backs NK and NK has nukes they can actually use.
Agreed, it's probably a ploy. My big hope is that things are so bad in NK right now that Jong is feeling heat from within his own regime. And that could be the case- that last soldier who recently defected to the South had intestinal worms that come from fertilizing crops with human waste. We all know that NK spends every last dime on its military but apparently can't even feed them properly.
You put the most powerful country in the world on the same stage as a regime that has brutally murdered thousands of its own citizens.
I would say it's more like a gut punch and neutralization of ISIS at the moment. Unfortunately, they'll never be completely destroyed. It is a belief system, a culture, a movement that we have knocked the wheels off for the time being. They're like fire ants. You think you have them killed, but that red mound just rebuilds or relocates elsewhere.
Good post. It was Gorbachev, not Khrushchev. Soviet nevertheless.
How is this "MAGA" happening? Unless we actually get what we want, a US president just meeting face to face with a Kim-tard is a win for them.
Yes, everybody was sure Reagan was going to bring on a nuclear apocalypse because of his anti-communism. However, the players are very different this time around. Kim is no Gorbachev (and Gorbachev was no Kruschev
).
Sorry, I wasn't insinuating that anything MAGA has occurred in this situation. Just replying to the other poster's generalization of "MAGA people". I personally don't have high hopes for this meeting at all. I just know that Trump won't do what's been done for the past 50 years. He won't get "played" by this idiot and appease him in any way. It'll be Trump's way or the highway. I will say that Trump seems to have Kim over a barrel. It will all depend on how the Chinese react. As a previous poster said, don't discount the fact that Trump just put the whammy on China's steel to some extent and now, out of the blue, Kim is wanting to meet.
This is one the biggest problems with Trump and his minions (including the GOP). You like to take victory laps when there is a lot of time left on the clock. Just like the healthcare bill keg party that they threw, celebrating any type of victory at this point is premature. This would be like Brownell saying after yesterday's win how proud he is for his team winning the ACC tourney.
I guess what I don't understand is why anybody thinks this is true. Kim can just as equally say that the reason we're willing to meet with him face to face is that he (Kim) has us "over a barrel." I think what some people are scoffing at is this confidence that Trump is some kind of superhuman negotiator who will get what we want when others who were much more seasoned diplomats and much less unpredictable weren't able to do it.
lol. no, he didn't. it's amazing how full of shit you are on every subject.
from politifact:
In terms of quantity, China accounts for just over 2 percent of U.S. steel imports, according to 2017 data. That’s far behind traditional U.S. allies like Canada (roughly 18 percent), the European Union (about 21 percent) and South Korea (nearly 10 percent).
Expressed another way, the United States imported 740,126 tons of steel from China last year, compared to nearly 5.7 million tons from Canada and just over 5 million tons from European Union countries.
and from CNBC:
But one market that won't be moved much, if at all: Chinese steel.
"A number of Chinese steel mills, transporters, and traders have actually given up on the U.S. market as an export destination," said Shanghai-based Linda Lin, editor of the China Steel Service at consulting firm CRU.
The U.S. is the world's largest steel importer, relying on shipments from more than one hundred countries and territories. Details regarding the tariffs were not presented, and it's unclear if certain trade partners will receive preferential treatment. During the meeting, though, Trump did single out China.
For the Chinese steel manufacturers, however, the news was inconsequential. Although China is the world's largest steel exporter, it is only the 11th-largest source country to the U.S., accounting for just 2 percent of total U.S. imports last year.
This is true. If Obama had agreed to meet with Kim the same people on here praising Trump would have bashed the heck out of Obama. ("He is placating dictators and making us look weak!") Politics is a team sport.
I'm shamelessly stealing from reddit/twitter here but:
Reddit Thread
And Kim Jung Un Is a Survivor, Not a Mad Man
Reddit Thread
And Kim Jung Un Is a Survivor, Not a Mad Man
You will only be able to ignore The Great Communicator and his success for so long my friend. Come on over already.
#hottake: @CU1TruTiger4Life is kind of an awful poster who survives off of volume alone. he's like the will solomon of posters.
You're right...cause we all know Obama didn't have any balls & probably would've given NK anything they wanted with nothing in return. .
See Iran "Deal"...
I have no idea how seriously to take this move by NK, but it beats the hell out of what they could be doing.
Never did figure out why Obama got the prize, but if Trump pulls this off and doesn't win it that will just show how political the whole thing is.
No he won't sadly.
