OT: SC state superintendent for school

[Bobcatsnell]

Mind was blown that one candidate, Weaver, has never been in the classroom for teaching, administration, instructional but wants to be superintendent. Also just didn’t completed her masters in 6 months because it’s a requirement to be eligible to be superintendent of schools. Just nuts the people that will probably vote on a party line. Please check this out before next week regardless of party affiliation. Our state, SC, for most of us, is way behind in education in all facets.

look into Ellis vs weaver in this running. Just fyi I vote along a lot of red lines but not this time.

 

[Esso Porch]

I don't live in SC and am not in education but your avatar cracks me up

Also I look forward to this being a nice civil thread with a lot of well thought out points and respectful discussion

 

[Bobcatsnell]

I don't live in SC and am not in education but your avatar cracks me up

Also I look forward to this being a nice civil thread with a lot of well thought out points and respectful discussion

I appreciate that and this could go over well or like a fart in church, we will see.

 

[Lot4tailgater]

Every teacher, school admin, and school district employee that I’ve talked about this with is behind Ellis. I know quite a few as every member of my family is either a retired or current school or district employee. Pretty telling if you ask me.

That said, I don’t think this one will be all that close. Running on a statewide ticket as a democrat in SC is tough. Takes a special candidate with a big war chest. I have never, and I will never, voted for a straight party. Too many people do though.

 

[LC4R TIGER]

Mind was blown that one candidate, Weaver, has never been in the classroom for teaching, administration, instructional but wants to be superintendent. Also just didn’t completed her masters in 6 months because it’s a requirement to be eligible to be superintendent of schools. Just nuts the people that will probably vote on a party line. Please check this out before next week regardless of party affiliation. Our state, SC, for most of us, is way behind in education in all facets.

look into Ellis vs weaver in this running. Just fyi I vote along a lot of red lines but not this time.

Did you look at her career/accomplishments , positions of leadership she's been in?? But yet her opponent has been a teacher in the classroom and that qualifies her ?? Strange line of thinking

 

[Howard's Jock]

Lisa Ellis brother and i went to hammond together and he played catcher on one of clemsons world series teams. great family.

 

[MBRO]

Pretty stark contrast:

Lisa Ellis

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Ellen Weaver

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[Joe Cobb]

State superintendent of education shouldn’t be affiliated with a political party IMO.

 

[Bobcatsnell]

Did you look at her career/accomplishments , positions of leadership she's been in?? But yet her opponent has been a teacher in the classroom and that qualifies her ?? Strange line of thinking

I don’t know if tagging along to Jim demint just screams qualified to me. I just think it should be someone who has been in the situation of being in front of children and also teaching/been through district ranks and seen the state throughout. Not saying weaver isn’t qualified but not the most qualified. Just my two cents.

 

[Lower Deck Tiger]

I actually watched the debate the other night to figure out these two candidates. Weaver actually addresses removing pornographic and CRT books. The other candidate did not. My vote is for protecting the minds of young children so voting for Weaver.

my two cents

 

[Bobcatsnell]

State superintendent of education shouldn’t be affiliated with a political party IMO.

People will vote party lines and have no clue, I agree. Should just be names on the ballot.

 

[Cavitybacks]

Why would the State Superintendent align with a party?

If I’m being honest, someone aligned with the current Democratic Party making decisions about what my young children may or may not be exposed to scares the hell out of me.

And that’s probably not fair to Ellis because she may have really strong family values. Just a shame that you have to align your thoughts with one side.

 

[scotchtiger]

Pretty stark contrast:

Lisa Ellis

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Ellen Weaver

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

I haven’t researched these candidates much yet, but I found your links interesting. Here are each candidate’s “3 key messages:”

Ellis

• Every child deserves a high quality education.
• Teachers and school support staff need higher salaries and better working conditions.
• School funding has to be addressed.

