I think it's much more complicated than that. Conspiracies are a coping mechanism for them. Having everything boiled down to an "easy" answer is comforting.
OT: The vaccine is basically a flu shot
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Great let's just stay away from each other and wear masks forever then. Don't forget that big mac or 6 pack of alcohol at the corner spot on every street in America
Fauci has changed his position on more things about this virus than any “expert” should need to. He is loving his time in the spotlight and throwing things against the wall to see who will follow him.
Gotta wear 3 masks now...even after vaccination. Also it's mandatory to watch cnn at least 2 hours a day
But the family of coronaviruses have proven to be relatively stable and do not mutate as rapidly as flu viruses.
Additionally, there are literally dozens of flu strains that are all mutating every year.
Nobody knows how long immunity will last and nobody knows if the virus will mutate enough to render the current vaccine useless.
It could be as effective as the polio vaccine but that doesn't make big pharma enough money so of course they will encourage people to get a shot yearly.
Exactly, TWO times today, a guy and I where standing 5 feet apart. Im pretty sure Im going to die. Prayers sent.
^^^^^^^^^^THIS
Wanna get back to normal? Then get the vaccine. Until enough people get the vaccine that we can reach herd immunity, everyone, even vaccinated people will have to take precautions.
Also, until that time, the virus is going to be able to mutate more quickly, and require more frequent boosters.
Even then, as long as the virus is able to mutate, it very well may require regular boosters like the flu does. But, the vaccine keeps you from DYING from COVID. Like the flu shot, it doesn't necessarily keep you from getting COVID, but it has been shown to be nearly 100% effective at preventing deaths, which is the primary and most important goal.
I honestly can't remember the last time I was sick, ill take my chances
This.
One thing is for sure: this pandemic has definitely outed a large number of low IQ individuals on this board. It’s pretty astonishing.
Bottom line, things don’t go back to normal until we can get back to a containment strategy. We should be using every means to get to that point.
That includes vaccines, masks, hand washing, social distancing, hiding in caves...literally everything that reduces cases. Frankly, it’s hard to imagine anyone who wouldn’t want us to use all means at our disposal.
That includes vaccines, masks, hand washing, social distancing, hiding in caves...literally everything that reduces cases. Frankly, it’s hard to imagine anyone who wouldn’t want us to use all means at our disposal.
Yes. Just a few exceptions like measles, mumps, polio, smallpox, Rubella, and chickenpox. Presumed lifetime for those puppies.
I see some cognitive dissonance going on. Something like ressentiment. But I don't think you're wrong.
Someone already added all the key viruses that act differently ... dont lump all viruses together, much like you shouldnt lump all bacteria together in terms of the antibiotics they are treated with. Most people dont think about it but classes of bacteria are treated differently as well and with some being more likely to develop resistance to treatment than others just as viruses do with mutations.
I'm more concerned about by cholesterol and body mass index.
Right, changing recommendations based on new information. How dare he.
Can anyone here tell me how many people died of the flu and pneumonia each year? How does that compare with current death levels of Covid? Just as I have been vaccinated for Covid, pneumonia, and the current guess on flu, others elect to have none of the three.
Having had Covid or getting the shot provides some immunity to the new variants. You can get the new variants, but will be less likely to get severely sick or die from it. In my book, that puts Covid in the same category as the flu. Pneumonia is a killer of the old (the Angel of Death in Nursing Homes) and it also kills many younger people. At some point the masks need to come off and life resume. As a society we have lived with a certain level of deaths from both the flu and pneumonia. Now Covid falls into that category. At least there is an option for those who want to keep from getting sick. As to the shots for Covid variants, that is going to be guesswork, just like the flu vaccine.
Having had Covid or getting the shot provides some immunity to the new variants. You can get the new variants, but will be less likely to get severely sick or die from it. In my book, that puts Covid in the same category as the flu. Pneumonia is a killer of the old (the Angel of Death in Nursing Homes) and it also kills many younger people. At some point the masks need to come off and life resume. As a society we have lived with a certain level of deaths from both the flu and pneumonia. Now Covid falls into that category. At least there is an option for those who want to keep from getting sick. As to the shots for Covid variants, that is going to be guesswork, just like the flu vaccine.
After my second dose I had a fever for 2 days. And didn’t fully recover for 3 days. So I won’t be getting another. I’ll take my chances with Covid next year...
Check out the new research on cholesterol. They are saying now that cholesterol is just a by product of inflammation that you already have. Your cells which are made of cholesterol is just trying to fix the real issue of inflammation in arteries. Also new studies say saturated fat isn’t bad at all, it’s sugar that causes heart disease. A lot of new information coming out on these topics.
I'm not a people person anyway, so unless it's a hot female, I prefer that people not violate my personal space. I do agree that masks are inconvenient and will end up in the oceans and landfills, but it wouldn't be a bad idea if people wore them in stores or on mass transportation during traditional cold and flu seasons. It was great not catching any colds this year.
