Raid on Home of Former Trump DOJ Official Jeffrey Clark Was Part of Nationwide FBI Raids on Republicans

[TigerGrowls]

The new American Gestapo at work.

Raid on Home of Former Trump DOJ Official Jeffrey Clark Was Part of Nationwide FBI Raids on Republicans (Clark on Tucker Carlson: Video) | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

Former Trump Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight on the Fox News Channel Thursday night to talk about the dawn FBI raid on his Northern Virginia home Wednesday.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

By Kristinn Taylor
Published June 23, 2022 at 10:54pm
Former Trump Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight on the Fox News Channel Thursday night to talk about the dawn FBI raid on his Northern Virginia home Wednesday. Clark said the agents made him go outside in his pajamas while they searched his house. Clark said twelve FBI agents, two Fairfax County police officers and an ‘electronic sniffer dog’ searched his house for over three hours. All his electronic devices were seized.

Clark said the raid was part of nationwide “Stasi-like” raids by the FBI on Republicans involved in helping President Trump to stop the steal of the 2020 presidential election.
Local news reports out of Nevada and Pennsylvania as well as the Washington Post, confirm the nationwide action by the feds.
Mediaite reported on the Clark’s appearance (excerpt):
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“At what point can we say the Department of Justice, where you once served, is a political instrument, it’s completely out of control?” Carlson asked.
“Yeah, I think this is highly politicized and it’s also part, Tucker if you didn’t know it, of a nationwide effort yesterday,” Clark replied. “There were multiple states where multiple people were roughly simultaneously raided for their electronic devices. And that obviously requires a high level of coordination.”
Clark added, “I just think we’re living in an era that I don’t recognize and increasingly, Tucker, I don’t recognize the country anymore with these Stasi-like things happening.”

Video of Clark on Tucker Carlson Tonight:



KLAS-TV reported on FBI raids in Nevada (excerpt):

FBI agents served a search warrant Wednesday on Nevada’s top GOP official, sources told the 8 News Now I-Team’s George Knapp.
Agents seized the cell phone of state Republican chairman Michael McDonald, reportedly as part of an investigation into the fake elector scheme initiated at the end of the 2020 presidential election.
A second search warrant was issued for state party secretary James DeGraffenreid, who also signed the document, but FBI agents could not locate him Wednesday, sources told Knapp.
In December 2020, the 8 News Now I-Team reported the Nevada Republican Party’s six electors signed paperwork signaling their support for former President Donald Trump in a symbolic ceremony devoid of any legal merit, which was held in Carson City and coincided with the official state-sanctioned tally on Dec. 14, 2020.

KLAS reported Thursday, “ELECTION INVESTIGATION: FBI agents are tracking down all six of the Nevada GOP’s electors as part of a federal investigation, sources tell the 8 News Now I-Team #8NN”

ELECTION INVESTIGATION: FBI agents are tracking down all six of the Nevada GOP’s electors as part of a federal investigation, sources tell the 8 News Now I-Team #8NN https://t.co/BEaPY8gP66
— 8 News Now (@8NewsNow) June 23, 2022

The Washington Post reported on more raids (excerpt):

The Justice Department’s investigation of the Jan. 6 attack ratcheted up Wednesday as federal agents dropped subpoenas on people in at least two states, in what appeared to be a widening probe of how political activists supporting President Donald Trump tried to use invalid electors to thwart Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory.
FBI officials confirmed to The Washington Post that agents conducted court authorized law enforcement activity Wednesday morning at two locations — one the address of Brad Carver, a Georgia lawyer who allegedly signed a document claiming to be a Trump elector, and another the Virginia home of Thomas Lane, who worked on the Trump campaign’s efforts in Arizona and New Mexico. The FBI officials did not identify the people associated with those addresses, but public records list each of the locations as the home addresses of the men.
…FBI agents delivered a subpoena to Lane Wednesday morning at his home in Virginia, according to a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. After leaving the Trump campaign, Lane has worked for the Republican National Committee’s election efforts in Virginia, this person said. Public records list an address for Lane in south Arlington, and an FBI spokeswoman confirmed agents conducted “court-authorized law enforcement activity” at that address this morning.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported on yet another FBI raid (excerpt):

FBI agents interviewed the chairman of the Allegheny County Republican Party at his home early Thursday morning as part of a nationwide investigation into former President Donald Trump’s attempt to send alternate electors from key swing states to Washington to overturn the 2020 election.
Agents spent about an hour at party chairman Sam DeMarco’s Oakdale home and served him with a subpoena for communications between him, members of the Trump campaign and legal team, and Trump electors in Pennsylvania, Mr. DeMarco told the Post-Gazette on Thursday.
“I’ll certainly comply with their request,” Mr. DeMarco said. He has until July 8 to turn over emails, texts and any written correspondence, he said.
Mr. DeMarco said he didn’t have direct contact with Mr. Trump’s campaign or the legal team led by Rudy Giuliani, just with the other 19 Trump electors.

