This should be pretty much unanimous. Drive buckets and buckets of birth control around areas with high out-of-wedlock kid ratios like a freaking ice cream truck.
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This should be pretty much unanimous. Drive buckets and buckets of birth control around areas with high out-of-wedlock kid ratios like a freaking ice cream truck.
A better way would be to require those that get govt assistance due to their inability to care for a child to take mandatory birth control after the first time they have a child they can not afford to care for. We do the opposite. We encourage people to continue to have children they can not care for by offering them even more $$$$ if they have even more children they can not support. This is idiotic and produces exactly the results you would expect.
A “clump” with a brain, spinal cord, beating heart, arms and legs, fingers and toes, a face after a few months.
A Clump with HUMAN cells, HUMAN DNA totally unique to all of HUMANITY, a HUMAN beating heart and HUMAN brain. All this is present in the first few weeks after conception. the baby is alive, the baby isn’t anything other than human but since it’s helpless and can’t defend itself is has no value, it’s as worthless to you as a piece of trash by the road.
There’s that slippery slope slipping. Forced birth control? Holy shit.
The baby is getting all of its nutrients from the mother. It’s a tumor until it’s born.
Social handouts, usually approached differently as a Conservative talking point.
No one would be forced to take birth control anymore than anyone is forced to take out a loan to buy a house. If you don't want/need the $$$ you don't take birth control. It is a choice. Is that not better than encouraging people who do not have the means to support a child to have MORE children that will live in poverty? Not to mention the fact that all too often, the $$$ meant to help the child is spent on the parent/guardian while the child's needs go unmet.
I think there would actually be a small percentage of Americans who would oppose that. Are there really that many people that oppose contraception where you live?
Edit to say all "social handouts", as you call them, are not created equally.
Right, government mandated birth control won’t cost the taxpayers a thing. But that’s your idea so it isn’t a handout? Just a free thing they didn’t pay for which my taxes will be used for.
How can you guys be so against what your party actually stands for and continue calling yourselves conservatives.
‘I am pro life’. And then a whole bunch of qualifiers means you enabled this moronic shit. You are the problem. You’re going to help sort this out though, because you’re the party of personal responsibility. You wouldn’t ever make a mess and walk away. Have you picked out the names for your adopted kids yet?
You have become a pretty awful poster. If you couldn't understand that simple post, I don't know what to say.
WTF dude. You have exposed yourself as a real piece of shit ITT. It's possible to have nuance on a position and not be some raging abortion fan.
And I don't plan on adopting kids - have two of my own - that I responsibly planned for.
Again, no one said anything about the govt mandating birth control. It would be presented as an option/choice. You can take birth control and be provided with financial assistance for a child you chose to have that you could not afford, or you can decline.
Relatively speaking, birth control is not that expensive. There are also multiple benefits. From a purely ROI/$$$ perspective, birth control is much cheaper than paying for a child for 18 yrs. More importantly, it will keep millions of children from being raised in poverty, many of which are in awful circumstances beyond the financial factor. Preventing bad situations is a no brainer, even if here are upfront costs. If it encourages personal responsibility along the way, even better.
Where did I say abortion fan. It’s one thing to get pissy, but you’ve totally lost it.
Appreciate you taking responsibility for your actions.
Chose to have? If they can’t get the clump cleaned out legally how is that a choice? You’re forcing them to have the kid and then threatening the kids life by forcing birth control on the parents.
Make no mistake. these will be unwanted babies who will live in the shittiest conditions. That’s something you’ll have to square with yourself and your god. Feel like he wasn’t the kind of guy to force people to take birth control under any circumstances, but who knows. Only mention of abortion in the Bible tells you how to do it with magic.
Planned Parenthood engaged. This is a huge money issue for them. They make billions of dead baby body parts.
www.cbsnews.com
Planned Parenthood announces record-high election spending ahead of 2020
The reproductive health care giant plans to spend at least $45 million during the 2020 election cycle
www.cbsnews.com
Someone please ask China Joe about this. Oh wait, he wont remember anyway! Lets go Brandon!
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Flashback: In 1982 Joe Biden Voted for Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Roe v Wade and Make It a State Issue | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
“When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v.
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Maybe you are not very well informed, but no one is talking about outright banning abortions. Please link that if you have seen it. So, all this crap about not having access to abortions is just a bunch of bs lies, which is typical of your side. Are you just unable to have a honest discussion? Again, if a baby is unwanted, the mother can get an abortion. The proposed Miss law that is currently being debated by scotus allows abortions up to 15 weeks. Why would it take longer than 15 weeks to get an abortion?
Now that you can unburden your mind about the ridiculous notion of abortions being outright banned, let's move on. So a mother either chooses to have an abortion or not. If not, they then have a CHOICE to make. They can make other people help pay for the child they are choosing to have that they can not afford and take birth control so this situation does not happen again, or they can choose not to have the govt take my $$$ from me and give to them and not take birth control.
I think you'll find the majority of the country are pro-life after a certain point and pro-choice up until a certain point. The majority falls somewhere in that range.
and again, the nation isn't going to ban abortions they are simply going to put more laws around them at the State's discretion.......just like I mentioned with gun laws which vary by state.
