SC Congressman Jim Clybourn

[fatpiggy]

This is why we have problems folks. This stupidity rages through Washington.

If Clybourn is your district, vote his ass out and replace him with someone who understands basic economics

 

[UrHuckleberry]

This is why we have problems folks. This stupidity rages through Washington.

If Clybourn is your district, vote his ass out and replace him with someone who understands basic economics

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Out of curiosity, do you think cash is coming out of the bank in this situation?

 

[scotchtiger]

Out of curiosity, do you think cash is coming out of the bank in this situation?

Does it matter? Whether you write a check or cancel future receivables, the taxpayers lose.

 

[fatpiggy]

Out of curiosity, do you think cash is coming out of the bank in this situation?

Either the tax payer pays for it directly, or through inflation. Those are the only two options.

 

[loveoysters]

Either the tax payer pays for it directly, or through inflation. Those are the only two options.

Please do not confuse him with facts.

 

[CUT93]

Out of curiosity, do you think cash is coming out of the bank in this situation?

Of course not! The govt doesn't have a bank. The only $$ they have is what they take from other people. From strictly an accounting perspective, it is no different than decreasing taxes, which dems fight so hard against. The difference in reality is that taxes are are $$$ taken from citizens for $$$ they have worked for and earned while this $$$ is what the govt gave to other people and did not pay back.

It's interesting to me that so many dems are in favor of higher taxes bc they think it is "fair", yet I have not heard of one single person who pays more in taxes than they are required to pay. If it is the right thing to do, why don't you do it without someone pointing a gun to you head and making you do it?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Out of curiosity, do you think cash is coming out of the bank in this situation?

No it is piled on your part of the National Debt

Thank Biden for putting debt on you without the consent of Congress which is the law which he is ignoring if you care to know

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

To be clear he is NOT FORGIVING DEBT

Biden is rearranging who will be paying it off

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

BTW Clyburn is a Moron

 

[scotchtiger]

Have you guys looked at Clyburn’s gerrymandered district? He’s untouchable.

 

[Dadar]

Unfortunately a comrade of Putin has taken over the Republican party. Wish we had better choices. If the only choices were Trump & Putin, I would have to write in someone else. Is the risk to Democracy that Trump presents really worth jumping into. Do you Trump supporters want to live in an autocratic nation? If so, Steven Segan might welcome you I hope folks are looking at the big picture. Unfortunately, we only have 2 choices. Wish we had better choices on both sides

 

[Willence]

Everyone on both sides needs to stop nominating and electing profoundly stupid people in the US Congress. They are everywhere and he's certainly one of the truly special idiots in the mix. Amazingly though, he's not even in the Top 20 in the House Democratic Caucus.

Fiscal understanding is at an all time low and sadly this goes for all parties involved. Very few people actually give a crap about the amount of debt we're accumulating and the pace at which we're accumulating it. The selfishness on display by the electorate in this country is unforgivable.

 

[Dungeon09]

Ian Miles Cheong is an actual pedo who lives overseas and isn’t a US citizen but takes in bucks from rubes like Slowball here and the foreign intelligence services that pay him to stir up hate and discontent cosplaing as an American on social media.

The debts that are being forgiven are ones that are far beyond the initial debt schedule, meaning that the principal and the original projected interest have already been recouped and what’s being forgiven is remaining balances above and beyond the original total capitalization of the loan. You’d think conservatives would be in favor of the federal government getting out of the business of predatory lending and periodic debt jubilees are required in biblical law (and described far more explicitly than any prohibition on homosexuality at that), but I guess we can just add this to the list of supposed principals y’all are willing to violate and parts of the Bible you will conveniently ignore.

 

[PawsFan_]

This is why we have problems folks. This stupidity rages through Washington.

If Clybourn is your district, vote his ass out and replace him with someone who understands basic economics

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The odds of Clyburn ever being voted of office is near zero.

 

[moradatiger70]

Have you guys looked at Clyburn’s gerrymandered district? He’s untouchable.

