Roe V Wade is about to be overturned

[DW4_2016]

And a person who saves this country (or world) could be born from this. Let God, play the role of God.

Or destroys. You think there is a high likelihood of an unwanted baby saving the world that will come from this? Aren’t you always saying it’s not where you grow up, but the family environment and upbringing that makes a person?

Unwanted pregnancy is called that for a reason.

stop living in a fairytale

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

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This is pure propaganda. I've been an independent for decades so pound sand if you wanna pull the other team card.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

Show me the birth certificate. Wait just a minute it’s not called a conception certificate? Why is that?

Holy fvcking retard.

 

[dpic73]

This is pure propaganda. I've been an independent for decades so pound sand if you wanna pull the other team card.

I doubt the mid-terms will be a referendum on independents so the point stands

 

[PAWrocka]

I doubt the mid-terms will be a referendum on independents so the point stands

the mid-terms will be a referendum on Biden's handling of the economy/inflation. Current polling shows that to be the #1 issue across Dems, Repubs, and Independents.

Abortion Rights may fire up the base, but it wont outweigh the economy/inflation for independents

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

I doubt the mid-terms will be a referendum on independents so the point stands

The MSM will overblow it, per usual.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

 

[Cocks are Number 1]

The MSM will overblow it, per usual.

Abortion

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life? Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?

news.gallup.com

Of course they will. They’re part (huge part) of the team.

 

[dpic73]

the mid-terms will be a referendum on Biden's handling of the economy/inflation. Current polling shows that to be the #1 issue across Dems, Repubs, and Independents.

Abortion Rights may fire up the base, but it wont outweigh the economy/inflation for independents

We'll see but we know it will energize the female and youth vote to come out in larger numbers than we would have seen otherwise. If this passes, it will just lead to more assaults on freedoms so I wouldn't underestimate the turnout.

 

[CUT93]

it is a dirty tactic. It would be even dirtier if they held a rally near the Supreme Court, and said things like “if you don’t fight like hell you are not going to have a country anymore. Now let’s March for to the Supreme Court together.” And then they could assault officers with biden flags. That would be really, really dirty.

So you mean like every other large primarily democrat protest over the last 10 years. That is pretty much SOP for them, of course you need to add in millions of dollars or property damage as well, don't forget that.

I honestly can't even believe you would post that. Do you live in some alternate universe? If you compare protests by republicans/conservatives to those by democrats/liberals, its like comparing the damage from a firecracker to that of a bomb.

 

[flotiger]

So you mean like every other large primarily democrat protest over the last 10 years. That is pretty much SOP for them, of course you need to add in millions of dollars or property damage as well, don't forget that.

I honestly can't even believe you would post that. Do you live in some alternate universe? If you compare protests by republicans/conservatives to those by democrats/liberals, its like comparing the damage from a firecracker to that of a bomb.

🙄

 

[CUT93]

Wait until you see the burden of all these unwanted pregnancies. It’s going to be hilarious in 20 years when everyone is complaining that we’re in idiocracy. And it will start with the conservatives complaining the loudest because they’re too stupid to understand the weight of this decision.

Like I posted before, it is the job of the scotus to decide matters based on the constitution. The impact or results of the decision are not relevant.
If two teams are playing and the clearly better team is losing due to a couple of crazy plays, the ref can't just start calling penalties on the other team just to get the desired outcome. You call penalties based on the rules - not based on the "right" outcome of the game.

 

[CUT93]

Yes. And freakonomics showed that Roe v Wade was primarily responsible for the drop in the crime rate for the last 40 years. It is going to be a shitshow of crime in these southern states in the next 20 years. And of course, like they do now, they will have their hands out to get NY and California to help them pay their bills.

That's rich. All the dems who claim they want people to "pay their fair share" are the first ones to make salt caps a non starter in budget negotiations when it is time to pay for what ever it is they want. You don't ant to pay your fair share, you want other people to pay your fair share. Why in the world should the rest of the country have to pay your local taxes bc you choose to live in an area where you vote for high local/state taxes?

 

[CUT93]

This will have a couple of consequences, one being that the number of children in foster care is going to explode in the next 10 years, as will the number of children entering the public school system, as will children living in poverty, as will children who need better access to health care….you know, all the things that the “pro life” crowd doesn’t care about at all and will refuse to increase funding for.

Secondly, it’s going to only increase the migration into the hive mind. Blue states will become bluer, red states will become redder. Will be fascinating to see what this means for congressional districts and electoral college votes as more and more people move places that fit their personal political beliefs.

