Not in the slightest ...
the economy economy economy economy economy ... that is what I will base my vote on
Roe V Wade is about to be overturned
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the economy economy economy economy economy ... that is what I will base my vote on
and yet ... even then ... it wasnt a major issue in that election. The #1 issue was the economy and out of control inflation ....
What is always so frustrating is the anti abortion people also tend to be the most anti-birthcontrol and sex education people. You can't have it both ways.
I tend to be pretty close to @scotchtiger on this topic. Nobody is pro-abortion, but there are real consequences to outlawing abortion
1. Please stop thinking I gaf about joe Biden.
2. You’re already incorrect in assuming that state level laws haven’t made it almost impossible to get abortions.
an "unwanted pregnancy" is also an "unwanted human being"
amazing how people glorify the killing of a human child.
or be so nonchalant about having sex and being so wreckless that killing a human is ok.
our society is so fukked up.
luckily for the dems, gas prices have started to go down and inflation is expected to follow soon. Since the right has blamed ten dems exclusively for these problems, they should get exclusive credit for fixing them as well. That plus women and young voters coming out in force now with this roe decision, looking like a dem majority again. Man what a difference a week can make.
If you removed the moral dilemma, conservatives would be all for pro-choice. About 19million black fetuses and 40% of abortions are from black females, which made up like what, 13% or so of the population. Massive majority are from low socioeconmic backgrounds. If these unwanted pregnancies were allowed to survive, we're talking major strains on taxpayers to take care of these people, higher crimes, etc.
It's a pretty decent way to control the population. Again, this is removing any morality out of the situation.
tell me about the morality of someone else's choice. will that affect your life? aren't we against the government telling us what to do?
big government conservatives at the rescue.
no. a child is a child. a pregnancy is a pregnancy. two very different words with two very different definitions. maybe that's part of the problem, you guys not able to use a dictionary?
I meant more the morality issue of the "white man republican" being ok with abortion as a form of population control because it may help that certain group stay in power, which would obviously be disgusting as well.
if you make it almost impossible for the mom to not have the baby and then give her no assistance what do you think will happen? it's a two for one. Republicans aren't as dumb as you think. sick fvcks, but not dumb.
Diesel is $6.20 pg in NJ........that's a 100% rise compared to May last year. Gas prices aren't going down
The sad thing is that most of these politicians (on both sides) just say whatever they need to say in order to get elected.
Who do you think it really helps with? I’m not arguing that. I think by now people are past having their mind made up and the economy is the number one driver.
It does not affect my vote at all. I know many, many successful people and I don’t think it would affect their vote either. It may affect some people who are undecided and live in trailer parks.
Dems are Fundraising like crazy since the leak. Voter registration spiking also. Like I said above, if inflation and gas prices continue to go down, the dems will be in good shape in the midterms. There a lot of independents who don't by the rights explanation that inflation and gas prices are all Joe Biden's fault.
Understanding how Ukraine, the pipeline, etc affect gas prices is hard. Understanding the right to choose not to have your rapists' baby is easy. The dems are successfully messaging the future rights that can be taken away b/c if Roe. It's effective.
they most assuredly will, and I can confirm that republicans will do all their power to keep the prices high. Just look at Greg Abbott’s stunt at the border to search commercial trucks. It produced very few arrests and seizures, but it did succeed is spoiling $240mm worth of produce heading to the US. Do you think that helped inflation?
given your penchant for being fair and balanced, and your healthy disdain for dirty politics, I am sure you are irate.
HA, HA !!! so $240M worth of produce is causing inflation, but trillions of $$$ in spending had no impact, and proposing another multi trillion$ spending package is a good idea as well, lol. Amazing.
What other rights could be taken away exactly?
I do think this hurts the GOP. They need to come out with some safe/legal/rare, rape/incest/health and first trimester policy. That’s where the majority of the country is.
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the fundamentals used to make this decision will also apply to gay marriage just to name one of many.
why not? if we can take away other rights why not allow us to hire based on sex and race again?
We are doing that now just in case you did not know.
Seems like a man they call US president with the initials JRB did just this thing a few months ago.