As mentioned in the Clark interview, Trump-hating, fired corrupt former FBI agent Peter Strzok commented on the raids and mocked Clark, “From Virginia to Nevada today, several coordinated subpoenas and search warrants served and executed by the FBI and DOJ surrounding fake elector scheme. Sure doesn’t feel like a “nothingburger.”…“Federal investigators descended on the home of Jeffrey Clark, a former DOJ official, on Wed in connection with the department’s sprawling inquiry into efforts to overturn the 2020 election” Increasingly large FBI/DOJ scope. Even more activity to come?

https://t.co/IIC8Z8mSIG
“Federal investigators descended on the home of Jeffrey Clark, a former DOJ official, on Wed in connection with the department’s sprawling inquiry into efforts to overturn the 2020 election”
Increasingly large FBI/DOJ scope. Even more activity to come? https://t.co/ZbGm2895W6
— Peter Strzok (@petestrzok) June 23, 2022

When the Feds seize your iPhone pic.twitter.com/QntX10Wa1v
— Peter Strzok (@petestrzok) June 23, 2022

Also as mentioned in Clark’s interview, actor Sean Penn attended Thursday’s Congressional hearing by the January 6th Committee with former Capitol Police officer Michael Fanone.

Former Washington police officer Michael Fanone, assaulted during the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, and actor Sean Penn attend one of the congressional hearings on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C.. More photos: https://t.co/9p48drYRf0 📷 Jonathan Ernst pic.twitter.com/AIMJdKy7Tg
— Reuters Pictures (@reuterspictures) June 23, 2022

UPDATE: Late Thursday night, WDIV-TV reported from Michigan (excerpt):

Federal agents have been serving subpoenas to the 16 people who signed their names as fake electors for former President Donald Trump in an attempt to give Michigan’s electoral votes to Trump instead of President Joe Biden, who won the state.
Michele Lundgren, whose name appears as one of those fake electors, says she never signed any such document.
“I didn’t even know what an elector was, let alone a fake elector,” said Lundgren. “I signed nothing but what appeared to be a sign-in sheet.”
Lundgren was invited to a Michigan GOP meeting in Lansing to help Trump.
After cake and coffee, the so-called sign-in sheet came out. Lundgren says federal agents came to her home to ask questions about the fake elector plot; she welcomed them and answered their questions.
Lundgren has been subpoenaed to appear on July 8 in Washington D.C. She said she will comply.
It is likely all of the 16 have been subpoenaed.

UPDATE: Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) threatened Clark late Thursday night, “Jeffrey Clark is a reprehensible pettifogger who will be held accountable for his corrupt conduct.”

Jeffrey Clark is a reprehensible pettifogger who will be held accountable for his corrupt conduct.
— Hakeem Jeffries (@RepJeffries) June 24, 2022

 

[dpic73]

It was a raid on CORRUPT REPUBLICANS. Get your facts straight

June 23, 2022

Then-president Trump’s demand of Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen on December 27, 2020 was simple: “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.” But the election wasn’t corrupt, and Rosen wouldn’t do as Trump asked.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

 

[TigerGrowls]

It was a raid on CORRUPT REPUBLICANS. Get your facts straight

June 23, 2022

Then-president Trump’s demand of Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen on December 27, 2020 was simple: “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.” But the election wasn’t corrupt, and Rosen wouldn’t do as Trump asked.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

Explain your statement. How are they corrupt?

 

[dpic73]

Explain your statement. How are they corrupt?

Are you really that blind to what Trump was attempting to do by replacing two attorney generals in the two weeks before Jan 6th to find one (Clark) who would corruptly do his bidding? A little known lawyer in the Civil Division, specializing in Environmental law with no experience at the DOJ. There's a reason he took the 5th at his deposition, because he's a crooked lackey willing to subvert democracy.

The bonkers story of how Trump tried to corrupt the DOJ to steal the election

January 6 witnesses detail his bid to install a loyalist as acting attorney general.

www.motherjones.com

 

[clempzenbill]

Are you really that blind to what Trump was attempting to do by replacing two attorney generals in the two weeks before Jan 6th to find one (Clark) who would corruptly do his bidding? A little known lawyer in the Civil Division, specializing in Environmental law with no experience at the DOJ. There's a reason he took the 5th at his deposition, because he's a crooked lackey willing to subvert democracy.