I'm designing a water main right thru his district and will not take a site visit with carrying!

 

[Dungeon09]

Have you guys looked at Clyburn’s gerrymandered district? He’s untouchable.

Which party draws the district lines in SC? Why was North Charleston split off and placed in SC6 instead of Nancy Mace’s district? I’ll wait for those answers.

 

[Willence]

Gerrymandering has been so bad for this country. The very idea that we can draw districts to "fix" the game is outlandish. That's the primary driver of what has destroyed the two major parties. Competition makes everyone better. The absence of competition breeds a whole host of really bad outcomes.

 

[Dadar]

We can all complain about something related to taxes and with a fiat currency that has been in demand as ihr reserve currency for global trade, politicians on both sides have not constrained the excessive debt. Nixon made the final push to open the hen house doors to print money and expand debt

 

[TigerGrowls]

Have you guys looked at Clyburn’s gerrymandered district? He’s untouchable.

And this is why he can get on TV and say anything he wants and not worry about it. The democratic party is also counting on a continuing dumbing down of the population so the BS will not be challenged.

 

[WapPride]

And this is why he can get on TV and say anything he wants and not worry about it. The democratic party is also counting on a continuing dumbing down of the population so the BS will not be challenged.

Remind me again which party is against higher education and is pulling money out of public education and putting it into voucher systems that overwhelmingly benefit upper middle class children?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Remind me again which party is against higher education and is pulling money out of public education and putting it into voucher systems that overwhelmingly benefit upper middle class children?

LOL bro. Go drink a beer. This is weak.

 

[anon_5e8aassgcbjz1]

Have you guys looked at Clyburn’s gerrymandered district? He’s untouchable.

Good reason to take action against gerrymandering

 

[scotchtiger]

Which party draws the district lines in SC? Why was North Charleston split off and placed in SC6 instead of Nancy Mace’s district? I’ll wait for those answers.

Republicans and to put as many AAs as possible into a single district.

 

[Willence]

Remind me again which party is against higher education and is pulling money out of public education and putting it into voucher systems that overwhelmingly benefit upper middle class children?

This isn't true at all in the way you say it. It's a very disingenuous take on a very legitimate problem. The results in the areas you mentioned are pretty much self evident and it is obvious alternative paths are needed.

 

[anon_gwg7wjjhm2lka]

Everyone on both sides needs to stop nominating and electing profoundly stupid people in the US Congress. They are everywhere and he's certainly one of the truly special idiots in the mix. Amazingly though, he's not even in the Top 20 in the House Democratic Caucus.

Fiscal understanding is at an all time low and sadly this goes for all parties involved. Very few people actually give a crap about the amount of debt we're accumulating and the pace at which we're accumulating it. The selfishness on display by the electorate in this country is unforgivable.

If you don’t like it, then vote Dem for pres and rep for every other position. This won’t be fixed until the Supreme Court reverses citizens united. And for that to happen, the court needs to be left leaning.

The issue is that the people who win nominations are those who can attract the most campaign funding. How do they attract that funding? By showing people what a great return on investment a donation to their campaign will be either through govt programs or tax cuts.

No reason this couldn’t be Haley vs Buttigieg in this election. It in 2028 we will probably have dueling disasters of desantis and newsome.

 

[Allornothing]

Unfortunately a comrade of Putin has taken over the Republican party. Wish we had better choices. If the only choices were Trump & Putin, I would have to write in someone else. Is the risk to Democracy that Trump presents really worth jumping into. Do you Trump supporters want to live in an autocratic nation? If so, Steven Segan might welcome you I hope folks are looking at the big picture. Unfortunately, we only have 2 choices. Wish we had better choices on both sides

You can write-in whoever you want to.

You should really vote for yourself. That 1 vote may get you over the top.

 

[Willence]

If you don’t like it, then vote Dem for pres and rep for every other position. This won’t be fixed until the Supreme Court reverses citizens united. And for that to happen, the court needs to be left leaning.