Weaver

• We must focus on foundational skills. Too many students are behind in basic math and reading skills. This is an urgent situation. We must prioritize these foundational skills which children need to be successful in other vitally important subject areas like history, the sciences, and the arts. This means a strong focus on phonics and knowledge-building—the proven science of reading—especially in the early grades.
• We've got to restore classroom discipline. Unfortunately, Washington bureaucrats have far too much say in our discipline practices, which means that our teachers aren’t allowed to maintain control over their own classrooms. South Carolina must intentionally cultivate, coach, and empower teachers to be the CEOs of their classrooms and principals to be CEO’s of their schools. We must also give teachers a safe, anonymous way to speak out about issues in their classrooms: teachers must be heard.
• It's time to expand education choices. Whether it’s traditional public, public charter or magnet, private, home school, or any of the growing array of high-quality hybrid options, we must ensure that parents of every income level can choose the right environment to support the safety, well-being, values, and unique educational needs of their child.

Maybe this doesn’t accurately capture their positions, but Ellis basically just says to spend more money. That’s not exactly a plan. And I guess campaigning on higher teacher salaries is a good way to get educator support.

 

[Bobcatsnell]

I haven’t researched these candidates much yet, but I found your links interesting. Here are each candidate’s “3 key messages:”

Ellis

• Every child deserves a high quality education.
• Teachers and school support staff need higher salaries and better working conditions.
• School funding has to be addressed.

Weaver

• We must focus on foundational skills. Too many students are behind in basic math and reading skills. This is an urgent situation. We must prioritize these foundational skills which children need to be successful in other vitally important subject areas like history, the sciences, and the arts. This means a strong focus on phonics and knowledge-building—the proven science of reading—especially in the early grades.
• We've got to restore classroom discipline. Unfortunately, Washington bureaucrats have far too much say in our discipline practices, which means that our teachers aren’t allowed to maintain control over their own classrooms. South Carolina must intentionally cultivate, coach, and empower teachers to be the CEOs of their classrooms and principals to be CEO’s of their schools. We must also give teachers a safe, anonymous way to speak out about issues in their classrooms: teachers must be heard.
• It's time to expand education choices. Whether it’s traditional public, public charter or magnet, private, home school, or any of the growing array of high-quality hybrid options, we must ensure that parents of every income level can choose the right environment to support the safety, well-being, values, and unique educational needs of their child.

Maybe this doesn’t accurately capture their positions, but Ellis basically just says to spend more money. That’s not exactly a plan. And I guess campaigning on higher teacher salaries is a good way to get educator support.

Ellis seems to want to check the fiscal spending and not center so much money at school district offices but make sure funding goes to the right hands which is hard to do in any type of government. I don’t agree with weaver and school choice especially private or charter because if you make it school of choice all the way around, government funding goes to every school and it shouldn’t. Just my observations I am not in education

 

[tgrharley]

Mind was blown that one candidate, Weaver, has never been in the classroom for teaching, administration, instructional but wants to be superintendent. Also just didn’t completed her masters in 6 months because it’s a requirement to be eligible to be superintendent of schools. Just nuts the people that will probably vote on a party line. Please check this out before next week regardless of party affiliation. Our state, SC, for most of us, is way behind in education in all facets.

look into Ellis vs weaver in this running. Just fyi I vote along a lot of red lines but not this time.

almost as strange as a senate candidate who suffered a stroke and can barely speak or function leading in a race. Doesnt seem to concern his party or the media.

 

[CU Alumnus]

I'm torn on this one. I have concerns on Weaver. But I also don't 100% think that teachers make the best administrators. Some do, some don't.

One thing on Ellis I found interesting is she has a Master's degree in Forest Resource Management from Clemson. Strange, but it shows she might be more well rounded.

 

[CU Alumnus]

I haven’t researched these candidates much yet, but I found your links interesting. Here are each candidate’s “3 key messages:”

Ellis

• Every child deserves a high quality education.
• Teachers and school support staff need higher salaries and better working conditions.
• School funding has to be addressed.

Weaver

• We must focus on foundational skills. Too many students are behind in basic math and reading skills. This is an urgent situation. We must prioritize these foundational skills which children need to be successful in other vitally important subject areas like history, the sciences, and the arts. This means a strong focus on phonics and knowledge-building—the proven science of reading—especially in the early grades.
• We've got to restore classroom discipline. Unfortunately, Washington bureaucrats have far too much say in our discipline practices, which means that our teachers aren’t allowed to maintain control over their own classrooms. South Carolina must intentionally cultivate, coach, and empower teachers to be the CEOs of their classrooms and principals to be CEO’s of their schools. We must also give teachers a safe, anonymous way to speak out about issues in their classrooms: teachers must be heard.
• It's time to expand education choices. Whether it’s traditional public, public charter or magnet, private, home school, or any of the growing array of high-quality hybrid options, we must ensure that parents of every income level can choose the right environment to support the safety, well-being, values, and unique educational needs of their child.