Wild to me that the crowd that so often espouses “religious freedom” is now celebrating the stripping of a rather significant freedom from women, based mostly on the belief in an archaic religion. My ”religious freedom” should mean that the laws that govern me shouldn’t be based on religious nonsense.

Court frothing at the mouth to overturn gay marriage rights as well…yet another “freedom” that the religious are dying to piss all over.

If you are so concerned about child poverty, here is an idea. How about stop encouraging people to have kids they can not afford by offering them $$$ to do so. If the ends truly justify the means, make birth control a requirement to receive financial aid from the govt. I can guarantee you child poverty would plummet.

 

[DW4_2016]

Like I posted before, it is the job of the scotus to decide matters based on the constitution. The impact or results of the decision are not relevant.
If two teams are playing and the clearly better team is losing due to a couple of crazy plays, the ref can't just start calling penalties on the other team just to get the desired outcome. You call penalties based on the rules - not based on the "right" outcome of the game.

Right. It’s not up to them to think about consequences of their actions. It’s up to the morons who have been advocating for this under the guise that jesus wants it this way. The Bible literally tells women to abort in certain situations. Their real actions have helped this outcome and reduction in freedoms for all Americans. Patriots.

And the conservatives will try to tell you the love freedom.

 

[moradatiger70]

I don't think what we are saying is a knee jerk response at all. Seriously, go read Freakonomics if you have not. The states that outlaw abortion are going to be inundated with crime in about 15 to 20 years. Especially since these states want to offer very little assistance to the poor (see not accepting Medicaid expansion). It's going to be a rough time.

LMAO. We are going to create 1000's of poor people now and we will "be inundated with crime in about 15 to 20 years."
Meanwhile, let us let millions of unvetted migrates across our borders, some known rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, not to mention poors inundate our country. That'll work out okay. No need to worry healthcare or crime in the next 2-3 years because of that!

 

[CUT93]

Right. It’s not up to them to think about consequences of their actions. It’s up to the morons who have been advocating for this under the guise that jesus wants it this way. The Bible literally tells women to abort in certain situations. Their real actions have helped this outcome and reduction in freedoms for all Americans. Patriots.

And the conservatives will try to tell you the love freedom.

Well, at least you get it now. The rest after the bold is not relevant to the decision. You decide constitutional matters based on the constitution(and amendments), not on the effect of the decision. Why is this so hard to understand.
I am not saying you should be okay, or like the outcome. The only other option is to say to heck with the constitution and any current laws and just make legal decisions based on current social perception at the time. Is that what you think should be done? Also, as has been pointed out, if the leaked opinion is accurate, the scotus is not banning abortion. Abortion laws in many states will not be more restrictive. Will it make it harder for some living in deeply conservative states to get an abortion? No question about it. It will not make it impossible however.

 

[scotchtiger]

Tough topic. There are certainly points on each side. I'm personally pro-life in voluntary scenarios after having two kids and watching 8 week ultrasounds of my boys with fluttering hearts. It's a joy that's hard to explain to non-parents. And nobody can tell me that isn't a life.

Pragmatically, and politically, I sit in the "safe, legal and rare" camp. Rape, incest, health of the mother, etc - those are pretty easy calls where I would guess ~90% of people are in agreement. What is more difficult is voluntary abortions within the first trimester. Morally, personally, I couldn't do it with what I know. But I would have been for it as a younger person without kids. And outlawing it presents other issues.

Voluntary late term abortions are barbaric. I would hope 90%+ agree there as well.

Unfortunately, states will probably struggle to find the right middleground given the polarization of state governments.

As for the decision, it's probably the right one constitutionally. Congress should pass a law if they want abortions. The Court's job is to interpret the laws that exist. When a federal law does not exist, it defaults to the states. Probably an unpopular decision, and to me not friendly to the GOP's midterm prospects, but it's probably the correct legal call.

 

[dbjork6317]

How about stop encouraging people to have kids they can not afford by offering them $$$ to do so.

Yet you’re supporting literally forcing people to have kids.

 

[CUT93]

Tough topic. There are certainly points on each side. I'm personally pro-life in voluntary scenarios after having two kids and watching 8 week ultrasounds of my boys with fluttering hearts. It's a joy that's hard to explain to non-parents. And nobody can tell me that isn't a life.