The issue is that the people who win nominations are those who can attract the most campaign funding. How do they attract that funding? By showing people what a great return on investment a donation to their campaign will be either through govt programs or tax cuts.

No reason this couldn’t be Haley vs Buttigieg in this election. It in 2028 we will probably have dueling disasters of desantis and newsome.

There's nothing wrong with that decision. The problem lies in the fact that we don't make laws to limit the impact of that. I would never vote for a Democrat under any circumstances with the current views that they have across the board.

Trying to parlay what I said into the citizens United decision or anything of that nature is weak sauce. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with any of that stuff. You got to be kidding with the mayor Pete reference. He's worse than Harris and that's saying a lot.

 

[WapPride]

This isn't true at all in the way you say it. It's a very disingenuous take on a very legitimate problem. The results in the areas you mentioned are pretty much self evident and it is obvious alternative paths are needed.

Which statement? Republicans have been demonizing higher education for years. Claims of indoctrination, anti Republican sentiment, etc are staples of current GOP elected officials. Yes, there are hyper lib schools, just like there are hyper right wing schools. However, the prevailing argument from the GOP that colleges are indoctrinating kids with left wing ideology is stupid and mainly targeting fear mongering for simpletons.

Re: voucher programs - https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/no-accountability-vouchers-wreak-havoc-states

 

[anon_gwg7wjjhm2lka]

There's nothing wrong with that decision. The problem lies in the fact that we don't make laws to limit the impact of that. I would never vote for a Democrat under any circumstances with the current views that they have across the board.

Trying to parlay what I said into the citizens United decision or anything of that nature is weak sauce. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with any of that stuff. You got to be kidding with the mayor Pete reference. He's worse than Harris and that's saying a lot.

Then don’t bitch about the candidates if you don’t want to work towards a solution.

Next time you want to complain, look in the mirror and ask yourself why you vote for party over country.

 

[Willence]

Then don’t bitch about the candidates if you don’t want to work towards a solution.

Next time you want to complain, look in the mirror and ask yourself why you vote for party over country.

So let's see...

A) You have no idea which candidates I support.
B) I can't work toward a solution because I can't fix that people are so uneducated about the political process. If you want a suggestion, I think there should be a rather stringent civics test given to people before they can vote or they can serve in the military as an alternative.
C) I am an independent. How exactly do you think I would ever choose party over country? I could ask the same of you given a lot of the views you've expressed.

Government is rarely the solution to problems. Rarely does any form of public anything provide a better option than a moral public sector otherwise could. I can complain because I am a very principled voter. You're operating on an awful lot of presumptions which given your posting history, is not surprising. To get to where you want to go, it requires taking a lot of leaps beyond any form of truth.

 

[Willence]

Which statement? Republicans have been demonizing higher education for years. Claims of indoctrination, anti Republican sentiment, etc are staples of current GOP elected officials. Yes, there are hyper lib schools, just like there are hyper right wing schools. However, the prevailing argument from the GOP that colleges are indoctrinating kids with left wing ideology is stupid and mainly targeting fear mongering for simpletons.

Re: voucher programs - https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/no-accountability-vouchers-wreak-havoc-states

Did you actually link an NEA article to justify a point you're making? Seriously? That's a union that should not exist. The best step we could take in education and government in general is the abolition of public sector unions.

That being said, what goes on at colleges is self evident. That you choose not to recognize it is your call. We've seen the power of schools with what has gone on in Gaza schools. We've kept our children out of those climates all their lives and the results have completely justified that approach. And there's nothing simple about what's going on. What's simple is the observation of your willful blindness to reality because you're so invested in a reality that doesn't exist.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Unfortunately a comrade of Putin has taken over the Republican party. Wish we had better choices. If the only choices were Trump & Putin, I would have to write in someone else. Is the risk to Democracy that Trump presents really worth jumping into. Do you Trump supporters want to live in an autocratic nation? If so, Steven Segan might welcome you I hope folks are looking at the big picture. Unfortunately, we only have 2 choices. Wish we had better choices on both sides

@Dadar I have noticed that you have become the latest TDS troll and resident quack

Keep doing what you are doing as you are Mr. Obvious

Geez work at some deception

 

[anon_gwg7wjjhm2lka]

So let's see...