The bonkers story of how Trump tried to corrupt the DOJ to steal the election

January 6 witnesses detail his bid to install a loyalist as acting attorney general.

www.motherjones.com

If MotherJones says it’s true, you KNOW it’s completely Unbiased! Lmfao.

 

[dpic73]

If MotherJones says it’s true, you KNOW it’s completely Unbiased! Lmfao.

Sure man, trash the source but have you watched the hearings? I'm sure you're afraid to but you would have heard the exact same thing LIVE from Republican witnesses if you had the balls to switch over from NewsMax.

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

Sure man, trash the source but have you watched the hearings? I'm sure you're afraid to but you would have heard the exact same thing LIVE from Republican witnesses if you had the balls to switch over from NewsMax.

Ironic post is ironic

 

[clempzenbill]

Sure man, trash the source but have you watched the hearings? I'm sure you're afraid to but you would have heard the exact same thing LIVE from Republican witnesses if you had the balls to switch over from NewsMax.

Don’t watch any TV news. It’s all a product. I read hundreds of different people in a months time. From a wide perspective. It’s the only way to sort out at least some of the bias. Hey we all have bias! We’re all tiny finite beings and the world is enormous. There is so much that is far beyond our very limited capacity. We all think in a circular pattern based on our presuppositions.
There are many facts that were purposefully left out of the hearings. In this one fact lies incredible bias. It was a purely political show -production, in which no criminal referrals were created. In which the ‘Pubs were not allowed to choose who was on the committee. If you know anything about KGB show trials you’ll know this was a carbon copy. The outcome predetermined. The evidence completely one sided. With any facts running counter to the narrative omitted. Anyone who would question the precreated narrative was not allowed to be on the committee. The conspiracy theories smack of the exact same things they accuse the other side of.
People who are guilty of nothing more than being associated with DJT are having their homes raided, drug out into the street in their pajamas, hand cuffed and shackled, they are arrested and stuffed into cars and their electronic devices seized. Exactly as political opponents are treated in any communist country except these people won’t disappear but are eventually let go. They aren’t charged with a real crime in the vast majority of case or face maximum retribution for whatever minor offenses can be found. Many people have had to waste millions hiring lawyers defending themselves from witch hunts which produce little if any prosecutions ruining their lives. DJT is the most investigated public figure in history and has never had a criminal trial against him. The sham impeachments had exactly zero real laws in its accusations. But when hatred rules the day this will never be realized in the minds of the obsessive haters. It is pure intimidation designed to suppress and create fear in the opposition. This is the pattern of the DOJ/FBI ever since DJT took office. It has happened over and over and over. This is the real story, the same totalitarian tactics of all dictators and Marxist regimes is now used at any fancied time in our country.

 

[dpic73]

Don’t watch any TV news. It’s all a product. I read hundreds of different people in a months time. From a wide perspective. It’s the only way to sort out at least some of the bias. Hey we all have bias! We’re all tiny finite beings and the world is enormous. There is so much that is far beyond our very limited capacity. We all think in a circular pattern based on our presuppositions.
There are many facts that were purposefully left out of the hearings. In this one fact lies incredible bias. It was a purely political show -production, in which no criminal referrals were created. In which the ‘Pubs were not allowed to choose who was on the committee. If you know anything about KGB show trials you’ll know this was a carbon copy. The outcome predetermined. The evidence completely one sided. With any facts running counter to the narrative omitted. Anyone who would question the precreated narrative was not allowed to be on the committee. The conspiracy theories smack of the exact same things they accuse the other side of.
People who are guilty of nothing more than being associated with DJT are having their homes raided, drug out into the street in their pajamas, hand cuffed and shackled, they are arrested and stuffed into cars and their electronic devices seized. Exactly as political opponents are treated in any communist country except these people won’t disappear but are eventually let go. They aren’t charged with a real crime in the vast majority of case or face maximum retribution for whatever minor offenses can be found. Many people have had to waste millions hiring lawyers defending themselves from witch hunts which produce little if any prosecutions ruining their lives. DJT is the most investigated public figure in history and has never had a criminal trial against him. The sham impeachments had exactly zero real laws in its accusations. But when hatred rules the day this will never be realized in the minds of the obsessive haters. It is pure intimidation designed to suppress and create fear in the opposition. This is the pattern of the DOJ/FBI ever since DJT took office. It has happened over and over and over. This is the real story, the same totalitarian tactics of all dictators and Marxist regimes is now used at any fancied time in our country.