Pragmatically, and politically, I sit in the "safe, legal and rare" camp. Rape, incest, health of the mother, etc - those are pretty easy calls where I would guess ~90% of people are in agreement. What is more difficult is voluntary abortions within the first trimester. Morally, personally, I couldn't do it with what I know. But I would have been for it as a younger person without kids. And outlawing it presents other issues.

Voluntary late term abortions are barbaric. I would hope 90%+ agree there as well.

Unfortunately, states will probably struggle to find the right middleground given the polarization of state governments.

As for the decision, it's probably the right one constitutionally. Congress should pass a law if they want abortions. The Court's job is to interpret the laws that exist. When a federal law does not exist, it defaults to the states. Probably an unpopular decision, and to me not friendly to the GOP's midterm prospects, but it's probably the correct legal call.

I agree with everything here. Pretty much where I stand constitutionally and from a personal perspective.

 

[CUT93]

Yet you’re supporting literally forcing people to have kids.

You are literally a liar. This decision does not make abortion illegal, and you know that.

Edit: Also, like I have said numerous times, whether something is constitutional or not is not determined by the impact of the decision. It is determined by whether it follows the constitution(and/or amendments).

 

[nytigerfan]

That's rich. All the dems who claim they want people to "pay their fair share" are the first ones to make salt caps a non starter in budget negotiations when it is time to pay for what ever it is they want. You don't ant to pay your fair share, you want other people to pay your fair share. Why in the world should the rest of the country have to pay your local taxes bc you choose to live in an area where you vote for high local/state taxes?

I am not sure what exactly your point is in that word salad. Let me make this as simple as possible for you.

My state gets $0.93 back in return for every $1 we pay in taxes. Your state gets $2.17 back in return for every $1 you pay in taxes. Your state is federally dependent. Dependent is another word for "welfare".

When your state outlaws abortion, you will have even more poors running around needing more welfare. Your state will become even more federally dependent.

Another fun fact... out of the top ten most federally dependent states, 8 are republican led red states. Sad!

 

[firegiver]

So are fetuses now citizens? Can I put a life insurance policy on an unborn?
Do men have to pay alimony starting from conception? Just asking the bottom line questions.

 

[firegiver]

You are literally a liar. This decision does not make abortion illegal, and you know that.

Edit: Also, like I have said numerous times, whether something is constitutional or not is not determined by the impact of the decision. It is determined by whether it follows the constitution(and/or amendments).

However you get there this decision is going to make it illegal in about half the states. Nobody cares about the idealism behind it when it actually affects our society. I agree it should have been a law. Same with same sex marriage. But that's because there's money in fighting culture wars

 

[DW4_2016]

Well, at least you get it now. The rest after the bold is not relevant to the decision. You decide constitutional matters based on the constitution(and amendments), not on the effect of the decision. Why is this so hard to understand.
I am not saying you should be okay, or like the outcome. The only other option is to say to heck with the constitution and any current laws and just make legal decisions based on current social perception at the time. Is that what you think should be done? Also, as has been pointed out, if the leaked opinion is accurate, the scotus is not banning abortion. Abortion laws in many states will not be more restrictive. Will it make it harder for some living in deeply conservative states to get an abortion? No question about it. It will not make it impossible however

Im not blaming scotus though. Not in any post. I’m saying those who empowered them are responsible for what is about to happen. they will take no responsibility, but they will be liable nonetheless. These are the same people who say adoption will resolve the issue though, so I don’t put a lot of stock in their brainpower

 

[dpic73]

If you are so concerned about child poverty, here is an idea. How about stop encouraging people to have kids they can not afford by offering them $$$ to do so. If the ends truly justify the means, make birth control a requirement to receive financial aid from the govt. I can guarantee you child poverty would plummet.

Yah, uh huh...your team wants to make that illegal too.

 

[scotchtiger]

When your state outlaws abortion, you will have even more poors running around needing more welfare. Your state will become even more federally dependent.

Yes, the plague of irresponsibility reaches deep into red states as well unfortunately (though I would imagine those welfare recipients overwhelmingly vote democrat - they just happen to live here). This is certainly a downside of reduced access to abortion. I guess one has to weigh their moral feeling about killing a baby with that side effect.

A heavy dose of personal responsibility for both welfare and unwanted pregnancy seems to be the best medicine (complimented by welfare assistance for children and the disabled, along with abortion protection for rape/incest/health), but apparently people think too little of our fellow Americans to entrust them with that solution.