Maybe this doesn’t accurately capture their positions, but Ellis basically just says to spend more money. That’s not exactly a plan. And I guess campaigning on higher teacher salaries is a good way to get educator support.

Strongly agree on Weaver's points, but also agree with Ellis'.

I get the arguments against school choice, but I used it to send my son to a better elementary school. It was within the same district but a different zone. And I would do it again.

I disagree with forcing a parent to send their kids to a shvtbox school because of where they live. Where I do NOT agree is with the vouchers for private schools. Many of those are a bad joke.

 

[CU_4734]

I have never voted democrat in my life until yesterday. I voted for Ellis and Cunningham. I strongly disagree with Weaver being allowed to be on the ballot and certainly think she is as under qualified as it gets. Sure I agree that teachers don’t make the best administrators. But how do we expect Weaver to do the most important part of her job: budgeting? She’s never had to nor has she been involved in any conversations about budgeting for a district or even a school. And now we’re going to ask her to do it for a state?

 

[scotchtiger]

Strongly agree on Weaver's points, but also agree with Ellis'.

I get the arguments against school choice, but I used it to send my son to a better elementary school. It was within the same district but a different zone. And I would do it again.

I disagree with forcing a parent to send their kids to a shvtbox school because of where they live. Where I do NOT agree is with the vouchers for private schools. Many of those are a bad joke.

I get school choice also and generally think it’s a good idea. However, we need to ensure that it does not infringe on those who actually live in the area zoned to a school. We’re running into this with the new HS in Mt. Pleasant. It took some school choice kids, along with kids whose parents fraudulently claimed residence, and now there is a capacity issue.

School choice should be limited to excess capacity only after the actual residents paying the local taxes (both based on rates and elevated home values for better school zones) are able to comfortably attend those schools.

 

[Cavitybacks]

I get school choice also and generally think it’s a good idea. However, we need to ensure that it does not infringe on those who actually live in the area zoned to a school. We’re running into this with the new HS in Mt. Pleasant. It took some school choice kids, along with kids whose parents fraudulently claimed residence, and now there is a capacity issue.

School choice should be limited to excess capacity only after the actual residents paying the local taxes (both based on rates and elevated home values for better school zones) are able to comfortably attend those schools.

Yeah school choice in Greenville is basically pointless because the “good schools” are full anyway from the neighborhood kids.

Even if you want to go to a certain school…no chance you’re getting in.

 

[yoshi121374]

To give some background on this. Weaver is completely unqualified and it's disgraceful that she in on the ballot at all. She just got a completely fake Masters degree from BJU to be able to be qualified for the ballot at all. She is an example of someone who literally parrots the talking points of the right, and that is all it takes.

What's sad about this race is the other Republican candidate in the primary was far more qualified, had actually worked in schools, and was qualified. Weaver won by screaming about CRT and Common Core. Neither of which are taught in South Carolina.

This race is just sad. Lisa Ellis is more liberal than I am, but at least she is actually aulified legally. Weaver is bought and paid for by the private schools such as BJU who depend on vouchers to even function.

 

[Bobcatsnell]

To give some background on this. Weaver is completely unqualified and it's disgraceful that she in on the ballot at all. She just got a completely fake Masters degree from BJU to be able to be qualified for the ballot at all. She is an example of someone who literally parrots the talking points of the right, and that is all it takes.

What's sad about this race is the other Republican candidate in the primary was far more qualified, had actually worked in schools, and was qualified. Weaver won by screaming about CRT and Common Core. Neither of which are taught in South Carolina.

This race is just sad. Lisa Ellis is more liberal than I am, but at least she is actually aulified legally. Weaver is bought and paid for by the private schools such as BJU who depend on vouchers to even function.

Our political views probably differ, which is totally okay, but You’re dead on with this one. Ellis has my vote for sure.

 

[yoshi121374]

Our political views probably differ, which is totally okay, but You’re dead on with this one. Ellis has my vote for sure.

Exactly. Let's take party out of it and let's consider if you were hiring these two candidates for a job. What in the world would lead someone to think Weaver is the better qualified our prepared candidate.