There is so much misinformation in this post I'm not going to waste my time responding to every single falsehood. But this is exactly why your side can no longer be trusted. You dismiss out of hand the blatant corruption from your side that has left an ugly, long-lasting scar on our democracy and spend most of your time on here trying to provide cover for the criminals, while blaming everyone else for what ails us. If you were a truly objective person, you would at least give some attention to the hearings - they're pretty important and quite eye opening - but I suspect that's why you want to ignore them as well. You may not realize it but every single witness so far has been a Republican, outside of the two election workers that he terrorized. A partisan witch hunt it is not.

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

This thread explains the other 40%

 

[TigerGrowls]

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This thread explains the other 40%

I am sure that's a legit poll!! NOT!!

Go ahead and logically explain how an insurrection actually occurred and then also throw in how Trump planned and orchestrated it. I have my popcorn.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Trump’s SC appointees will continue to reflect Trump’s winning for decades.

No one cares about the Jan 6 nonsense except the same people who pushed the Russian hoax.

 

[DW4_2016]

Trump’s SC appointees will continue to reflect Trump’s winning for decades.

No one cares about the Jan 6 nonsense except the same people who pushed the Russian hoax.

Want to make any bets on mortality rates for pregnant women over the next few years? I guess that’s a win for some.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Want to make any bets on mortality rates for pregnant women over the next few years? I guess that’s a win for some.

I’m sure you’ll quote a favorable source in due time.

Responsibility is a beautiful thing.

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

I am sure that's a legit poll!! NOT!!

Go ahead and logically explain how an insurrection actually occurred and then also throw in how Trump planned and orchestrated it. I have my popcorn.

I don’t need to. They literally just had an entire bipartisan presentation to the American people showing just that in great detail. Hope you enjoyed the popcorn.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

I don’t need to. They literally just had an entire bipartisan presentation to the American people showing just that in great detail. Hope you enjoyed the popcorn.

No it didn’t show a damn thing that wasn’t already presented in the Shan impeachment hearings… Notice how they have yet to show the clip where he says “peacefully and patriotically” make your voices heard? Also the storm was already going on well before the speech. Also have you seen the videos of police literally removing barriers to let them go protest at the Capitol? Not seeing that happen now with the Roe rioters. Why is that?

 

[dpic73]

No it didn’t show a damn thing that wasn’t already presented in the Shan impeachment hearings… Notice how they have yet to show the clip where he says “peacefully and patriotically” make your voices heard? Also the storm was already going on well before the speech. Also have you seen the videos of police literally removing barriers to let them go protest at the Capitol? Not seeing that happen now with the Roe rioters. Why is that?

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[CoffeeIsForClosers]

No it didn’t show a damn thing that wasn’t already presented in the Shan impeachment hearings… Notice how they have yet to show the clip where he says “peacefully and patriotically” make your voices heard? Also the storm was already going on well before the speech. Also have you seen the videos of police literally removing barriers to let them go protest at the Capitol? Not seeing that happen now with the Roe rioters. Why is that?

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It showed a lot of damn things, but you actually had to watch it. The most damning came from people who were loyal to him (including his own family). I’d encourage you to actually watch it in its entirety before you dismiss it as a “Shan”

 

[tigerragman]

The new American Gestapo at work.

Raid on Home of Former Trump DOJ Official Jeffrey Clark Was Part of Nationwide FBI Raids on Republicans (Clark on Tucker Carlson: Video) | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

Former Trump Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight on the Fox News Channel Thursday night to talk about the dawn FBI raid on his Northern Virginia home Wednesday.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

By Kristinn Taylor
Published June 23, 2022 at 10:54pm
Former Trump Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight on the Fox News Channel Thursday night to talk about the dawn FBI raid on his Northern Virginia home Wednesday. Clark said the agents made him go outside in his pajamas while they searched his house. Clark said twelve FBI agents, two Fairfax County police officers and an ‘electronic sniffer dog’ searched his house for over three hours. All his electronic devices were seized.

Clark said the raid was part of nationwide “Stasi-like” raids by the FBI on Republicans involved in helping President Trump to stop the steal of the 2020 presidential election.
Local news reports out of Nevada and Pennsylvania as well as the Washington Post, confirm the nationwide action by the feds.
Mediaite reported on the Clark’s appearance (excerpt):
TRENDING: BREAKING: Senate Votes 65-33 to Approve Gun Control Legislation and Red Flag Laws - Here are the 15 Republicans Including Mitch McConnell Who Caved and Voted with Democrats

Video of Clark on Tucker Carlson Tonight:

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KLAS-TV reported on FBI raids in Nevada (excerpt):

KLAS reported Thursday, “ELECTION INVESTIGATION: FBI agents are tracking down all six of the Nevada GOP’s electors as part of a federal investigation, sources tell the 8 News Now I-Team #8NN”