 

[DW4_2016]

Yes, the plague of irresponsibility reaches deep into red states as well unfortunately (though I would imagine those welfare recipients overwhelmingly vote democrat - they just happen to live here). This is certainly a downside of reduced access to abortion. I guess one has to weigh their moral feeling about killing a baby with that side effect.

A heavy dose of personal responsibility for both welfare and unwanted pregnancy seems to be the best medicine (complimented by welfare assistance for children and the disabled, along with abortion protection for rape/incest/health), but apparently people think too little of our fellow Americans to entrust them with that solution.

what would give you hope so far?

 

[scotchtiger]

what would give you hope so far?

Not a lot. Our entitlement policies have enabled and even encouraged poor habits for too long. We need to ween people off of OPM and force personal responsibility.

 

[jakefest]

Posts from the left today on a leaked document that was actually written in FEBRUARY but oddly given to the press in May........all of this outrage is for nothing more than votes, and most of you know that.

Btw - this guy spouts utter f*cking nonsense......no one is banning interracial marriage. It's despicable

 

[DW4_2016]

Not a lot. Our entitlement policies have enabled and even encouraged poor habits for too long. We need to ween people off of OPM and force personal responsibility.

In other words, let people die. Interesting position for someone who is so staunchly anti abortion.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

Posts from the left today on a leaked document that was actually written in FEBRUARY but oddly given to the press in May........all of this outrage is for nothing more than votes, and most of you know that.

Btw - this guy spouts utter f*cking nonsense......no one is banning interracial marriage. It's despicable

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[nytigerfan]

Posts from the left today on a leaked document that was actually written in FEBRUARY but oddly given to the press in May........all of this outrage is for nothing more than votes, and most of you know that.

Btw - this guy spouts utter f*cking nonsense......no one is banning interracial marriage. It's despicable

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{clutches pearls}

gasp! Hyperbole and fear mongering from a politician?! It can only be the dirty dems who do such things!

 

[jakefest]

{clutches pearls}

gasp! Hyperbole and fear mongering from a politician?! It can only be the dirty dems who do such things!

The dems just made a mockery of the supreme court in order to avoid getting their a$$es handed to them in the midterms.......and your response was about Jan 6th......talk about clutching pearls.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

Yah, uh huh...your team wants to make that illegal too.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Lots of looney toons on both aisles. You're even dumber for believing that's the majority opinion, though.

 

[jakefest]

So are fetuses now citizens? Can I put a life insurance policy on an unborn?
Do men have to pay alimony starting from conception? Just asking the bottom line questions.

"Life begins at Conception" Joe Biden - 2012

Seems you have mixed messages coming from the left today

 

[dpic73]

ousPosts from the left today on a leaked document that was actually written in FEBRUARY but oddly given to the press in May........all of this outrage is for nothing more than votes, and most of you know that.

Btw - this guy spouts utter f*cking nonsense......no one is banning interracial marriage. It's despicable

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You laugh but it wasn't long ago that we thought the idea of overturning Roe vs Wade was preposterous. Sorry, but the GOP can't be trusted anymore.

PS - Swallwell is the man!

 

[dpic73]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Lots of looney toons on both aisles. You're even dumber for believing that's the majority opinion, though.

TRUMP ENDORSED candidate.

 

[nytigerfan]

The dems just made a mockery of the supreme court in order to avoid getting their a$$es handed to them in the midterms.......and your response was about Jan 6th......talk about clutching pearls.

Your original post that I responded to was about "the dems" trying to provoke protests. Jan 6th seemed relevant.

This will be interesting. Women delivered the election for Biden. They may deliver the midterms as well. The republicans might have to propose actual policy, instead of just obstructing.

 

[Solid Orange Blood]

TRUMP ENDORSED candidate.

And? That crazy q anon chick that was elected in Georgia is/was Trump backed as well. You're basing your opinions on idiotic premises.

 

[dpic73]

And? That crazy q anon chick that was elected in Georgia Trump backed as well. You're basing your opinions on idiotic premises.

Nothing seems to be too idiotic for the GOP these days.

• Conservative justices lying about Roe to get elected - check
• Texas creating an abortion law that permits anyone to sue someone getting or assisting an abortion - check
• Kentucky creating an abortion law that outlaws abortions even in the case of rape and incest - check
• Utah drafting an abortion law that doesn't even make an exception for "life of the mother" - check
• Governors attacking teachers, history, math books for Chrissakes and Mickey Mouse - check

Give an inch and they demand a mile and never know when to quit. Americans don't like these minority party driven draconian laws and will show up in massive numbers to put an end to this lunacy - CHECK