Ok, I'll say it re spskill

[SGTiger]

The fact that TL and KB were essentially co-starters to start the season is a strong statement that Dabo did not believe KB had elevated his game.

I was referring to giving him a chance to elevate his game in real games. Do you really think that Dabo would give the job to TL if KB had balled out yesterday and showed that the team wasn't one dimensional when he was in there?

Dabo probably had doubts whether KB would hold off TL during the season, but it is ludicrous to believe Dabo made a final decision before the actually season started. He probably hoped KB would elevate his game yesterday and march down the field instead of making us one dimensional.

He gave KB a chance to take it to another level. That is NOT getting a raw deal, lol. Seriously, wtf.

 

[spskillz]

I was referring to giving him a chance to elevate his game in real games. Do you really think that Dabo would give the job to TL if KB had balled out yesterday and showed that the team wasn't one dimensional when he was in there?

Dabo probably had doubts whether KB would hold off TL during the season, but it is ludicrous to believe Dabo made a final decision before the actually season started. He probably hoped KB would elevate his game yesterday and march down the field instead of making us one dimensional.

He gave KB a chance to take it to another level. That is NOT getting a raw deal, lol. Seriously, wtf.

What's your opinion on the A/M game? I thought for sure KB outplayed TL. Even in the first half where KB was more effective TL trotted out there first after the half.

 

[RaleighTiger]

Yes because he is under the belief that Dabo would have given the job to TL regardless of whether KB elevated his game or not.

I was referring to giving him a chance to elevate his game in real games. Do you really think that Dabo would give the job to TL if KB had balled out yesterday and showed that the team wasn't one dimensional when he was in there?

Dabo probably had doubts whether KB would hold off TL during the season, but it is ludicrous to believe Dabo made a final decision before the actually season started. He probably hoped KB would elevate his game yesterday and march down the field instead of making us one dimensional.

He gave KB a chance to take it to another level. That is NOT getting a raw deal, lol. Seriously, wtf.

I don't think it is ludicrous at all to think that Dabo, after seeing both compete in the spring and fall camps, didn't know who his quarterback would be. Its obvious that KB didn't elevate his game over several months of competition prior to the first snap. Sure, if KB had balled out from the get go, that would have been great. But I think Dabo knew from day one what has proven to be the case - TL is the better QB.

 

[SGTiger]

What's your opinion on the A/M game? I thought for sure KB outplayed TL. Even in the first half where KB was more effective TL trotted out there first after the half.

I think KB was more effective in the 2nd half but was ineffective in the 1st half. I think play calling and personnel groupings hampered both QBs.

I just don't believe defenses will respect the pass enough for us to win it all when KB is under center.

 

[SGTiger]

I don't think it is ludicrous at all to think that Dabo, after seeing both compete in the spring and fall camps, didn't know who his quarterback would be. Its obvious that KB didn't elevate his game over several months of competition prior to the first snap. Sure, if KB had balled out from the get go, that would have been great. But I think Dabo knew from day one what has proven to be the case - TL is the better QB.

Knowing TL is the better QB is not the same as not giving KB a real chance to keep his job if he elevated his play. Believe what you want, but you have no facts to back it up.

 

[Tigerfaith]

Your response to me yesterday when I compared the situations was that CS wasn’t even in the same league as KB.

There wasn’t any sympathy from you for Stoudt.

Wonder why? I have a hunch which I made in my initial post.

 

[RaleighTiger]

Knowing TL is the better QB is not the same as not giving KB a real chance to keep his job if he elevated his play. Believe what you want, but you have no facts to back it up.

Neither do you which is the whole point. No one said he wasn't given a fair chance.The basic premise of the argument is that if Dabo knew from the beginning of the season that TL would eventually be starter (which is a strong possibility), why not name him from day one and give KB the option of transferring? Hell, many people on here were begging for TL to be named from the get go.

 

[Jwilliamsiii]

It’s obvious a lot of people itt played in a soccer league in which everyone got a trophy

 

[spskillz]

I think KB was more effective in the 2nd half but was ineffective in the 1st half. I think play calling and personnel groupings hampered both QBs.

I just don't believe defenses will respect the pass enough for us to win it all when KB is under center.