Let’s execute the leaker
then the next leaker will think before leaking
I think Sotomyer
She is a total partisan hack
yep called affirmative action
if I were a Latino or Oriental I would be suing the crap out of Black job applicants
Every hiring with affirmative action taints the hiring or head start
the moment I hear or learn that someone got preferential treatment like that I shy away from them
now I don’t shy away based on race but on incompetence and that includes white folks who exude incompetence and want me to buy into their crap
And you know this how? Your party is in the hands of extremists now, so there seems to be no floor to how low they will go. And when they do the thing you say is only fear mongering, you'll write a manifesto a day explaining why it's really no big deal.
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What the leaker did was not a crime (and I am not defending what they did). I find it funny that you guys are saying progressives are crazy for saying that red states could outlaw gay marriage, and yet here you are calling for the execution of someone who has committed no crime.
The precedent being set is that more of these things should be decided at the state level. So you see could things like gay marriage being challenged and won on this new, far right religious supreme court.
Whether this is feasible or not, the point is that the dems are fundraising like gangbusters on these messages. Voter registration through the roof. It is a big deal.
I have a feeling one of those migrant hordes of ISIS immigrant terrorists will be marching towards our border earlier this year than in previous years. The republicans need to change the conversation.
Not so fast. This is what happens when you allow red states to make their own laws. If this Louisiana bill were to be enacted, anyone assisting with an abortion would be charged with murder - and it starts at CONCEPTION.
https://thehill.com/news/state-watc...on-a-crime-of-homicide-in-louisiana-advances/
A few of points. Just think if every bill bernnie/aoc/etc wanted were enacted. So, let me know when it passes- I seriously doubt it has a chance. Second, let's just assume it does. That would mean someone may have to spend half, or (gasp) even a whole business day round trip to get an abortion somewhere else.
Lastly, and most importantly, if roe is overturned, it will not be because the scotus is antiabortion. It will be bc they rightly believe that abortion was not addressed in the constitution and therefore the decision in roe that assumed it was a constitutional right was in error. What happens based on how they rule is absolutely irrelevant. If scotus knew for a 100% fact that abortion would be banned in every state if they overturned roe, that would be/is completely irrelevant to whether or not the roe decision was constitutional. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. It is a pretty elementary notion as it relates to constitutional law.
We don't have to wonder what would happen if the far left tried to enact bills because we know from experience that they rarely make it through. But we are talking about state governments, not Congress. Stay on subject.
Secondly, Louisiana is surrounded by other red states and there's no telling how far they will go to enact similar bills - they all are in a race to the bottom of late. How benevolent of you to allow a young rape victim who probably has no money in the first place to pay travel expenses to go to a state that allows it. If Roe is overturned, that will likely mean she'll have to travel to the northeast or out west. Even the day after her egg was fertilized.
Thirdly, this landmark decision has been in effect since 1973 and there is no reason it needs to be overturned now. But now that the court is stacked with conservatives, Christian sharia is in full effect. Screw your pretty words that absolve them.
Driving from mississippi you'd be at minimum 12 hours from the nearest place you could get a legal abortion. that won't put any women at risk of dying during a backroom procedure because they cant afford that much time or cost. or, an even better idea, why not let's make the woman have the baby she couldnt afford to drive and abort. she will give it the highest standard of care and education. she'll have it all figured out 9 months later.
or we can pretend that these kids will be adopted. that fantasy always makes a conservative happy. maybe not enough to actually adopt any of the babies, but happy thought nonetheless.
Obviously you have no understanding of the constitution or constitutional law, so I will quit trying to explain that part to you.
Again, you projecting all red states banning abortion is simply not going to happen. As @iceheart08 pointed out in a post just above that the people who believe in a total ban on abortion make up an extremely small percentage of the country, so don't take my word for it take his. Thus, logic would dictate abortion being banned is extremely unlikely in ANY state, much less the majority of states. The proposal you cited was the opinion of 10 people in LA, not the entire state legislature.
Again, assuming La actually did ban abortion a woman may have to drive 2 hours to TX instead of an hour to a major city in LA to get one. Right now that would add a little cost since gas prices, along with everything else, have sky rocketed, but once we win the midterms and get govt spending and costs under control, that should make her trip much more affordable even if she doesn't have to go to the neighboring state.
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