The Washington Post reported on more raids (excerpt):

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported on yet another FBI raid (excerpt):

As mentioned in the Clark interview, Trump-hating, fired corrupt former FBI agent Peter Strzok commented on the raids and mocked Clark, “From Virginia to Nevada today, several coordinated subpoenas and search warrants served and executed by the FBI and DOJ surrounding fake elector scheme. Sure doesn’t feel like a “nothingburger.”…“Federal investigators descended on the home of Jeffrey Clark, a former DOJ official, on Wed in connection with the department’s sprawling inquiry into efforts to overturn the 2020 election” Increasingly large FBI/DOJ scope. Even more activity to come?






Also as mentioned in Clark’s interview, actor Sean Penn attended Thursday’s Congressional hearing by the January 6th Committee with former Capitol Police officer Michael Fanone.



UPDATE: Late Thursday night, WDIV-TV reported from Michigan (excerpt):

UPDATE: Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) threatened Clark late Thursday night, “Jeffrey Clark is a reprehensible pettifogger who will be held accountable for his corrupt conduct.”

Peter Stzrok is a duche! P.S. come November we the people will be heard loud and clear!

 

[DW4_2016]

I’m sure you’ll quote a favorable source in due time.

Responsibility is a beautiful thing.

Let us how the adoption process is going. You must be close to getting your first few, right?

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Let us how the adoption process is going. You must be close to getting your first few, right?

I have two healthy boys, I spend the majority of my time with. Impregnated my wife twice, and worked really hard to provide the life we now have. Responsibility is beautiful.

Thanks be to God.

 

[ctcseb]

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I always thought conspiracy theorists were dumb. But watching Behind the curve on netflix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve), the documentary about flat earthers, it really struck me that it wasn't the case.

Being a conspiracy theorist is something people with insecurities or psychological problems do to feel great about themselves. By believing in conspiracies, they gain a lot of benefits:
- feeling of superiority: they feel like they are smarter than everybody else. THEY and them only picked up on something that others didn't. The more obscure the conspiracy, the more special they are. So, for someone dumb or with insecurities, it's a way to self-assess they are better than everybody else. The beauty of the approach is that most conspiracies, in their minds, aren't "falsifiable". So, there's no way to prove them wrong and prove they are not superior
- feeling of moral high ground: they feel like they and a few others are on a crusade. They are in the right, and everybody else needs to be saved. The more they get attacked, the more this feeds this feeling they are the knight in shining armor fighting the world. So, mockery fuels them instead of demoralizing them
- feeling of social belonging: if you can't be part of the group of "typical people" because you lack reason and logic, etc. you can still be part of a group and have social recognition and status. In the documentary, the leader of the flat earthers is constantly talking about himself and how he became their leader. There's actually a turf war between him and another leader, who feels like the first one isn't radical enough. So, ego boosting and peer recognition is a big part of it. The cause doesn't matter at this point, belonging to that group does.

In short, there is no amount of facts or logic that will prove these people wrong. They have too much at stake. Their self-worth, moral superiority, connection and network all depend on their participation in the conspiracy.

It's going to be really tough to overcome this type of behavior, no really easy way out....

 

[DW4_2016]

I have two healthy boys, I spend the majority of my time with. Impregnated my wife twice, and worked really hard to provide the life we now have. Responsibility is beautiful.

Thanks be to God.

So, because of your religious beliefs you have the right to tell other people what to do? Isn’t that why the pilgrims left?

 

[CoffeeIsForClosers]

I always thought conspiracy theorists were dumb. But watching Behind the curve on netflix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve), the documentary about flat earthers, it really struck me that it wasn't the case.

Being a conspiracy theorist is something people with insecurities or psychological problems do to feel great about themselves. By believing in conspiracies, they gain a lot of benefits:
- feeling of superiority: they feel like they are smarter than everybody else. THEY and them only picked up on something that others didn't. The more obscure the conspiracy, the more special they are. So, for someone dumb or with insecurities, it's a way to self-assess they are better than everybody else. The beauty of the approach is that most conspiracies, in their minds, aren't "falsifiable". So, there's no way to prove them wrong and prove they are not superior
- feeling of moral high ground: they feel like they and a few others are on a crusade. They are in the right, and everybody else needs to be saved. The more they get attacked, the more this feeds this feeling they are the knight in shining armor fighting the world. So, mockery fuels them instead of demoralizing them
- feeling of social belonging: if you can't be part of the group of "typical people" because you lack reason and logic, etc. you can still be part of a group and have social recognition and status. In the documentary, the leader of the flat earthers is constantly talking about himself and how he became their leader. There's actually a turf war between him and another leader, who feels like the first one isn't radical enough. So, ego boosting and peer recognition is a big part of it. The cause doesn't matter at this point, belonging to that group does.

