If Bernie won the Democratic Nominee
and Trump won the Republican Nominee
who would you vote for and why?
OT: Bernie or Trump
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Good thing our founding fathers created separation of powers in the federal government for just such an occasion.
What, he's not a politician? When did "politician" become a profession?
Give me a successful businessman over any professional politician
That's an interesting trend I've noticed. Not calling you out specifically, just in general. 8 years ago, all we heard was that Obama wasn't qualified to be POTUS because he was "only" a 1 term Senator. The right said you couldn't be effective in that role without years of experience in public office. Now, 8 years later, we're told the opposite. A cynic might say people will say anything to get elected.
Again. You are a joke. How do you stimulate the economy and contribute to society. Potatoes? Seriously, have you ever created a business? Met a payroll? Accomplished something more significant than punching a clock? Your posts are so anti capitalism it's actually sickening. You must drive a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.
WTF are you talking about? Seriously? Are you high? I simply asked how, in his opinion, Trump was more qualified than Obama was 8 years ago. How does that question have anything to do with your incoherent rambling?
Um, that's not really a qualification. That's an opinion. My healthcare went up 18 cents a month this year after going about $1 last year. Of course, I live in a state that is fully participating so that keeps our costs down.
It should be a requirement to run for pubic off that you have met payroll for a minimum of 3 yrs. Then see how fast our tax code would get fixed.
That's my point. 8 years ago we were told that you really needed to have experience in public office to be POTUS. Now, apparently, you have to own a business for 3 years. It seems like you guys are just changing the "most important" qualification to meet your candidate.
The reality is, a good POTUS can come from any number of backgrounds. Ronald Reagan was an actor for Pete's sake. JFK was a career politician. The fact that Trump inherited a ton of money doesn't make him automatically more qualified to be president.
Was it his multiple poor business decisions that lead to bankruptcy? Or his ability to get free million dollar loans from daddy?
I make to much money to get anything from the government. Also liked going to my doctors. I will say this the 2 employees of mine that voted for free healthcare didn't really like it went they had to deal with the crap that's out there now. It was nice when the boss was paying for most of it. It's unfortunate for my other 8 employees though. I'll say this I don't think 2 of my employees will vote for freebies again.
Thanks for posting an article that backs up my facts.
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The Founding Fathers: A Brief Overview
The 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention were a distinguished body of men who represented a cross section of 18th-century American leadership. Almost all of them were well-educated men of means who were dominant in their communities and states, and many were also prominent in national affairs. Virtually every one had taken part in the Revolution; at least 29 had served in the Continental forces, most of them in positions of command.
Political Experience
The group, as a whole, had extensive political experience. At the time of the convention, four-fifths, or 41 individuals, were or had been members of the Continental Congress."
I do not know what you are contesting of my comment?
Well, that could part of the problem. If people thought they were voting for free health care they were morons because no one ever said anything about free health care.
More good than bad sounds like a fantastic endorsement.
Not everyone is cut out to run a business. Trump's father did quite well. Trump has lived off his father's success like so many successor trust fund babies. It's easier to have random success when you already have money and fame to get by on. What has he done in these debates besides spout random diarrhea of the mouth to pander to the current GOP party? Anyone who's endorsed by Sarah Palin is automatically disqualified for presidency IMO. Government positions are positions of power, and as they say, positions of power tend to attract sociopathic personalities.
Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders are the only two honest politicians running for office. Everyone else is simply running for their own legacy.
Answer this... "How do you create jobs and help stimulate the economy"? Try to use real economics vs Bernies freebie trees.
I don't really care, we could elect a chimpanzee and it would do better than the pathetic moron we have in there right now. That being said I would have to go with Trump (I wouldn't want to) Bernie is a nut who lives in utopia land.
Ok, now you're just pissing me off. Who the fvck are you to question me? You don't don't know jack shit about me. I've done a little bit of everything. I owned my own business for a while but I decided I didn't like the industry and it wasn't worth all the sweat for something I didn't really enjoy so I sold it. I worked in the public sector. I worked for small companies, large companies, I was employee 22 in a start up that eventually sold to Sprint for hundreds of millions. Now, I work for the largest company in the world in our space. I have a little over 5000 people that work in my group with total annual revenues of about $150 million in my group alone. Yes, MY group. I'm the EVP in charge of the group. All 5000 of those people are dependent on the performance of the group for their job. But, please, tell me how the only person who can understand economics or helps the economy is the person who currently owns a business.
Lol. You, the guy with the bird as an avatar can't handle a little direct conversation. Your self described bio indicates failure on the exact business accomplishments I was wondering if you had.
LOL. Sorry, how does it indicate failure? I would put my accomplishments in the business world up against yours any day.
Just checking in to refute this massive load of bullshit that you've dumped in order to make yourself feel better.
For the record, I write appeals for people who have been convicted of crimes. You know, ensuring that the courts follow the parts of the constitution that you never got around to reading. (Zing). That's also known as lawyering. I'm a big brother to a little brother in Big Brothers Big Sisters. I started a scholarship at my local high school in the name of a former Clemson player who mentored me when I was a child. I'm currently co-authoring the auto-biography of a former South Carolina politician, and I'm co-writing the memoir of the 12th man ever exonerated off of death row in the state of Texas.