A) You have no idea which candidates I support.
B) I can't work toward a solution because I can't fix that people are so uneducated about the political process. If you want a suggestion, I think there should be a rather stringent civics test given to people before they can vote or they can serve in the military as an alternative.
C) I am an independent. How exactly do you think I would ever choose party over country? I could ask the same of you given a lot of the views you've expressed.

Government is rarely the solution to problems. Rarely does any form of public anything provide a better option than a moral public sector otherwise could. I can complain because I am a very principled voter. You're operating on an awful lot of presumptions which given your posting history, is not surprising. To get to where you want to go, it requires taking a lot of leaps beyond any form of truth.

You literally just said you would never vote dem. That’s not being an independent.

And you bitched about the quality of candidates, which is rational but then blamed it on a lack of civic knowledge, which is not. It’s also ironic because you aren’t capable of making the link and looking at the history of our electorates since citizens united was deemed constitutional.

Then you say you want a test before people can vote but also say that government is rarely the solution to problem.

Man, you are full of contradictions. No wonder why you are so pissed off.

 

[WapPride]

Did you actually link an NEA article to justify a point you're making? Seriously? That's a union that should not exist. The best step we could take in education and government in general is the abolition of public sector unions.

That being said, what goes on at colleges is self evident. That you choose not to recognize it is your call. We've seen the power of schools with what has gone on in Gaza schools. We've kept our children out of those climates all their lives and the results have completely justified that approach. And there's nothing simple about what's going on. What's simple is the observation of your willful blindness to reality because you're so invested in a reality that doesn't exist.

Sigh. Okay. Maybe one of these links and studies will be sufficient for you. When you say “Gaza schools” do you mean students and faculty at universities across the world that are condemning the indiscriminate killing of children and civilians by targeted Israeli attacks?

Research on school vouchers suggests concerns ahead for education savings accounts

The last decade of research on traditional vouchers strongly suggests they actually lower academic achievement.

www.brookings.edu

Nearly Half of Universal Voucher Applicants from Wealthier Communities as Total State Private School Subsidies Reaches $600 Million - Grand Canyon Institute

Key Findings:

grandcanyoninstitute.org

Report: Majority of Iowa’s voucher recipients already went to private school

Two-thirds of students who received a private school voucher in Iowa this year were already enrolled in private school, according to new data from the Iowa

iowastartingline.com

Arizona Parents are Using Public Ed $ for Kayaks, Trampolines & SeaWorld Tickets

When former Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey signed a law last year that lets any family receive public funds for private school or homeschooling, he said he “trusts parents to choose what works best” for their children. Over 46,000 Arizona students now use an education savings account, or ESA, which...

www.yahoo.com

School vouchers now going to more wealthy, private school students, study says

Students who use private school vouchers in Ohio are coming from wealthier families than previous voucher recipients, and are more likely to have attended a private school before getting a voucher, a new study from the Ohio Education Policy Institute suggests.

www.ideastream.org

 

[Willence]

Sigh. Okay. Maybe one of these links and studies will be sufficient for you. When you say “Gaza schools” do you mean students and faculty at universities across the world that are condemning the indiscriminate killing of children and civilians by targeted Israeli attacks?

Research on school vouchers suggests concerns ahead for education savings accounts

The last decade of research on traditional vouchers strongly suggests they actually lower academic achievement.

www.brookings.edu

Nearly Half of Universal Voucher Applicants from Wealthier Communities as Total State Private School Subsidies Reaches $600 Million - Grand Canyon Institute

Key Findings:

grandcanyoninstitute.org

Report: Majority of Iowa’s voucher recipients already went to private school

Two-thirds of students who received a private school voucher in Iowa this year were already enrolled in private school, according to new data from the Iowa

iowastartingline.com

Arizona Parents are Using Public Ed $ for Kayaks, Trampolines & SeaWorld Tickets

When former Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey signed a law last year that lets any family receive public funds for private school or homeschooling, he said he “trusts parents to choose what works best” for their children. Over 46,000 Arizona students now use an education savings account, or ESA, which...

