The NYC Health Commissioner stated they were prepared for this, and they knew this was a respiratory infection, so I'm just trying to understand how they failed in this whole situation.
Yeah, and guess what? The president doesn't know (probably forgot) that GM sold the Lordstown, Ohio plant.
I'm telling you, this president has screwed up everything in this crisis. Fighting with governors; fighting with Mitt Romney; not speaking with Speaker Pelosi; late to recognize the seriousness of the crisis ("We have 15 cases, soon to be zero"); now apparently fighting with GM. Way to go, Mr. President.
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my guy, I can play this same game with the federal government , using your same arguments.
And for the record, it seems like the city does have ventilators in stock to lend to hospitals, so it appears they were indeed prepared ...
I am fearful that our country wildly and willfully ignored this risk early on and is still vastly underestimating it even now. Many in the USA have been way too confident that our systems (health and otherwise) and our citizenry somehow will deal with it better than other countries. China, Italy, etc. have said they are on a war footing for a reason. Why we cannot look at the experiences of other countries and learn from them is hard for me to understand.
Since early February at the latest, this country should have been on a war footing to keep the virus out by all means necessary (including no entrants except US citizens and even they should have had a forced 15-20 day quarantine on military bases), spent whatever resources were necessary to massively test and trace inside the country for any that escaped through the net, and should have been mass producing personal protection and medical equipment as if at total war. What would have been the downside other than maybe wasting a few tens of billions of dollars at the most for mostly equipment that could have been sold or given to poor parts of the USA?
It is the most egregious failure of leadership I have witnessed in my lifetime at every level of government (including both political parties), the medical and scientific community, the media, and academia. They have all failed their constituents on an unimaginable scale. How we can be in exactly the position of China 2 months ago (except it is worse because we are more mobile than China) is beyond ridiculous. We had the model for what would happen. We essentially repeated China's mistakes even with their example staring us in the face.
Now the question is whether our less dense population positions us to avoid the worst of it and whether we are willing to do what China did to get it under control. Otherwise, we will be the guinea pig for a policy no other country has tried, and we will be testing it on our country and the biggest economy in the world. It would have been nice to have bought time first at the least to see how other countries fared under different strategies.
One month ago today, Trump said "when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."
Do we have zero cases now? Would have been nice to still have the pandemic response team wouldn’t it?
The problem is after he said all that Fox News had a huge headline on their evening show that said “Corona Virus Hoax” so whether Trump meant that or not that’s what his media arm and, by extension, many of his supporters took from it. You can go back and read this board from February and there were tons of references to a “media hoax” related to this virus
I guess my first question to you is what exactly did you want Trump to do? Every country in the world is going to fail when trying to combat a virus we have never seen. Im not sure there is anything that can be done to get a passing grade in terms of handling a pandemic, if you are the size of the United States and hold our form of government. If you manage to do it you are a miracle worker.
Can we at least get some stats of how our country did comparatively to others (and im not talking about number of cases, because we have roughly 350 million people residing here) before we claim this to be the worst mismanagement of all time.
I'm just relaying the facts of what he actually said. Cause all of the media can be deceiving.
That didn’t go away, right? Just put in a different agency. All the team members, save the director (who moved to another agency) are still there
i just wish he wouldn’t have downplayed it so much at the start. Yeah, he shouldn’t have Fired the pandemic response team but that was a while ago and not really related to all this. He really downplayed this for weeks and put the idea in the heads of his supporters that it was no big deal. That was dangerous and we are still fighting it today. Just look at what’s going on in Mississippi
Ok, so the OP was a little off? We are good on ventilators? No committees being formed?
Im hoping so
I work in a large NYC hospital. I will try to write up my perspective at some point this weekend.
Not how I imagined my first post to be! @funkbott
I can agree with that, but I would not call that the biggest mismanagement of all time in office. Not even close. He is a president that tries to constantly boost morale and in turn our economy. That is kind of his thing. I am also not sure there is anything he could have done to prevent what is going on now. If you are truly going to fight things like this it takes multiple terms in office to create a system that will be ready. Expecting a president to hear about a new virus in China 6 months ahead of time, and to act, performing a full court shot miracle is not exactly fair.
But i agree, he should be very careful with his words at the beginning. His tweets and his interviews are sometimes less than ideal.
In my experience from having a lot of friends who are doctors and a wife that works in a hospital is that by and large the story from people on the front lines doesn’t square with what officials are telling the media.
It is either information lag or bending the facts or both.
It is either information lag or bending the facts or both.
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I’ve been wondering the same about the federal government. I’m sure you’re as indignant
I don’t think it was the biggest either. I wish someone would take his phone away.
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I think the federal governments proclamations on ventilators need to be taken with a grain of salt. As of today, sure there are probably barely enough ventilators to get by. If cases keep increasing though (which you have to assume they will), two weeks from now will be different. So it’s a bit of apples and oranges.
I’m guessing that’s why they haven’t shipped every ventilator in the stockpile to NYC, they know there will be other areas that will need them as well so are keeping some in reserve.
I’m guessing that’s why they haven’t shipped every ventilator in the stockpile to NYC, they know there will be other areas that will need them as well so are keeping some in reserve.
Well something has to be off. One or the other is not accurate. Birx is saying vents are available. I guess I could believe Birx is lying.
Either way something is off on this topic. Something has to be inaccurate. Apparently nobody knows what is going on, but everyone presents what they have heard as fact.
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i can’t really convince anyone to believe what i wrote above - I can only say that I’ve verified what I wrote and woke others type something on here if it weren’t true
How about transferring units from hospital locations which are more amply supplied? It’s a simple math balancing equation, no?
People on alll sides will bend over backwards before considering their side is lying.
I do believe the OP is correct. Read an article this morning with quotes from actual doctors in NYC that said two specific hospitals were out on ventilators and having to send patients to other hospitals
NYC may not be out, but certain hospitals are.
More upset with the Chinese government than our own (not saying ours is great), but what I really care more about is folks staying safe out in the world today. Prayers up for you and yours.
I set out above what he should have done. Multiple experts i started following on January 24th pushed incessantly for massive testing and tracing. See Eric Ding, Laurie Garrett, and Scott Gottlieb's twitter posts the past 2 months. I personally bought masks the first week of February merely looking at the experience of China and knowing we were not keeping out the virus. Quarantining would have been hugely unpopular for our politicians. Explaining that and taking the heat for it is called leadership.