I fundraise and contribute in a host of public and non-public ways that are none of your ****ing business. I do all of this while paying taxes and paying the government a stupid percentage of interest on the student loans they gave me so that I could go learn how to make sure our criminal trial courts are accountable.
That I have to write this stupid, ridiculous, self-aggrandizing post is annoying as ****, only because it was precipitated by your shit-tastic, haughty opinion.
And just for the record, from the non-partisan Pew Research Center, this:
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
Relevant parts highlighted because I don't trust a stupid **** like yourself to find them:
Education. Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees.
Democrats now hold a 12-point lead (52% to 40%) in leaned party identification among those with at least a college degree, up from just a four-point difference as recently as 2010 (48% to 44%). There has been less change since 2010 in the partisan leanings of those with less education.
The Democrats’ wide lead in partisan identification among highly-educated adults is largely the result of a growing advantage among those with any post-graduate experience. A majority (56%) of those who have attended graduate school identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with 36% who align with or lean toward the GOP.
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Fear not. The party of your choosing does very well in the old white men category. It does similarly well with people who don't know the difference between fascism, socialism, and communism. Also very strong numbers among people who don't know when to use their, they're, and there.
I'd suspect you hold a strong lead among rednecks who think a lot of themselves, and among those same rednecks who think that the government has already given too much to "the blacks" (insert whichever 1960s identifier for people of color that you might like to use on an hourly basis).
I'm certain there are smart, successful, well-adjusted people who for some reason vote for Republicans. It's likely because they're wealthy white men with brains wired for structure (or they were raised by one). I doubt you are among this group, no matter how much money you've happened to fall into.
Good post. This idea that only business owners actually contribute to society is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.
However, I'm most interested in this memoir. Tell me more about this guy. The 12th guy to be exonerated seems like an odd number to choose. What was so interesting about him that makes him worth telling his story?
Ain't it perfectly American that you can lead the primary for the Jesus party as a thrice-divorced casino owner who says he'd **** his own daughter if she weren't his and who can't even properly identify 2nd Corinthians, so long as you make a clear and convincing argument that you won't give the money and political power of old, rich white people away to those undeserving poors (and/or blacks, Latinos, Moslems, women, etc.).
Look at Obama's "experience" prior to 2008. A community organizer mostly who was a senator for a very short time who had no accomplishments at all as a Senator and who essentially began to run for President right after he was elected Senator. Give him credit for finding enough imbeciles stupid enough to vote for him but I'll take Trump's experience as vastly superior now than Obama in 2008
Wager on what? How are you going to evaluate? How do you define "success?" I'm perfectly happy with what I've accomplished. I've owned a business, I've done the start up thing and now work for the biggest company in the world in my space. Still waiting for you to explain how any of that is failure.
Anthony Graves. Weirdly, there is not currently a book written by a person who has been exonerated off of death row. It's only happened roughly 160 times in America. He believes that death row deteriorates the mind and body so much that writing a book about it is too much for an inmate to bear.
I believe his story is unique not only because of the elements, but because of his perspective. I've often wondered what it must be like to sit there and have a judge read a death sentence for a crime you didn't commit. What's it like to look at jurors and think, "They've got to figure this out, right?" Of course, he does a good job of outlining the different things that led to his wrongful conviction. Namely, his prosecutor withheld evidence, coerced false testimony, and did lots of other underhanded shit.
Of course, he's also a black guy in Texas in the 1990s who had 11 white men on his jury. His story's also remarkable for all that he's able to tell about what it's like to be on death row. He tells stories of watching a death row inmate pull his own eyeball out of the socket and eat it (!) because the guy just went crazy. My guy also discusses at length how he watched more than 100 men get executed during his 12 years on death row. Each time, it chipped away a little at his belief that the truth would eventually be revealed.
He was exonerated after a team of law students investigated his case. The federal court eventually granted him a new trial, and the prosecutor in his case has since been disbarred.
Anthony is remarkable to me, as well, for what he's done post-death row. A lot of those guys take their settlement money and struggle. He's formed a foundation to reform the justice system, and created a mobile health clinic for poor parts of the city. He's spoken to congress and been on every national medium one can imagine. Even won an Emmy for a documentary on 48 Hours. He has an inspiring hopefulness about it all, and tells his story in a way that you feel like you can tackle anything if he could survive death row.
Overall, I just feel extremely lucky to get to work with him. It's been a dream come true not only to write a book, but to write this book.
I think that finger just pisses me off. No worries. It's unlikely we'll ever actually meet so it's all for not. I get annoyed because I have actually taken a start up to big business, all while risking it all. So I've experienced failure, success, failure, success... to a level that most can't appreciate and that's all do to capitalism. NOT BERNIE. The liberal camp is concerning, the Bernie camp is disturbing.
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Interesting. Sounds like a compelling story. For some reason, when you originally posted I didn't realize he was still alive. I just can't imagine being in that situation. I'm going to read that when it comes out.
It's beyond comprehension. The guy picked out his last meal on two separate occasions. That fact was really the one that made me gulp.
Oh my God. I can't even imagine. Twice? Goodness gracious. That is just unimaginable to me.
Do you know what its going to be called or when its supposed to come out?
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