www.yahoo.com

School vouchers now going to more wealthy, private school students, study says

Students who use private school vouchers in Ohio are coming from wealthier families than previous voucher recipients, and are more likely to have attended a private school before getting a voucher, a new study from the Ohio Education Policy Institute suggests.

www.ideastream.org

With reference to schools in Gaza, I'm talking about the fact that the schools there were indoctrinating kids to love Hamas and hate the Jews. It's illustrated by the fact that the vast majority of people in Gaza support Hamas even today by all available data. Your use of "indiscriminate killing of children and civilians" is such an irresponsible way of portraying what's going on. The world has bungled this situation massively and it's led to truly tragic results. Perhaps the results were going to be that way no matter what but what's gone on is one of the most intellectually dishonest things I have ever seen. I'm sorry to see you put yourself in that camp.

As for vouchers, there's not a system we can concoct that the powerful and wealthy won't seek to exploit. Where we live, families spend thousands on tutors, college coaches, SAT training classes, etc. so they can give their kids all the advantages they could ever have in the pursuit of college. It's absolutely absurd what goes on. I have a huge problem with what goes on. We continue to allow people with means to grow the gap between them and everyone else via artificial means and it's not working. It is being revealed what a terrible mess these people are as young adults. Handing kids everything is not the answer. We have avoided in all possible ways parenting our kids that way.

The reason for the above paragraph is to say that because people exploit something doesn't mean we should abandon something that could help others if we work to implement it better. As my post history will demonstrate, I am very much anti-public education as it exists now. It's not because I think teachers are bad or anything else like that. It's because the data shows we're not helping the people who need it most get ahead in life. The framework isn't one that can be successful for those we should be doing all we can to serve. All that is to say it's fascinating your objection to all this is the reason I feel the current system is a complete failure. We have to do things differently and better. Reliance on government to solve any of our problems is the genesis point of overwhelming failures more often than not.

 

[Willence]

You literally just said you would never vote dem. That’s not being an independent.

And you bitched about the quality of candidates, which is rational but then blamed it on a lack of civic knowledge, which is not. It’s also ironic because you aren’t capable of making the link and looking at the history of our electorates since citizens united was deemed constitutional.

Then you say you want a test before people can vote but also say that government is rarely the solution to problem.

Man, you are full of contradictions. No wonder why you are so pissed off.

Government is a necessary evil. We can't have no government. The Founders realized that. But its scope and what it does must be as limited as humanly possible. Government is rarely the solution to a problem which by definition means that occasionally it is a solution to a problem.

It's so funny how people don't understand Citizens United. You must be one of those people who thinks that SCOTUS should decide what's right. That's not its role at all. It decides what is constitutional. Then there is an apparatus in place in the legislative branch to correct the errors. A lot of things were "constitutional" that weren't right and over our history, we've fixed those things with the amendment process in our Constitution.

I said I would never vote for Democrat with their current platform. If they became pro-life, fiscal conservatives who want to shrink the government by 90% and promote freedom and liberty, I would vote Democrat all day long. Unfortunately, they generally believe the exact opposite of those things. The GOP isn't a whole lot better. Hence, I am an independent. My views go largely unrepresented in the current political climate.

 

[WapPride]

With reference to schools in Gaza, I'm talking about the fact that the schools there were indoctrinating kids to love Hamas and hate the Jews. It's illustrated by the fact that the vast majority of people in Gaza support Hamas even today by all available data. Your use of "indiscriminate killing of children and civilians" is such an irresponsible way of portraying what's going on. The world has bungled this situation massively and it's led to truly tragic results. Perhaps the results were going to be that way no matter what but what's gone on is one of the most intellectually dishonest things I have ever seen. I'm sorry to see you put yourself in that camp.