In short, there is no amount of facts or logic that will prove these people wrong. They have too much at stake. Their self-worth, moral superiority, connection and network all depend on their participation in the conspiracy.

It's going to be really tough to overcome this type of behavior, no really easy way out....

Very VERY well said. What’s crazy is they will read everything you wrote, probably agree just as I did, and then point the finger at the rest of us.

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

I always thought conspiracy theorists were dumb. But watching Behind the curve on netflix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve), the documentary about flat earthers, it really struck me that it wasn't the case.

Being a conspiracy theorist is something people with insecurities or psychological problems do to feel great about themselves. By believing in conspiracies, they gain a lot of benefits:
- feeling of superiority: they feel like they are smarter than everybody else. THEY and them only picked up on something that others didn't. The more obscure the conspiracy, the more special they are. So, for someone dumb or with insecurities, it's a way to self-assess they are better than everybody else. The beauty of the approach is that most conspiracies, in their minds, aren't "falsifiable". So, there's no way to prove them wrong and prove they are not superior
- feeling of moral high ground: they feel like they and a few others are on a crusade. They are in the right, and everybody else needs to be saved. The more they get attacked, the more this feeds this feeling they are the knight in shining armor fighting the world. So, mockery fuels them instead of demoralizing them
- feeling of social belonging: if you can't be part of the group of "typical people" because you lack reason and logic, etc. you can still be part of a group and have social recognition and status. In the documentary, the leader of the flat earthers is constantly talking about himself and how he became their leader. There's actually a turf war between him and another leader, who feels like the first one isn't radical enough. So, ego boosting and peer recognition is a big part of it. The cause doesn't matter at this point, belonging to that group does.

In short, there is no amount of facts or logic that will prove these people wrong. They have too much at stake. Their self-worth, moral superiority, connection and network all depend on their participation in the conspiracy.

It's going to be really tough to overcome this type of behavior, no really easy way out....

This guy believes everything his TV tells him

 

[ctcseb]

This guy believes everything his TV tells him

Interesting that a) you feel like this is about you and b) that you chose to attack the person instead of debating the argument.

Does this mean you acknowledge everything I said is true? So, as a last resort, a personal attack is used to distract from the topic at hand?

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

Interesting that a) you feel like this is about you and b) that you chose to attack the person instead of debating the argument.

Does this mean you acknowledge everything I said is true? So, as a last resort, a personal attack is used to distract from the topic at hand?

Do you know how many “conspiracy theories” have been revealed to be truth?

I will acknowledge that some “conspiracy theorists” are what you claim. The problem is people like yourself call anyone who doesn’t buy every mainstream narratives conspiracy theorists

Russiagate and Hunter’s laptop used to be conspiracy theories as well. 20 years ago you were called a conspiracy theorist for believing in aliens. Now you’re crazy if you don’t believe in them

“Conspiracy theory” is a term coined by the intelligence agencies in the 50’s to make anyone on to their transgressions seem crazy and noncredible

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

So, because of your religious beliefs you have the right to tell other people what to do? Isn’t that why the pilgrims left?

I’m just saying it’s not right to kill babies. That, and try being responsible for your choices.

Next question.

 

[ctcseb]

Do you know how many “conspiracy theories” have been revealed to be truth?

I will acknowledge that some “conspiracy theorists” are what you claim. The problem is people like yourself call anyone who doesn’t buy every mainstream narratives conspiracy theorists

Russiagate and Hunter’s laptop used to be conspiracy theories as well. 20 years ago you were called a conspiracy theorist for believing in aliens. Now you’re crazy if you don’t believe in them

“Conspiracy theory” is a term coined by the intelligence agencies in the 50’s to make anyone on to their transgressions seem crazy and noncredible

That's actually a pretty good point. Searching for the truth should always be considered doing the right thing (that's the primary purpose of science and the scientific method).

I would argue that the delineation you are making between "crazy" conspiracy theories and "legitimate" conspiracy theories probably lies in that concept of truth.

For crazy theories, people start with a belief and they are intent on cherry picking facts that support their belief and ignoring all the evidence that goes against it. All they want is proving their belief, not accepting reality. Bias confirmation is not searching for the truth, it's just self serving.

But anybody that wants to get to the bottom of facts and reality is doing the right thing. Even more impressive if they pursue the truth under duress/pressure. The difference is that they will accept the truth even if it is unpleasant.