I think Dabo thinks the same thing.

 

[SGTiger]

Neither do you which is the whole point. No one said he wasn't given a fair chance.The basic premise of the argument is that if Dabo knew from the beginning of the season that TL would eventually be starter (which is a strong possibility), why not name him from day one and give KB the option of transferring? Hell, many people on here were begging for TL to be named from the get go.

No it wasn't a premise. He's not saying "IF DABO KNEW". He's saying Dabo knew. No one in this world including Dabo knew whether KB would elevate his game. It would be silly for any coach to claim to KNOW how a freshmen would perform under live fire when compared to an experienced senior. Having doubts don't count. The fact is, if TL had faltered somewhat or KB was able to pass significantly better than he has previously, KB wouldn't have lost his job and that wasn't DECIDED UPON at the beginning of the season, lol. A coach would be an idiot to not see how it plays out. He's a true freshman.

 

[spskillz]

Wonder why? I have a hunch which I made in my initial post.

I guess I hate half of my children, perhaps my wife should call you as a witness at my divorce. SMH.

 

[RaleighTiger]

No it wasn't a premise. He's not saying "IF DABO KNEW". He's saying Dabo knew. No one in this world including Dabo knew whether KB would elevate his game. It would be silly for any coach to claim to KNOW how a freshmen would perform under live fire when compared to an experienced senior. Having doubts don't count. The fact is, if TL had faltered somewhat or KB was able to pass significantly better than he has previously, KB wouldn't have lost his job and that wasn't DECIDED UPON at the beginning of the season, lol. A coach would be an idiot to not see how it plays out. He's a true freshman.

He is saying Dabo knew and you are saying he didn't. Two different beliefs. No one knows what Dabo was thinking, so we don't actually know what his thought process is or was. So you can't say anything for a fact anymore than he can.

I am done. Agree to disagree.

 

[SGTiger]

He is saying Dabo knew and you are saying he didn't. Two different beliefs. No one knows what Dabo was thinking, so we don't actually know what his thought process is or was. So you can't say anything for a fact anymore than he can.

I am done. Agree to disagree.

I do know that is silly for you to believe that there is a POSSIBILITY that Dabo would take KB's job if KB had significantly elevated his passing game after the season started.

 

[acwill07]

I don't think it is ludicrous at all to think that Dabo, after seeing both compete in the spring and fall camps, didn't know who his quarterback would be. Its obvious that KB didn't elevate his game over several months of competition prior to the first snap. Sure, if KB had balled out from the get go, that would have been great. But I think Dabo knew from day one what has proven to be the case - TL is the better QB.

And if KB had balled out in the games, he would’ve kept his job, and Dabo would’ve been happy for him. Y’all are implying that Dabo has the ability to see the future....Dabo didn’t hurt KB, if anything the opposite is true. He’s gone out of his way to protect KB’s feelings.

 

[Tigerfaith]

He is saying Dabo knew and you are saying he didn't. Two different beliefs. No one knows what Dabo was thinking, so we don't actually know what his thought process is or was. So you can't say anything for a fact anymore than he can.

I am done. Agree to disagree.

No but you can have some discernment by looking at Dabo’s body of work. SMH

 

[RaleighTiger]

I do know that is silly for you to believe that there is a POSSIBILITY that Dabo would take KB's job if KB had significantly elevated his passing game after the season started.

I don't believe that at all and you are still missing the point. I think it's silly for you to not even comprehend that Dabo probably knew Trevor Lawrence was going to be the starting quarterback from the get-go.

 

[Tigerfaith]

I don't believe that at all and you are still missing the point. I think it's silly for you to not even comprehend that Dabo probably knew Trevor Lawrence was going to be the starting quarterback from the get-go.

LOL...lost cause here SG.

 

[RaleighTiger]

And if KB had balled out in the games, he would’ve kept his job, and Dabo would’ve been happy for him. Y’all are implying that Dabo has the ability to see the future....Dabo didn’t hurt KB, if anything the opposite is true. He’s gone out of his way to protect KB’s feelings.

Course I would have been happy. And I'm not disagreeing with this point at all. All I'm saying is there's a valid opposite opinion to this. If Dabo knew from the get-go that Trevor Lawrence was going to be his guy eventually, it is a reasonable opinion to believe that he should have named in the starter from day one to give him the option to transfer.