Not to mention she has absolutely no depth to any of her answers. She can say talking points,but has literally no practice knowledge of the challenges that teachers and administrators daily.

 

[fcctiger12]

I haven’t researched these candidates much yet, but I found your links interesting. Here are each candidate’s “3 key messages:”

Ellis

• Every child deserves a high quality education.
• Teachers and school support staff need higher salaries and better working conditions.
• School funding has to be addressed.

Weaver

• We must focus on foundational skills. Too many students are behind in basic math and reading skills. This is an urgent situation. We must prioritize these foundational skills which children need to be successful in other vitally important subject areas like history, the sciences, and the arts. This means a strong focus on phonics and knowledge-building—the proven science of reading—especially in the early grades.
• We've got to restore classroom discipline. Unfortunately, Washington bureaucrats have far too much say in our discipline practices, which means that our teachers aren’t allowed to maintain control over their own classrooms. South Carolina must intentionally cultivate, coach, and empower teachers to be the CEOs of their classrooms and principals to be CEO’s of their schools. We must also give teachers a safe, anonymous way to speak out about issues in their classrooms: teachers must be heard.
• It's time to expand education choices. Whether it’s traditional public, public charter or magnet, private, home school, or any of the growing array of high-quality hybrid options, we must ensure that parents of every income level can choose the right environment to support the safety, well-being, values, and unique educational needs of their child.

Maybe this doesn’t accurately capture their positions, but Ellis basically just says to spend more money. That’s not exactly a plan. And I guess campaigning on higher teacher salaries is a good way to get educator support.

Any additional knowledge here and you'd realize that Weaver's talking points are complete horseshit designed to sell someone with no experience to a bunch of Republicans that care more about party loyalty than actually solving issues.

 

[fcctiger12]

To give some background on this. Weaver is completely unqualified and it's disgraceful that she in on the ballot at all. She just got a completely fake Masters degree from BJU to be able to be qualified for the ballot at all. She is an example of someone who literally parrots the talking points of the right, and that is all it takes.

What's sad about this race is the other Republican candidate in the primary was far more qualified, had actually worked in schools, and was qualified. Weaver won by screaming about CRT and Common Core. Neither of which are taught in South Carolina.

This race is just sad. Lisa Ellis is more liberal than I am, but at least she is actually aulified legally. Weaver is bought and paid for by the private schools such as BJU who depend on vouchers to even function.

Agreed 100% with everything here. Voted for Kathy Maness in the primary because she was the moderate with teaching experience that would've done a great job in the position. Now we are going to be stuck with a ****ing poly sci graduate from Bob Jones in charge of the state's education. Ridiculous.

 

[yoshi121374]

Agreed 100% with everything here. Voted for Kathy Maness in the primary because she was the moderate with teaching experience that would've done a great job in the position. Now we are going to be stuck with a ****ing poly sci graduate from Bob Jones in charge of the state's education. Ridiculous.

Exactly. Maness was the best option,but she didn't scream about Critical Race Theory, Homosexuality and the other scare tactics. She wasn't supported by Demint and the other big money Maga types and she got creamed.

We are gonna end up with a complete idiot that is unprepared, unqualified,and literally looks like the "Karen" memes.

 

[Bobcatsnell]

Exactly. Let's take party out of it and let's consider if you were hiring these two candidates for a job. What in the world would lead someone to think Weaver is the better qualified our prepared candidate.

Not to mention she has absolutely no depth to any of her answers. She can say talking points,but has literally no practice knowledge of the challenges that teachers and administrators daily.

Yeah because this shouldn’t a party affiliation job to begin with. Weaver has memorized talking points and that’s it with no substance. She is just big funded in SC, wasting time and money.

 

[scotchtiger]

Exactly. Maness was the best option,but she didn't scream about Critical Race Theory, Homosexuality and the other scare tactics. She wasn't supported by Demint and the other big money Maga types and she got creamed.

We are gonna end up with a complete idiot that is unprepared, unqualified,and literally looks like the "Karen" memes.

That seems to be the case. It's frustrating to see poor candidates make it out of the primary. Because now you have 2 bad options - unqualified or liberal. Both sad choices.

 

[yoshi121374]

That seems to be the case. It's frustrating to see poor candidates make it out of the primary. Because now you have 2 bad options - unqualified or liberal. Both sad choices.