I don't have percentages to back up my assertion, but I would guess the majority of conspiracy theories fall in the first bucket (again, that's just from empirical evidence over my 4+decades on Earth, I don't have facts or studies to back that up). And I can tell you that the first bucket mindset (confirmation bias) has invaded politics as well, leading to the hyper-partisanship we are seeing. Sad situation....

 

[DW4_2016]

I’m just saying it’s not right to kill babies. That, and try being responsible for your choices.

Next question.

It’s not right to tell someone else what to do when it has no bearing on your life. Conservatives used to believe this too. Then the religious right showed up and took over the party. Shame really.

but if you want to move out of fantasy land what should we do to protect mothers who will be in danger if they have to terminate the pregnancy? If your choice is lose your wife or your fetus which do you chose? What if your state didn’t give you that choice? What if they made the mother suffer and die for your misunderstanding of the bible? no remorse? Don’t worry about answering that last one, I already know.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

It’s not right to tell someone else what to do when it has no bearing on your life. Conservatives used to believe this too. Then the religious right showed up and took over the party. Shame really.

but if you want to move out of fantasy land what should we do to protect mothers who will be in danger if they have to terminate the pregnancy? If your choice is lose your wife or your fetus which do you chose? What if your state didn’t give you that choice? What if they made the mother suffer and die for your misunderstanding of the bible? no remorse? Don’t worry about answering that last one, I already know.

Certain circumstances warrant consideration, no doubt.

Taking politics and religion out of the conversation, killing a healthy baby inside a healthy mother is wrong.

Abortion should never be birth control.

 

[DW4_2016]

Certain circumstances warrant consideration, no doubt.

Taking politics and religion out of the conversation, killing a healthy baby inside a healthy mother is wrong.

Abortion should never be birth control.

Should never be, but in this instance what would you do? Imagine you didn’t have the resources to go to another state where it was legal? You think those people will be so poor we won’t care about them anyway? Problem solved I guess. Or the mom kills herself and her fetus. Then everyone wins. A lot of these state level laws have NO room for consideration of anything including rape and the mother’s life being at risk

Imagine this time you can’t just pretend it’s not happening and look at actual reality of you enforcing your feelings on others.

FYI, taking religion out of this and there isn’t an argument. Trying to slip out of responsibility isn’t something you should be pushing toward. That’s not the republican way. Be proud you’re helping to kill helpless mothers. You voted for this.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Should never be, but in this instance what would you do? Imagine you didn’t have the resources to go to another state where it was legal? You think those people will be so poor we won’t care about them anyway? Problem solved I guess. Or the mom kills herself and her fetus. Then everyone wins. A lot of these state level laws have NO room for consideration of anything including rape and the mother’s life being at risk

Imagine this time you can’t just pretend it’s not happening and look at actual reality of you enforcing your feelings on others.

FYI, taking religion out of this and there isn’t an argument. Trying to slip out of responsibility isn’t something you should be pushing toward. That’s not the republican way. Be proud you’re helping to kill helpless mothers. You voted for this.

Honest question…

Are you married? Kids? Genuinely curious.

 

[DW4_2016]

Honest question…

Are you married? Kids? Genuinely curious.

Keep deflecting. Or take some responsibility for once.

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Keep deflecting. Or take some responsibility for once.

No really, please answer.

I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from. Not being sarcastic.

 

[JoeBidenSniffsKids]

That's actually a pretty good point. Searching for the truth should always be considered doing the right thing (that's the primary purpose of science and the scientific method).

I would argue that the delineation you are making between "crazy" conspiracy theories and "legitimate" conspiracy theories probably lies in that concept of truth.

For crazy theories, people start with a belief and they are intent on cherry picking facts that support their belief and ignoring all the evidence that goes against it. All they want is proving their belief, not accepting reality. Bias confirmation is not searching for the truth, it's just self serving.

But anybody that wants to get to the bottom of facts and reality is doing the right thing. Even more impressive if they pursue the truth under duress/pressure. The difference is that they will accept the truth even if it is unpleasant.

I don't have percentages to back up my assertion, but I would guess the majority of conspiracy theories fall in the first bucket (again, that's just from empirical evidence over my 4+decades on Earth, I don't have facts or studies to back that up). And I can tell you that the first bucket mindset (confirmation bias) has invaded politics as well, leading to the hyper-partisanship we are seeing. Sad situation....