I understand the majority of folks on here not believing in this opinion but I find it hard to believe folks can't admit that it is a valid one.

 

[RaleighTiger]

No but you can have some discernment by looking at Dabo’s body of work. SMH

Sorry I don't argue with racists.

 

[Tigerfaith]

Course I would have been happy. And I'm not disagreeing with this point at all. All I'm saying is there's a valid opposite opinion to this. If Dabo knew from the get-go that Trevor Lawrence was going to be his guy eventually, it is a reasonable opinion to believe that he should have named in the starter from day one to give him the option to transfer.

I understand the majority of folks on here not believing in this opinion but I find it hard to believe folks can't admit that it is a valid one.

Because it isn’t...it was an attack on Dabo’s character with racial overtones that is not fair to him.

 

[Tigerfaith]

Sorry I don't argue with racists.

Glad you learned how to spell it this time. I’ll pass that along to one of my best friends Anthony Rose who played on the 1981 team.

 

[RaleighTiger]

Because it isn’t...it was an attack on Dabo’s character with racial overtones that is not fair to him.

Looking for racism where there isn't any. Not a good look man. Just stop.

 

[SGTiger]

I don't believe that at all and you are still missing the point. I think it's silly for you to not even comprehend that Dabo probably knew Trevor Lawrence was going to be the starting quarterback from the get-go.

You said KB got a raw deal. The only way that is the case is if Dabo made the decision 100% before the season started; and therefore KB had no real chance to win the job.

I have said multiple times, Dabo probably felt like TL would win the job. However Dabo is an optimist and he wanted to give KB a fair chance to win the job if he wanted it.

Its not like KB wasn't told about the 2 qb system until after the season started. He knew he would have to improve his passing to keep his job.

He wasn't given a raw deal by Dabo. He wasn't shit on by Dabo. He was given a chance by Dabo and that should be all that KB was expecting.

 

[RaleighTiger]

Glad you learned how to spell it this time. I’ll pass that along to one of my best friends Anthony Rose who played on the 1981 team.

The old I have friends who are black routine. You can't make this up.

 

[RaleighTiger]

You said KB got a raw deal. The only way that is the case is if Dabo made the decision 100% before the season started; and therefore KB had no real chance to win the job.

I have said multiple times, Dabo probably felt like TL would win the job. However Dabo is an optimist and he wanted to give KB a fair chance to win the job if he wanted it.

Its not like KB wasn't told about the 2 qb system until after the season started. He knew he would have to improve his passing to keep his job.

He wasn't given a raw deal by Dabo. He wasn't shit on by Dabo. He was given a chance by Dabo and that should be all that KB was expecting.

 

[Tigerfaith]

The old I have friends who are black routine. You can't make this up.

Lol

 

[RaleighTiger]

You said KB got a raw deal. The only way that is the case is if Dabo made the decision 100% before the season started; and therefore KB had no real chance to win the job.

That was the exact stipulation that was made. This is what SP skill stated in the other thread. And if you believe this to be a hundred percent true then it is a valid opinion. That is all I am saying.

 

[RaleighTiger]

To everyone who I argued with in here, no hard feelings. Always good to have differing opinions, and we all have the same goal in mind - bringing a natty to Clemson.

 

[acwill07]

Because it isn’t...it was an attack on Dabo’s character with racial overtones that is not fair to him.

Dude race was never brought into any discussion. Stop it.

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

If you’re KB, thinking from a future standpoint for him, do you transfer now? Looking from what is best for KB

No. I think he loves Clemson and will continue to be a productive member and leader of the team. He is still going to do good things for the team this year.

 

[TigersInTheValley]

I appreciate you don't think much of KB. It appears you think he's lucky to simply be on the team.

I didn't say that at all. I just think TL is much better for our offense. I also think that every rep he can get with our team would be beneficial to his growth. I appreciate the bridge year that KB gave us and he was solid and a great game manager because he didn't turn the ball over. We also have not been very explosive as an offense which we should be with our talent. Not sure if you are just trolling everyone, but your takes are pretty weak and make no sense. 0/10 poster.