Looks like those peaceful (mostly) protests are back.....another summer of looting, rioting and burning up state buildings?
another autonomous zone?
Man the left are totally unhinged when they don't get their way. Lots of crazies talking about civil war over a memo......
another autonomous zone?
Man the left are totally unhinged when they don't get their way. Lots of crazies talking about civil war over a memo......
So, your position after Rowe v Wade is overturned is that abortions will be available readily? After Texas already passed the snitch on your neighbor law? Come to grips with reality. This ruling means back room coat hanger abortions are coming back in a big way. No danger to mom there.
I can totally see how you guys call yourselves pro life.
I’m neither republican or democrat. Not into politics at all but my observation has been that political stances on the right tend to be based in practicality/logic while the political stances on the left are more emotion based if that makes sense. However you’re spot on about the abortion topic. The roles are swapped and the left has the more logical view while the right is the emotional side on this one
Strange that tax payer funded entities can spend large amounts of entity money in donations to political campaigns........more than $616m (2019) in tax payer dollars allocated to Planned Parenthood and $150m going into the midterms, so essentially we all just donated to the democrat midterm campaigns.
Isn't that the definition of money laundering or quid pro quo? Neither side of the aisle should be allowed to accept funding if the donation is from a govt funded entity.
www.reuters.com
Isn't that the definition of money laundering or quid pro quo? Neither side of the aisle should be allowed to accept funding if the donation is from a govt funded entity.
Planned Parenthood, other U.S. abortion rights groups to spend $150 mln on midterms
Three U.S. abortion rights advocacy groups will spend $150 million on the 2022 midterm elections, focusing on battleground states as they step up efforts to safeguard abortion access across the country, they said on Monday.
www.reuters.com
Question. Who do you think leaked it?
It can only be the side with the most to gain. We know who that is. It’s like this isn’t a huge deal within the media, where it should be.
Well, the better way starts with adults understanding where babies come from and being responsible. Babies shouldn't have to pay the price for the irresponsibility of adults. That will take care of the majority of the problem right there.
i am certain a liberal leaning person leaked it. It maybe it was just someone who wanted to get paid. But saying “the dems” leaked it is a little too broad for me. That is like saying “reminder that time that the republicans were arrested for trying to shoot up that pizzeria that was at the center of pizza gate?”
A leak is a big deal, and I don’t what media you watch but the ones I have seen have been covering that side of the story.
this would have all been made public in June when the decision would be announced. It’s going to help the dems tremendously in the midterm.
the hypocrisy here is that republicans say “we are pro choice up to a certain point” and then also go out of there way to make as hard as possible for a woman to get an abortion before that point. For some women, the 15 week window gives them very little time. Once they realize they are pregnant, argue with the father, wrestle with the decision, then they are a left with a few days to get the abortion. And then they find out that republicans have defunded all of the local free clinics and the closet one is 5 hours away.
I will readily admit I don't keep up with every law passed, but the the snitch law you are referencing does seem unnecessary. It is already legal to report others breaking the law right? why would abortion law need a special provision. Even so, they are not "snitching" on people simply having abortions in TX as abortions are not banned in TX- nor will they be. The only state I see even a remote possibility of banning abortions altogether would be NV - which voted for Joe by the way.
So to answer your question, I do think abortions will be readily available, up to a certain time limit in every state with the possible exception of NV - which again voted for Joe.
Question for all - does abortion affect your vote? Seems it’s a hot/emotional topic, but I don’t really know anyone who votes based on a candidate’s abortion stance.
I’m sure the hardcore pro life and pro choice people are already firmly in one political camp. Maybe it influences turnout a bit?
Personally, it doesn’t register as a factor at all.
I’m sure the hardcore pro life and pro choice people are already firmly in one political camp. Maybe it influences turnout a bit?
Personally, it doesn’t register as a factor at all.
Obviously a hypothetical, but if the original Roe decision had gone the other way and outlawed abortions, the same reasoning Alito applied would have also overturned that decision. The issue is not whether abortion is right or wrong but whether it is addressed in the constitution, which most legal scholars believe it is not. If people don’t like it then add an amendment to the constitution.
For the record, I am pro choice, although I think there comes a time in the pregnancy when it should not be allowed.
fun fact. Abortion was not even a factor in American politics until 1980. Nobody really cared about it. Carter was president and had done something to mightily piss off Jerry Falwell, so Falwell approached Reagan (the pro choice governer of Cali), and convinced him that if he could grab the religious right vote if he campaigned on pro life and stopping the killing of babies. He did, he won and it has been a signature part of the Republican Party since. Taxes, guns and abortion.
Not for me. I am in the middle on abortion. I am not extreme pro or against. My view on the current case has little to do with my view on abortion. It is based on my view of the constitution and the fact that I do not believe there is anything there that pertains to abortion. Thus, the Roe case was decided in error - not based on whether abortion is right or wrong, but based on the fact it is not a constitutionally protected right.
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