I agree completely. The problem is both sides are equally susceptible to misinformation and disinformation, and nobody wants to admit when they’re wrong

My biggest issue with the term conspiracy theory is it’s only applied to one side of the coin, while it could just as easily be applied to the same people who accuse anyone they disagree with as being so

The same media outlets and pols who pushed the biggest and most divisive and damaging conspiracy theory in our country’s history - Russiagate - are still out here calling people conspiracy theorists left and right. It’s nothing more than a term used to besmirch people on the right who question or disagree with left wing media and establishment politicians

Like I said, the term was literally coined as a way to discredit people who were exposing the crimes of the US intelligence apparatus. And it’s being used in the same manor today by corrupt media and politicians who are in bed together. Are there legitimately crazy conspiracy theorists out there? 100%. But there are also millions of people being labeled that who are just calling bullshit on obvious lies

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

Keep deflecting. Or take some responsibility for once.

Why not answer?

 

[clemsontiger02]

I always thought conspiracy theorists were dumb. But watching Behind the curve on netflix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve), the documentary about flat earthers, it really struck me that it wasn't the case.

Being a conspiracy theorist is something people with insecurities or psychological problems do to feel great about themselves. By believing in conspiracies, they gain a lot of benefits:
- feeling of superiority: they feel like they are smarter than everybody else. THEY and them only picked up on something that others didn't. The more obscure the conspiracy, the more special they are. So, for someone dumb or with insecurities, it's a way to self-assess they are better than everybody else. The beauty of the approach is that most conspiracies, in their minds, aren't "falsifiable". So, there's no way to prove them wrong and prove they are not superior
- feeling of moral high ground: they feel like they and a few others are on a crusade. They are in the right, and everybody else needs to be saved. The more they get attacked, the more this feeds this feeling they are the knight in shining armor fighting the world. So, mockery fuels them instead of demoralizing them
- feeling of social belonging: if you can't be part of the group of "typical people" because you lack reason and logic, etc. you can still be part of a group and have social recognition and status. In the documentary, the leader of the flat earthers is constantly talking about himself and how he became their leader. There's actually a turf war between him and another leader, who feels like the first one isn't radical enough. So, ego boosting and peer recognition is a big part of it. The cause doesn't matter at this point, belonging to that group does.

In short, there is no amount of facts or logic that will prove these people wrong. They have too much at stake. Their self-worth, moral superiority, connection and network all depend on their participation in the conspiracy.

It's going to be really tough to overcome this type of behavior, no really easy way out....

I referenced a study years ago in the conspiracy theory thread that said this:

In terms of cognitive processes, people with stronger conspiracy beliefs are more likely to overestimate the likelihood of co-occurring events, to attribute intentionality where it is unlikely to exist, and to have lower levels of analytic thinking.

The study's summary is that the possessing of secret information that is not widely accepted by the public is rooted in an individual's desire to feel unique.

In the current research, we investigated whether belief in conspiracy theories satisfies people’s need for uniqueness. We found that the tendency to believe in conspiracy theories was associated with the feeling of possessing scarce information about the situations explained by the conspiracy theories (Study 1) and higher need for uniqueness (Study 2). Further two studies using two different manipulations of need for uniqueness (Studies 3 and 4) showed that people in a high need for uniqueness condition displayed higher conspiracy belief than people in a low need for uniqueness condition. This conclusion is strengthened by a small-scale meta-analysis. These studies suggest that conspiracy theories may serve people’s desire to be unique, highlighting a motivational underpinning of conspiracy belief. (PsycInfo Database Record (c) 2020 APA, all rights reserved)

 

[DW4_2016]

Why not answer?

I have asked you a dozen questions. So far, nothing. Get real and have an actual discussion about the horrible things women used to do with unwanted babies and own that you support bringing that shit back.

 

[adgjunior]

I agree completely. The problem is both sides are equally susceptible to misinformation and disinformation, and nobody wants to admit when they’re wrong

My biggest issue with the term conspiracy theory is it’s only applied to one side of the coin, while it could just as easily be applied to the same people who accuse anyone they disagree with as being so

The same media outlets and pols who pushed the biggest and most divisive and damaging conspiracy theory in our country’s history - Russiagate - are still out here calling people conspiracy theorists left and right. It’s nothing more than a term used to besmirch people on the right who question or disagree with left wing media and establishment politicians

Like I said, the term was literally coined as a way to discredit people who were exposing the crimes of the US intelligence apparatus. And it’s being used in the same manor today by corrupt media and politicians who are in bed together. Are there legitimately crazy conspiracy theorists out there? 100%. But there are also millions of people being labeled that who are just calling bullshit on obvious lies

I agree with your entire premise, but I have a question….

If you changed the term “conspiracy theory” to “fake news” would you feel as passionate about rebuking it?

Where I sit, they are interchangeable. Both are used as a mechanism to immediately discredit and kill information.