As for vouchers, there's not a system we can concoct that the powerful and wealthy won't seek to exploit. Where we live, families spend thousands on tutors, college coaches, SAT training classes, etc. so they can give their kids all the advantages they could ever have in the pursuit of college. It's absolutely absurd what goes on. I have a huge problem with what goes on. We continue to allow people with means to grow the gap between them and everyone else via artificial means and it's not working. It is being revealed what a terrible mess these people are as young adults. Handing kids everything is not the answer. We have avoided in all possible ways parenting our kids that way.

The reason for the above paragraph is to say that because people exploit something doesn't mean we should abandon something that could help others if we work to implement it better. As my post history will demonstrate, I am very much anti-public education as it exists now. It's not because I think teachers are bad or anything else like that. It's because the data shows we're not helping the people who need it most get ahead in life. The framework isn't one that can be successful for those we should be doing all we can to serve. All that is to say it's fascinating your objection to all this is the reason I feel the current system is a complete failure. We have to do things differently and better. Reliance on government to solve any of our problems is the genesis point of overwhelming failures more often than not.

Why would I give a shit about what universities in the Near East are doing? I’m concerned about domestic universities, not ones in areas that have been at war for decades.

Israel is killing civilians at a ridiculous clip. That’s an indisputable fact. Hamas has done terrible things to both Israeli civilians and non hamas supporting Palestinians, but that doesn’t give Israel carte blanche to be reckless with their attacks.

I’m aware of your anti public education sentiment, and I agree to an extent. The biggest issue, imo, is tying education funding to local taxes. It ends up creating education deserts in impoverished areas and schools in affluent areas improve at an exponential rate in comparison. I agree it needs to be overhauled, but the voucher system is not the answer.

 

[scotchtiger]

I’m aware of your anti public education sentiment, and I agree to an extent. The biggest issue, imo, is tying education funding to local taxes. It ends up creating education deserts in impoverished areas and schools in affluent areas improve at an exponential rate in comparison. I agree it needs to be overhauled, but the voucher system is not the answer.

I don’t know how you break that apart. A big driver for more affluent areas is better schools. People are willing to pay more to live in better school zones. People have invested hundreds of thousands (or even millions) more in homes to provide a better education for their kids. Nobody is going to be willing to give that up, worsen the educational opportunities for their kids and damage their property values. And they shouldn’t.

 

[WapPride]

I don’t know how you break that apart. A big driver for more affluent areas is better schools. People are willing to pay more to live in better school zones. People have invested hundreds of thousands (or even millions) more in homes to provide a better education for their kids. Nobody is going to be willing to give that up, worsen the educational opportunities for their kids and damage their property values. And they shouldn’t.

You fund it federally. Allocate equal money from the federal coffers instead of local taxes. The affluent will still send their kids to private and charter schools (which shouldn’t receive any government funding) but the playing field gets leveled for everyone else. Like 8% of school funding comes the fed - rest is state and local. Maybe make it purely state and federal, idk. But local taxes being the majority of funding has caused nothing but a growing chasm between the haves and have nots.

We also should have school lunch debt, either, but that’s another discussion.

 

[scotchtiger]

You fund it federally. Allocate equal money from the federal coffers instead of local taxes. The affluent will still send their kids to private and charter schools (which shouldn’t receive any government funding) but the playing field gets leveled for everyone else. Like 8% of school funding comes the fed - rest is state and local. Maybe make it purely state and federal, idk. But local taxes being the majority of funding has caused nothing but a growing chasm between the haves and have nots.

We also should have school lunch debt, either, but that’s another discussion.

Where will the additional federal funding come from? We’re already running a massive deficit and have a ton of debt. We need to decrease spending overall, so even more significant cuts will be needed elsewhere.

I could see a hybrid model where the feds supplement the lower income areas (more than they do). But better schools in better neighborhoods are core to property values and reversing that could rob people of hundreds of thousands of dollars that they have invested in their homes.

If funding were shifted to the federal level, would there be an offset to lower local taxes? I would assume so right?