Exactly. The moderates, particularly on the right keep getting creamed by the MAGA candidates. The electorate has got to demand better. I would have voted Maness all day over Ellis,but no way will I vote for Weaver.

 

[Tiger Guru]

I'd like to ask them:

Which one will support the shutdown of schools again?
Which one supports grooming of children?



If I knew the answer to those questions, it would certainly help my voting. Maybe one of you guys could help?

 

[Tiger Guru]

@dpic73

If this country tuns into China, are you ok with that as long as it's Democrats who win? Or do you want to be like China? You ok with grooming kids? You support pedophilia? You support Antifa?

Maybe, I'm the crazy one. Maybe this is your goal and we don't know it.

What's your ideal America? Something that would make you proud. What's that?

Educate me, please sir.

 

[dpic73]

@dpic73

If this country tuns into China, are you ok with that as long as it's Democrats who win? Or do you want to be like China? You ok with grooming kids? You support pedophilia? You support Antifa?

Maybe, I'm the crazy one. Maybe this is your goal and we don't know it.

What's your ideal America? Something that would make you proud. What's that?

Educate me, please sir.

How to say your mind has been corrupted by fake news without saying your mind has been corrupted by fake news. You're a moron trying to dirty up this thread with nonsense.

 

[PawsFan_]

Weaver won by screaming about CRT and Common Core. Neither of which are taught in South Carolina.

??????

Common Core is absolutely used in SC. And while "CRT isn't used formally, ask your kids some history questions and listen to their responses. I got an earful one night from my daughter on how evil Chris Columbus was.

 

[yoshi121374]

??????

Common Core is absolutely used in SC. And while "CRT isn't used formally, ask your kids some history questions and listen to their responses. I got an earful one night from my daughter on how evil Chris Columbus was.

No it's not. Common Core is not part of the curriculum in South Carolina.

That is 100% false.

Standards

Effective early learning environments provide the foundation for young learners. Early childhood classroom environments must promote multiple and varied opportunities for young learners to develop and enhance their knowledge, skills, dispositions, and feelings. Information, website links, and...

ed.sc.gov

South Carolina

www.lawhelp.org

 

[yoshi121374]

??????

Common Core is absolutely used in SC. And while "CRT isn't used formally, ask your kids some history questions and listen to their responses. I got an earful one night from my daughter on how evil Chris Columbus was.

Also. Christopher Columbus and the Spaniards were not pleasant to the native people's that they met during their conquests. Not sure how that's debatable, or really much of an issue. That's historically accurate.

 

[dpic73]

??????

Common Core is absolutely used in SC. And while "CRT isn't used formally, ask your kids some history questions and listen to their responses. I got an earful one night from my daughter on how evil Chris Columbus was.

LMAO that Columbus has anything to do with CRT. More proof that the Right will call anything they don't like CRT. 😅

 

[97ClemsonMac]

Mind was blown that one candidate, Weaver, has never been in the classroom for teaching, administration, instructional but wants to be superintendent. Also just didn’t completed her masters in 6 months because it’s a requirement to be eligible to be superintendent of schools. Just nuts the people that will probably vote on a party line. Please check this out before next week regardless of party affiliation. Our state, SC, for most of us, is way behind in education in all facets.

look into Ellis vs weaver in this running. Just fyi I vote along a lot of red lines but not this time.

Agreed will not be voting for Weaver

 

[WapPride]

??????

Common Core is absolutely used in SC. And while "CRT isn't used formally, ask your kids some history questions and listen to their responses. I got an earful one night from my daughter on how evil Chris Columbus was.

um christopher columbus was absolutely a ****ing awful person

 

[yoshi121374]

um christopher columbus was absolutely a ****ing awful person

This what kills me. If learning that Columbus was a pretty terrible person to the peoples he encountered is considered CRT, then I'm not sure what the issue is.

That's not Critical Race Theory, it's historical accuracy. Do we want to teach history, or edited whitewashing?

 

[Clemson Goat]

I don’t know if tagging along to Jim demint just screams qualified to me. I just think it should be someone who has been in the situation of being in front of children and also teaching/been through district ranks and seen the state throughout. Not saying weaver isn’t qualified but not the most qualified. Just my two cents.

Using your theory Dabo would not be our HC.