I say sadly because it is obvious that even if the man brought peace in the middle east, cured cancer, and save a dozen babies from a hospital fire personally, he would never even be considered. Even if he has done 10x more than Obama ever did when he won it.
Honestly, probably correct.
Hey, you play with the cards you're dealt. If adding a Pyongyang stop on her latest tour gets "Best Korea" to back down with the nukes, so be it.
Maybe they'll keep her.
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I'm wondering if the steel and aluminum tariffs play into this. Perhaps Trump is using that as a bargaining chip to try to get China to reduce their support of NK a little bit.
He did say that the tariff rates were "open for negotiation."
...and you need to research some sources other than the hate Trump media. China dumps steel into the world market at below market prices. I don't have time to into squabbles with a green horn like you. Just keep reading all of your left wing only bs news.
Why is everyone focused on steel? Oh, because the blowhards in the mainstream media are focused on it. Everyone wants to talk about US imports and not Chinese exports. The US accounts for 14% of Chinese aluminum exports. 14% is no joke, especially with exports increasing by 25% over the first two months of 2018. The steel tariff is just flexing, but the aluminum tariff is a threat. If China doesn’t cooperate, Trump could ask how a 15% tariff sounds...20%? 30?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-down-as-trump-prepares-tariffs-idUSKCN1GK0TC
lol it's politifact and CNBC, you rube. not like i pulled from slate and mother jones. and they based their findings off hard data. you will literally shill for anything this buffoon does.
Yeah, because the Hillary minions never celebrated her victory on election day WAY before that night was over.
...and you obviously haven't read everything I've written in this thread. You will literally shrill at anything you don't understand. Try to gain and understanding of what flooding the world market with subsidized, below market priced steel actually means. Then come back and try to act like an adult and have a civil conversation.
This meeting will be similar to when Emperor Hirohito met Douglas MacArthur
"I come to you, President Trump, to offer myself to the judgement of the powers you represent as the one to bear sole responsibility for every political and military decision made and action taken by my people in the conduct of war."
"I come to you, President Trump, to offer myself to the judgement of the powers you represent as the one to bear sole responsibility for every political and military decision made and action taken by my people in the conduct of war."
Well, unfortunately for you, Trump won the election fair and square; based on the promises he made to the voters. Up until now, he has followed through with many of those promises and is working on accomplishing the rest. I understand that this triggers you. He is unbelievably accomplishing his goals, whether you agree with his goals or not. I did not vote for Trump in the state primary. I did vote for him in the general. What is your story?
The best winning ever. Simply superb winning. Great. Great. Simply great winning.
You are right, historically, meeting with the Communist murderers of N.K. has been a waste of time.
But all the previous presidents have tried to play nice, make a nice deal, give them something (financial, etc.)
Trump is a totally different animal.
He's brutal, in your face, and takes no prisoners.
Appeasing tyrants and bullies NEVER works. I found that out in the school yards as a kid.
You warn them. Once.
Then you bloody their nose the next time they dare step over the line.
Bullies, like most criminals, want to take advantage of someone. That's why removing guns doesn't work.
KJL is a bully. You have to put the fear of God into him.
Appeasement didn't work with the Nazis. It won't work with radical Muslims. And it won't work with NK.
Not really. I would have said the same thing I am saying here. We don’t know what the outcome will be yet. Of course I have a brain and can think for myself, unlike many others on this board.
I hope Trump succeeds in disarming NK’s nuclear capabilities. It would be good for the United States, good for South Korea, good for Japan.
Historically, I’m not optimistic. NK’s nuclear capabilities are the only thing that makes them relevant on the world stage. When Iraq and Libya ceased pursuing a nuclear program, they had regime change. When Ukraine gave up their weapons, they were invaded. I dont see Kin Jong-un sacrificing his only bargaining chip.
Historically, I’m not optimistic. NK’s nuclear capabilities are the only thing that makes them relevant on the world stage. When Iraq and Libya ceased pursuing a nuclear program, they had regime change. When Ukraine gave up their weapons, they were invaded. I dont see Kin Jong-un sacrificing his only bargaining chip.
I think it does somewhat. The South Korean national security official who brought Kim Jong Un’s invitation to meet Trump also asked for an exemption for South Korea on the new steel tariff, and Mattis said they "will proactively consider" the request. SK is the third largest importer of steel into the US behind Canada and Brazil.
where did i dispute the election results? countries have throughout history voted horrible people into office and will continue to do so. i was naive to think america was above it, that's for sure.
would love to know these vast "goals" that trump has accomplished. so far the only tangible thing he's done is a tax bill that is likely to look horrible in 5-10 years, if not sooner.