There was no “new” information when he initially said (lied) that the public did not need to wear masks. Just one example. There are many more if you really want to go back and look.
Yep - And many people have no idea of how bacteria and viruses differ and how they are treated.
Could it be that cities that did it the most are also the most densely populated? Naw couldn’t be that...
There is no doubt masks help, vaccine helps, social distancing helps. Staying in your home alone in a hermetically sealed room helps. But what do you give up for all of this? I think we should all do our part to help stop the spread, but what is considered your part?
Let me ask this. How do you treat sex concerning trying to not have a child, assuming you would not have an abortion.
Unprotected sex is maybe 25% effective (just spitballing here). Condoms are 99.9% effective. birth control pills add some level of success as well, so you can get to 99.999%. Assuming you are as skilled at wearing a condom as you are at putting on a mask. But if you are a sexually active adult, why are you not practicing abstinence, which is 100% effective. Why even risk pregnancy even though you can do things to lower your chances?
The issue is the fear mongering that goes on for the COVID, and the government shut downs and regulations. Our kids losing a year of school. I would bet that many would not complain about wearing a mask if things were open. This whole thing was blown way out of proportion in a money grab and political sledge hammer, in which the main stream media piled on.
Let me ask this. How do you treat sex concerning trying to not have a child, assuming you would not have an abortion.
Unprotected sex is maybe 25% effective (just spitballing here). Condoms are 99.9% effective. birth control pills add some level of success as well, so you can get to 99.999%. Assuming you are as skilled at wearing a condom as you are at putting on a mask. But if you are a sexually active adult, why are you not practicing abstinence, which is 100% effective. Why even risk pregnancy even though you can do things to lower your chances?
The issue is the fear mongering that goes on for the COVID, and the government shut downs and regulations. Our kids losing a year of school. I would bet that many would not complain about wearing a mask if things were open. This whole thing was blown way out of proportion in a money grab and political sledge hammer, in which the main stream media piled on.
All information was new when he said that. Once they researched how COVID was spread they then recommended masks. I can’t believe this is so hard for people to understand.
While I agree masks can help prevent the spread of viruses most people don't use a mask properly. They constantly touch it and move it around and often dispose of them improperly. In a perfect world what you are saying would make sense.
There is also a flip side to social distancing, we've seen suicide rates, child abuse at home, drug and alcohol addiction, mental illness, depression, ect. all.sky rocket the past year. Those things should bother you and are a result of lockdowns.
You do realize you can always wear your mask forever if you choose, that will protect you, but to require them in stores or mass transportation is not the America I want to live in. China welcomes you with open arms.
Maybe in waiting rooms, nursing homes or hospitals, those type environments make sense because you have elderly patients or patients with existing health conditions.
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This is not true. Suicides actually decreased in the US in 2020.
The study you and most main stream outlets are talking about right now is primarily looking at data through July of 2020. Lockdowns have severe mental health consequences, and other consequences like I mentioned above. There is a reason why health experts have warned against further lockdowns
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Total number of suicides for 2020 was down 5%. Accidental drug overdoses were up. There’s some truth in what you’re saying but suicide rates did not skyrocket.
The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020
This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.
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The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020
This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.
The article you posted says provisional data for 2020 through June does it not? If I'm wrong I will stand corrected but I don't think we have data through 2020 yet.
"Increases in other leading causes, especially heart disease, Alzheimer disease, and diabetes, may also reflect disruptions in health care that hampered early detection and disease management. Increases in unintentional injury deaths in 2020 were largely driven by drug overdose deaths. Final mortality data will help determine the effect of the pandemic on concurrent trends in drug overdose deaths.
Provisional, national mortality data show that the COVID-19 pandemic substantially affected mortality in 2020. Early estimates of life expectancy at birth, based on provisional data for January to June 2020, show historic declines not seen since World War II (1942-1943)."
You’re correct, these are provisional. So maybe you’re right and there’s a significant uptick in suicides post June, but most “lockdowns” were over by then so you’d probably have to get more localized data to make the case that an increase in suicides from june-december were related to lockdowns. This seems to indicate that when full on lockdowns were going on in most places across the country, suicides decreased.
Accidental deaths related to overdoses, drunk driving, etc. did increase. So again, there’s some merit to what you’re saying. I’d probably argue though that things like opioid addiction and alcoholism and mental health are issues that far proceeded any Covid restrictions and are more systemic.
I think there’s also something to be said for the ever present daily conflict and division that Americans seemed to be in for the last year that would have also contributed to anxiety/depression/mental health issues that could also have lead to an increase in drug and alcohol use. I don’t think its fair to conclude that an increase in these things is solely related to covid related lockdowns.
I'm a firm believer that the conflict and division in this country you describe is a direct result of Americans having most of their discussions on politics, religion, morality, etc. online (e.g., here, tMB) rather than in person. That certainly was occurring prior to COVID, but I think the isolation COVID forced on us amplified this quite a bit.
